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Angel of the Doctor

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:33 pm


Now...let's just say that I haven't seen all Master episodes, so I might be wrong.
From what I've seen, it seems that a Doctor/Master relationship is possible.
For the Pertwee era, it looked like their battles and adventures were more like games. The Doctor would play, and the Master would like to get his attention.
For the fourth doctor...there wasn't really anything. Yes, the Master was there and they fought against each other...but there wasn't any love connection, which is sad. sad
For the fifth Doctor, the master was only in a couple of episodes.
The first was Castrovala, which had Doc with amnesia. The master was taking care of him, giving him hints as to who he was/is.
He might be bringing him up to smash him down, but I think he really cares about him.
The second episode has the Master grow from really tiny and die. And 5 just watches in a stoical manner.
That doesn't mean there isn't anything there.
For the sixth doctor, even tho master was there, it was more Rani's time than the masters.
For the seventh, there wasn't much their, either. Just hero vs. villain again.
For eighth, again, hero vs. villain.
The Master doesn't do it with anyone else...unless they are pawns.
He likes to use Earth a lot, just to get Doc's attention.
He makes life-changing situations, to make the Doctor come to him.
He has done it A LOT of times.
The main reason he does it is to GET HIS ATTENTION.
Geez, does the Master want this guy or what?
Now, I might be wrong. It seems in the new series, there isn't any games anymore for the Doc. He seems to have lost that. Just hero vs. villain.
But, there is still a connection...not just b/c the Master is the only timelord left.
Even I know that's not true.
For one thing, they are MORE than friends...
Does anyone agree? If so...can anyone make it a little more clearer?
And if possible, can someone make a NAME for the relationship?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:38 am


I would say friends/rivals

But no romantic stuff...that's just yaoi... xp

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Angel of the Doctor

PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:52 am


Defender_Of_Earth_Rose
I would say friends/rivals

But no romantic stuff...that's just yaoi... xp

You make a point....
They are friends, b/c 7 even says so in one audio book!
They are rivals...b/c they disagree on most things...
I'm not refering to YAOI stuff *even though I LOVE yaoi*
I'm refering to REALLY REALLY liking each other that they won't leave one another.
Do you know what I mean?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:04 pm


Wow. When you get to the point where you can't even look at two friends (or even enemies...) of the SAME gender without seeing romance, you need to reevaluate your life. They are archenemies. It happens in fantasy stories a lot. The hero will have an enemy (or just rival) who can match him (only not really, since the hero still always wins). This enemy will keep coming back because the interaction between the two is interesting to the fans as something different from the "new baddie every week" thing that normally happens. This doesn't mean they LUV each other. rolleyes

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Angel of the Doctor

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:45 pm


Eruravenne
Wow. When you get to the point where you can't even look at two friends (or even enemies...) of the SAME gender without seeing romance, you need to reevaluate your life. They are archenemies. It happens in fantasy stories a lot. The hero will have an enemy (or just rival) who can match him (only not really, since the hero still always wins). This enemy will keep coming back because the interaction between the two is interesting to the fans as something different from the "new baddie every week" thing that normally happens. This doesn't mean they LUV each other. rolleyes

Seesh! Just because you don't like fandom relationships doesn't mean you have to hurt OUR feelings! mad
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:10 am


Well, I'm sorry but I have become so sick and tired of hearing about "Oh, So-and-so should totally get together with This-person because they totally looked at each other once and it was SOOOOO obvious that they LUUUUVVVV each other!" or "OMG these two people are always running into each other various plot related reasons, so that must mean they want to have sex!"

It seems like shippers can pick any two random people, regardless of their established relationship (or lack thereof) and make up some reason why they should date each other. It just gets real old, real fast and it seems more like they are trying to make their own perverted fantasies seem justified.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:44 am


Is there a possibility they are brothers/cousins?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:28 pm


Eruravenne
Well, I'm sorry but I have become so sick and tired of hearing about "Oh, So-and-so should totally get together with This-person because they totally looked at each other once and it was SOOOOO obvious that they LUUUUVVVV each other!" or "OMG these two people are always running into each other various plot related reasons, so that must mean they want to have sex!"

It seems like shippers can pick any two random people, regardless of their established relationship (or lack thereof) and make up some reason why they should date each other. It just gets real old, real fast and it seems more like they are trying to make their own perverted fantasies seem justified.

I'm not saying that! There wasn't a moment where the Doc and the Master had a love connection...
But, it looks like they are friends...Maybe they can be more.
This isn't two random people. I know those types of people who do it on two RANDOM characters. This isn't it!
You keep breaking my heart.... crying

Angel of the Doctor


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:31 pm


Fiona_Gryphin
Is there a possibility they are brothers/cousins?

Well....I don't think so.
They never said they were brothers/cousins. They act more like friends than relatives.
But...it doesn't say they aren't related. So...you might be right.
It would make sense why the Master keeps playing games with JUST the Doctor.
But the chances are VERY low.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:19 pm


No... Remember how Martha mentioned the Master being the Doctor's long lost brother and he told her she'd been watching too much TV or something like that? They aren't brothers.

And I believe this quote is from your original post:

"For the fourth doctor...there wasn't really anything. Yes, the Master was there and they fought against each other...but there wasn't any love connection, which is sad."

And this:

"Geez, does the Master want this guy or what?"

So you really can't blame me for thinking that's exactly what you meant.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:48 pm


Now now girls. I do agree with the "not liking eachother so give reasons for yaoi" But that gives us no reason to be mean to each other. We all like Doctor who. But I think Jack/Ianto should be the only yaoi we get.

I never pictured Time Lords to be well...yaoi with eachother. Trying to picture the 5th Doctor and goutie Master making out just make my mind bleed at the thought. Although the way it was written at the end of the third season did kinda make the Doctor look sorta yaoi for the Master I believe that it was an act of sheer desperation for the companionship of another Time Lord.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:20 pm


Angel of the Doctor
I'm not saying that! There wasn't a moment where the Doc and the Master had a love connection...
But, it looks like they are friends...Maybe they can be more.
This isn't two random people. I know those types of people who do it on two RANDOM characters. This isn't it!
You keep breaking my heart.... crying


They are civil towards each other. It's the saying, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". They are not buddy-buddy friends who meet up at the pub for a drink and swap stories. The Master is canonically a recurring villain/rival of the Doctor who can match his intelligence and wit -- a nice change from the Bang Shoot Kill Destroy methods of the Daleks or Cybermen.

Three: "We're best enemies." (or something like that from The Five Doctors)

The Master is, for lack of a more descriptive term, evil. Examples: he has stolen bodies to survive past his 13-regeneration limit, (including when he chose to kill/steal the body of a loved one of another character ON PURPOSE), kills people with no remorse whatsoever, by various means (notably when he gassed the PM Cabinet in the new series and laughs about it).

I think new fans (a friend of mine is a prime example of this) who are only familiar with the S3 Master don't realize the extent of his character and background. The new series Master was made to counteract the hyper personality of Ten and as a result, IMHO, became far more likable than he would ordinarily be -- I still have no clue why my friend inexplicably likes the S3 Master. I went back to some Classic Who episodes with the Master to get a better feel of his personality and I prefer the toned-down, sinister Master (however camp he may seem sometimes).

A random character pairing would actually make more sense than Doctor/Master. (Not counting Jack/anyone, for obvious reasons. rolleyes ) The Master seems akin to Daleks in villain status. Doctor Who's high-ranking villains tend to not get the love interests unless it's through force/mind control/general deceit/shared evil tendencies (Lucy in S3 comes to mind).

The Doctor is opposed to basically everything the Master stands for.

The Doctor only cares about the Master to the extent that they are the last of their kind and therefore if the Master dies, the Doctor is truly alone in the universe, which is pretty depressing -- and also completely understandable. As Defender put it, "an act of sheer desperation for the companionship of another Time Lord".

An example of how this wouldn't work is Trillian and Arthur Dent from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: They are the last two humans on earth, after finding out their planet went KABOOM for a senseless reason. The reason that an Arthur/Trillian relationship makes sense while a Doctor/Master one doesn't is because the first two share such things as a sense of morality and decency, and neither of them turn into a sociopath with a kink for world domination.

As to why "the Master keeps playing games with JUST the Doctor":
1. They're both brilliant geniuses-- but only one has a working conscience.
2. The Master and the Doctor are both Timelords -- they went to the same "school" and share memories of their home and culture -- it's a lot easier to push the buttons of someone you know rather well than a complete stranger.
3. He's not going to start playing mind games with the Daleks or anything, because we all know that's rather stupid.
4. I may very well be the first one here to vocalize this, but I'm calling it out: the Doctor and the Master are akin to Batman and the Joker. Think about it, and then tell me how a Batman/Joker relationship would work. (Hint: it wouldn't.)
5. The Master put the Doctor in pain and made him completely helpless and then forced him to watch the Toclofane swarm down to the planet he holds so dear, and then kill people. Just because he can.
6. Anyone who is willing to die rather than regenerate purely to spite the other person does not care about that other person in any way, shape or form. That's about as cruel as you can get. AND you die. Value of life clearly isn't on the top of his list, even if it's his own. -- Unless he planned the whole thing and will be back, but even Jack doesn't like voluntarily dying/reviving unless it's completely necessary.

The difference between Jack/Ianto and Master/Doctor, other than the "one of these things is not like the other" game, is that one consists of a rather loving relationship (even if it tends to go one-sided) that is clearly shown as such. I'm not going to use the one-is-canon-and-one-isn't angle because that's clearly not a basis for a relationship in this argument.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but what you're talking about sounds like hate!sex between them (it sounds like what it is, guys) and there's more than enough fanfic sites to go around if you want that sort of thing.

I just wouldn't expect to see a lot of Master/Doctor shippers in mainstream DW fandom. Unless it's an AW THEY'RE CUTE LET'S SHIP THEM group (never a good basis for a relationship) or a We're Doing This For The Lulz group that doesn't actually take itself seriously (ie: Caramelldansen and other silly crack-induced versions that make most people laugh and/or facepalm).


*finishes kicking the dead horse and sits down*

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:45 pm


@Defender: I'm not TRYING to be mean... In fact, I'm trying pretty hard NOT to be mean.. but I am having an admittedly hard time with that. -_-;;

*hugs Ceribri* Sorry, I couldn't help it. You explained it so much better than me.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:45 pm


Eruravenne
No... Remember how Martha mentioned the Master being the Doctor's long lost brother and he told her she'd been watching too much TV or something like that? They aren't brothers.

And I believe this quote is from your original post:

"For the fourth doctor...there wasn't really anything. Yes, the Master was there and they fought against each other...but there wasn't any love connection, which is sad."

And this:

"Geez, does the Master want this guy or what?"

So you really can't blame me for thinking that's exactly what you meant.

All right, all right. I'm sorry if I gave you a misinterpretation. sad

Angel of the Doctor


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:46 pm


Defender_Of_Earth_Rose
Now now girls. I do agree with the "not liking eachother so give reasons for yaoi" But that gives us no reason to be mean to each other. We all like Doctor who. But I think Jack/Ianto should be the only yaoi we get.

I never pictured Time Lords to be well...yaoi with eachother. Trying to picture the 5th Doctor and goutie Master making out just make my mind bleed at the thought. Although the way it was written at the end of the third season did kinda make the Doctor look sorta yaoi for the Master I believe that it was an act of sheer desperation for the companionship of another Time Lord.

Hmmm...you're right.
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