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 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:24 am
[It should be widely known by now (to any interested parties) that the show Degrassi: The Next Generation is a re-make of the shows Degrassi Junior High and Degrassi High, which aired in the 80's. The shows are Canadian creations. Now, Nickelodeon's "special interest" channel, The-N, (geared toward toddlers in the morning and early afternoon, then teens from late afternoon into the early morning), is showing many new teen dramas and is planning for the release of a slew of others in 2006, some of them products of America and some from Canada.
-Do you think these shows are really helpful to tweens and teens?
-Do you think parents watch these shows to try to make some sense out of what their kids are going through? (Why do they show debt-management/consolidation commercials during breaks in the show after midnight?)
-Have you ever watched these shows for guidance?
-Do you think they are realistic as far as characters, acting, scenarios, outcomes, consequences, etc?
-Do they do a good job of prtraying teens today?
-Which of the shows currently on do you like the most? (Degrassi: The Next Generation, South of Nowhere, Instant Star, etc.)
-Discuss anything else related.]
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:33 am
[I do watch Degrassi (the new chapter and the "old school" episodes). One of the things I don't like in the newer series is that in some of the characters' lowest moments, the show starts to seem fake. For example, when Manny gets drunk and decides to take off her top on-camera: she portrayed a drunken teen very badly. For one thing, after sitting at the bar drinking something (with no chaser) for what was made out to be a long time, she just hopped up out of the chair and skipped off with Peter (?), no wabbly legs or trying to balance herself or anything. rolleyes
And while on the subject of this character, it seems like most of the main characters have had sex. What's up with that? I'm sure it could happen, but showing that no one seems to be a virgin is a sure way to make young viewers feel more alienated and less like the makers of the show know how they feel. neutral ]
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:20 pm
I freakin' hate Degrassi!! i am so disgusted by the behavior of those damned kids, and i shudder to think that somewhere there are actual teens acting that way. damn whores and assholes, every one of them. the very few who aren't are so ineffectual, they might as well not be on the show.
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:23 pm
Kaenai I freakin' hate Degrassi!! i am so disgusted by the behavior of those damned kids, and i shudder to think that somewhere there are actual teens acting that way. damn whores and assholes, every one of them. the very few who aren't are so ineffectual, they might as well not be on the show. [I think they meant well, the creators of the new show. Did you not like the original Degrassi either? I think the "old school" episodes are more realistic than the ones for the new generation, ironically. I know that there are kids out there that are like them in some ways; who behave like them and talk like them to an extent. I think they emphasize the "whores and assholes" part because it's still a show, and shows need good ratings. To get good ratings these days, most shows throw in as much drama as they can. Promiscuity and haughtiness are at the height of drama. 3nodding ]
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:41 am
Passion_Dragon Kaenai I freakin' hate Degrassi!! i am so disgusted by the behavior of those damned kids, and i shudder to think that somewhere there are actual teens acting that way. damn whores and assholes, every one of them. the very few who aren't are so ineffectual, they might as well not be on the show. [I think they meant well, the creators of the new show. Did you not like the original Degrassi either? I think the "old school" episodes are more realistic than the ones for the new generation, ironically. I know that there are kids out there that are like them in some ways; who behave like them and talk like them to an extent. I think they emphasize the "whores and assholes" part because it's still a show, and shows need good ratings. To get good ratings these days, most shows throw in as much drama as they can. Promiscuity and haughtiness are at the height of drama. 3nodding ] yeah, i know, and i get it... *sigh* i just wish that they'd consider that not everyone who watches the show is going to be 14-15 or whatever. lots of the kids are younger than that. they see a 'grown-up' style show that's made for kids, and they want to watch it, too. i don't let my daughter watch, but some parents aren't going to monitor like that, and that's not good for anyone. i guess no one ever said tv producers were responsible. they slap a rating in the upper corner, and call it a day. stressed
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:19 pm
Eh, I used to watch it. Lately, it's been getting...raunchy. I mean, JT and Liberty having a baby? I stopped watching when they started focusing on Marco, and seeing what had happened in such a short time was surprising.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:56 pm
Pentium 6.0 Eh, I used to watch it. Lately, it's been getting...raunchy. I mean, JT and Liberty having a baby? I stopped watching when they started focusing on Marco, and seeing what had happened in such a short time was surprising.
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[@ Kenai: I wish they took that into consideration, too. Not all the audience is going to fall into their definition of what the "target audience" should be. Just like Seventeen Magazine: most of the readers are between 11 and 14, even though the content is still geared toward 16 and 17 year olds. Last I saw, they were even printing the words "b***h" and "a**" in that magazine.
I think the makers of anything geared toward teens overestimate the protectiveness of a lot of parents. They expect the parents to "allow" their kids to watch/read this media at the parent's discretion. Not alway the case of course.]
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:15 pm
I've never even heard of Degrassi crying
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:05 pm
Ack, I despise that show.It's so un realistic to teen life. Then again, i'm pretty well behaved and have great friends, none of them do drugs or anything so I might not be very up to date with how bad teens these days are. The only show I watch on Noggin is the Fresh Prince, love that show biggrin
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:19 pm
Mesatsu_Gouki Ack, I despise that show.It's so un realistic to teen life. Then again, i'm pretty well behaved and have great friends, none of them do drugs or anything so I might not be very up to date with how bad teens these days are. The only show I watch on Noggin is the Fresh Prince, love that show biggrin [In my opinion it's not as "unrealistic" as it may be "exaggerrated." 3nodding Degrassi only has a half hour each Friday (for new episodes) to show you the cause and effect of one choice. So they try to stuff the show full of as many trials and tribulations as they can. I think thought that sometimes the show is too gloomy. No one seems to ever have a good day or a good time, unless of course there is something bad tied to it.
Example: Sure, Jimmy had a good time touring the art exhibit with Ellie, BUT as a result, he was late to his basketball tryouts and the coach and his father were pissed.
Sure, teens make mistakes. But that's not all life is. Getting busted doing this or that, having the trial of your life, making a fool of yourself....that's not all there is to life, and it gets a little depressing how DeGrassi seems to show the bad side of everything all the time. Those kids, their lives SUCK. Existing is difficult, but most of the time, the nerdiest, sluttiest, stupidest, rudest kid is going to have a good day at least once...! 3nodding
PS I love the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I've watched the series from the first episode to the last at least 3 times. xd (Not all at once, and just by watching it on regular TV, because I never recorded it or bought videos or DVDs.)]
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:41 pm
Passion_Dragon Mesatsu_Gouki Ack, I despise that show.It's so un realistic to teen life. Then again, i'm pretty well behaved and have great friends, none of them do drugs or anything so I might not be very up to date with how bad teens these days are. The only show I watch on Noggin is the Fresh Prince, love that show biggrin [In my opinion it's not as "unrealistic" as it may be "exaggerrated." 3nodding Degrassi only has a half hour each Friday (for new episodes) to show you the cause and effect of one choice. So they try to stuff the show full of as many trials and tribulations as they can. I think thought that sometimes the show is too gloomy. No one seems to ever have a good day or a good time, unless of course there is something bad tied to it.
Example: Sure, Jimmy had a good time touring the art exhibit with Ellie, BUT as a result, he was late to his basketball tryouts and the coach and his father were pissed.
Sure, teens make mistakes. But that's not all life is. Getting busted doing this or that, having the trial of your life, making a fool of yourself....that's not all there is to life, and it gets a little depressing how DeGrassi seems to show the bad side of everything all the time. Those kids, their lives SUCK. Existing is difficult, but most of the time, the nerdiest, sluttiest, stupidest, rudest kid is going to have a good day at least once...! 3nodding
PS I love the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. I've watched the series from the first episode to the last at least 3 times. xd (Not all at once, and just by watching it on regular TV, because I never recorded it or bought videos or DVDs.)] Well said. If they stopped all the constant drama people would lose interest in the show though, that's just what kids want these days.
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:42 pm
Eh... I've watched it a few times... one were Marco told his parents he was gay... and then another when the boy pushed his girlfriend or whatever down and she hit her head on a rock. rolleyes
It just seemed like there was too much drama in one school... then I look at mine... ha. It seems like they are trying to touch on every barrier a teenager might face in high school... I don't know... it doesn't appeal to me as much as it does to my friends.
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:01 pm
i find myself wanting to beat the hell out of most of the characters....so i tend not to watch that show
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:55 pm
Disruptive Eh... I've watched it a few times... one were Marco told his parents he was gay... and then another when the boy pushed his girlfriend or whatever down and she hit her head on a rock. rolleyes
It just seemed like there was too much drama in one school... then I look at mine... ha. It seems like they are trying to touch on every barrier a teenager might face in high school... I don't know... it doesn't appeal to me as much as it does to my friends. [That's what I was saying...Sometimes in the effort to make the show as real as possible it becomes unreal that so much drama goes down. But I bet if you took an intimate look at the lives of a small group of kids who stand out in the school, it would be similar to a degree. surprised ]
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:58 pm
Black_Ronin i find myself wanting to beat the hell out of most of the characters....so i tend not to watch that show [Aggression issues? xd
Just kidding. It's quite natural to want to beat some sense into people when they seem to act so ignorant...But I give the writers credit: I haven't seen one character who doesn't have a "redeeming" quality. None of the characters are bad to the core; so unspeakably evil that there's no way that a normal person could relate to them. 3nodding ]
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