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Jamais Changeant Vice Captain
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 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:46 am
I know some people will gawk at this topic. Some people will probably be horribly offended, but just let me tell you my thoughts. Don't jump to conclusions just yet. I wrote a paper about this back in my Freshman University English class. We basically had to choose something that we felt passionate about and write several papers around that topic. My topic is addressed in a different debate, Deadbeat Dad's, but this particular thread is dedicated to my manifesto. In this paper we had to suggest something that required change and suggest how that change could happen. How does a birthing license relate to deadbeat dads? Think about it! If those children were never born in the first place there would be no deadbeats. If families who weren't ready to have kids were literally restricted from having kids...think of all the homeless children, the abused children, the children killed at their parents hands...that would never exist! A clip from my paper How do we solve the pro-life versus pro-choice debate? Cut out the issue entirely. We whine and moan over the state of the economy, but instead of going straight to the source we focus on a plethora of other, smaller issues. The real issue we need to discuss is American society’s inability to keep its legs shut! The real issue is that there are too many people in the world! What was my plan? I wont go into details...this post would be too long. Basically, I suggest something similar to a marriage license. For couples to be allowed to reproduce they would have to pass a series of tests that ensure that they are ready, capable, and willing to have a child. You're asking yourself a plethora of detail questions now, but I want to hear your thoughts at this point. What do you think about such a plan? Is it simply preposterous? I'll answer questions as they come.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:38 am
i agree with what your saying, about how maybe if we did have marriage license it would be better for all those children and family that are currently facing troubles because of this mess, but then a lot of things come into question. I'd assume the first and biggest problem would be that, people wouldn't want to have these because its like you would be taking away their freedom. I personally wouldn't want to go through a bunch of tests just to get married and to be able to have a child. I feel like it would invade our privacy. and i'm will to say a lot of people wouldn't want to do this too.
either way, this will still be a big cycle. It's not like we can create a 'utopia' where everything is fine and nothing can go wrong and everyone is living a day of peace. If we lived like that then there would be no point in living. It would basically be meaningless. I just have a question for you, it may be slightly personal and you don't have to answer this at all...these are just my thoughts and stuff like that. Do you treasure the happiness that you have now? Assuming you know how it feels to be abandoned by your father<
so basically i think a lot of the 'bad things' are actually needed, but if they could be solved after they happen, then that would be better.
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:12 pm
Very interesting topic, indeed O:
I totally understand what you mean and the whole idea is good,
but I'm not sure how exactly you could get it to work.
How could you stop people without a "child license" from having children?
Forced abortions? My guess is that people wouldn't take it seriously and
maybe even get provoked and make even more babies D:
The only way I can see it possible would be to help out parents with the
"child license" paper. Maybe a monthly paycheck or giftcard to toy shops,
childrens clothes, food, baby things etc.
This way, people who have money issues but really want a child could get
some help with their financial worries in taking care of a child
with the help of the "child license" paper.
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:13 am
Toothsie, where would that money come from?
I'm not picking at you it's just that your post is a good lead in for my point.I feel the need for a reproduction license would be so that people stop leaching from welfare and other assistance programs. Basically if you have two kids and are still unable or unwilling to help your SELF you shouldn't be allowed to breed. The concept of welfare is a beautiful thing, but like so very many systems it is exploited. I have actually heard people SAY they or their partner intentionally will not work so that they can keep getting that check. That is first hand information not just assumptions. If at all possible I would propose that welfare offices and other such are shut down, reevaluated and reopened with much more strict guidelines. Those who have abused them are no longer allowed to use these programs. There will be a lot of noise made about it but it is high time the free ride be over. People who would then say "but I have no way to feed my babies" would have their children taken away. It was irresponsible to have had that many children if unable to support them. As I've said earlier in this post, I understand that people sometimes need help. I am not heartless. My issue is with those who fail to realize that they need to help themselves. You can take a helping hand but you can't expect someone to HOLD your hand for the rest of your life. There are instances, rare indeed but they exist, in which generations of families subsidize. Quote: What was my plan? I wont go into details...this post would be too long. Basically, I suggest something similar to a marriage license. For couples to be allowed to reproduce they would have to pass a series of tests that ensure that they are ready, capable, and willing to have a child. I would support something like this. It is something that I already hold myself to. I have put restrictions on myself - that is I have not yet had children because I can not financially support them. It isn't only a money issue, but the finances or LACK OF are a large part.
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:27 pm
In theory, this is an excellent idea. In practice it would be nearly impossible. Some people would definitely try to follow this code, but others would just do what they want. How would this be tracked. And if a child was born without a paper it would be too traumatic for it to leave its parent. And even if you caught these children as they were born, and put them in an adoption center, where would these children go? It is a good idea, but one that would be nearly impossible to manage.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:45 pm
Would this system be similar to China's one-child policy? From what I know, I think they can keep track of most births. A license to reproduce would be least practical of all choices, IMO. But if there really is a license, instead of giving welfare and incentive to those who have the license, why not add additional tax or fees to pay for those who bears a child without the license? I think this will make them think twice before breaking the law. And it helps that we gain tax money to use for another more urgent reasons.
But before we go into this license thing.
There's a thing called contraception, people!
I think if the problem is that there are more births than desired, the first thing to do is to socialize the use of contraception more. We've already got the solution, why not use it? And if the government were really to control birth rate, they can make the hospitals perform sterilization (vasectomy and the like) on patients with records of having two babies or more. Something like that. Have them scour the suburbs, the countryside for couples over-breeding. (ugh.. bad word. xD)
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Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:26 am
Well, I do agree with your statement that one of America's( and many other countries for that matter) is over population.
The more poverty there will be with more population.
The idea is good, to have a license for reproduction.
But the problem is, there is a bit of a human rights issue with it. Like with abortion, and it would probably not make it through the senate.
But I mean, it is a valid idea.
And it WOULD stop a lot of the stuff you mentioned, hopefully.
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:07 pm
i agree with the idea of having a child lisence, but how would you legally enforce it?
would the take the baby away as soon as it was born if it's parents didn't have their papers?
or would they just give a heavy fine. and there are those who can't make it to the hospital.
and also i hate to go down this road but what about rape babies? they weren't planned or wanted some don't even decide if the want them until they are bor.
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