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What gun has the best overall value?
  The SKS (≈300$)
  The M1 Carbine (≈900$)
  The AR-15 (≈700$)
  Other (Please specify. Must fire an intermediate cartridge and be semi-automatic.)
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Shrantic

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:00 pm


Yeah, so I'm thinking of getting an SKS with a 16" barrel instead of an AR-15 because, well, it's cheaper. A lot cheaper. But, I'd like to know some things about it first-

How does its cartridge (7.62x39mm) compare to the M1's? (.30 Carbine)
Is it accurate to at least 200 yards? (With a 16" barrel)
Is the ammo commonly corrosive? (I WILL NOT buy it if it has corrosive ammo. I don't think x39 is corrosive, but I want to be on the safe side.)
Are the Chinese SKS's well-built? I'm always on edge with products from China. Especially one that could kill me if it malfunctions.
Are the sights any good? If not, are they inexpensive and easy to replace?
How much, on average, does x39 cost?
If I fire a few rounds into a deer, will it kill it? This is somewhat important because I've been wondering if I could just use an intermediate caliber such as the x39 and fire 3-5 shots instead of using the .30-06 we have, which isn't too accurate.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:05 pm


I think the milsurp x39 is corrosive. I think.

I do know that the lake city .30 Carbine ammunition is non-corrosive.

Also,
$900 for an M1 Carbine?

Buying from a shop?

http://www.thecmp.org/m1carbine.htm

Get Service Grade, rack grade is near the death of the barrel or unshootable.


Is isn't very difficult to be able to get stuff from them the biggest thing is being 21.

http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm


While it may take a couple months to get your order in and have it shipped you'll have about $300 to spend on ammo.

If and when you do an order, have a couple selections of makes, in case they sell out of the one.

Just looked, they sold out of mags. sad

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Shrantic

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:16 pm


Actually, I'd rather not get the M1 Carbine, I'd just like it as a comparative to the SKS and the AR-15. I know the AR-15 is more accurate and has a larger magazine, but has a less powerful cartridge. However, I do not know how the cartridge of the SKS measures up to a .30 Carbine, and I'd like something either extremely similar or slightly less powerful. (Because .30 Carbine is hard to come by 'round here and x39 is generally cheaper.)

I'm weening off the AR-15 because it's so damn expensive, despite the fact that I want it much, much more than either the SKS or the M1.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:24 pm


I don't know much about their workings but i say the Carbine is about the funnest to shoot out of the 3.
:/

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OberFeldwebel

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:24 pm


Shrantic
Actually, I'd rather not get the M1 Carbine, I'd just like it as a comparative to the SKS and the AR-15. I know the AR-15 is more accurate and has a larger magazine, but has a less powerful cartridge. However, I do not know how the cartridge of the SKS measures up to a .30-30, and I'd like something either extremely similar or slightly less powerful. (Because .30-30 is hard to come by 'round here and x39 is generally cheaper.)

I'm weening off the AR-15 because it's so damn expensive, despite the fact that I want it much, much more than either the SKS or the M1.



Oh.


Well, either of the rifles have pros and cons that pretty much level them off in a way.

I thought 5.56 was pretty easy to come by.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:29 pm


Im going to skedaddle.
G'night. ;D

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Shrantic

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:43 pm


zombie ll chan
I don't know much about their workings but i say the Carbine is about the funnest to shoot out of the 3.
:/
They're all carbines. neutral
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:48 pm


OberFeldwebel
Shrantic
Actually, I'd rather not get the M1 Carbine, I'd just like it as a comparative to the SKS and the AR-15. I know the AR-15 is more accurate and has a larger magazine, but has a less powerful cartridge. However, I do not know how the cartridge of the SKS measures up to a .30-30, and I'd like something either extremely similar or slightly less powerful. (Because .30-30 is hard to come by 'round here and x39 is generally cheaper.)

I'm weening off the AR-15 because it's so damn expensive, despite the fact that I want it much, much more than either the SKS or the M1.



Oh.


Well, either of the rifles have pros and cons that pretty much level them off in a way.

I thought 5.56 was pretty easy to come by.
.223 is pretty easy to come by, actually. But the cheapest AR-15 I can find costs $650, and even then, .223 is more expensive than x39. Also, the SKS I'm looking at is in Excellent condition, has a 16" barrel, (pretty uncommon) includes a 20 round magazine, and comes with an extra stock. (Looks plastic, has a pistol grip) And it's all for $350. Sounds like a pretty damn good deal, if you ask me. But, I'm not completely sure.

If you can, try to answer my questions in the OP. Those'll decide if I'm getting an SKS or not.

Shrantic


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:30 pm


The SKS is going to be your best value overall. Just be insistent on a careful examination of the barrel. If it's too worn or too dirty, don't spend a dime on it. Do a google search on the Cheaper Than Dirt! mail order house and buy a scope mount for it from them that won't damage the gun.

I was walking around the so-called gun library (AKA the fancy used gun boutique) at Cabela's and they had five M1 Carbines for sale with fantastic stocks and finish, and some contract versions from a famous typewriter company that were a bit worn, but not out of line for the period.

Not one of them cost more than $700, and looked worlds better than the garbage that Big 5 was selling for $1000 six months ago.

I've never been a fan of the M 16/AR 15 because of the carbon fouling that comes with the gas operation of the bolt. Too much work to keep clean. Now, a piston driven bolt on an AR 15 variant like the new Ruger SR556 or the H&K MR556 gives you the best of all worlds. But they cost way too much for your budget.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:24 pm


The M1 Carbine is not chambered in .30-30 mad

It's chambered in .30 Carbine.
Which is as cheap as most pistol rounds, when you find it.

And boy are your prices f'ed up.

You can get M1 Carbines for ~500. I got mine, with 150 rounds of ammo and three mags, as well as a full course in care and operations for $600.

I can't find and AR for less than $800.


Yeah, lots of places are low on .30 Carbine. Whoopity-do, save up and order in bulk. That extra $300 to spend on ammo (and mags) makes a big difference, since ordering in bulk increases the chance of getting the ammo on time.
Here's several sources.
Bulk: (not the best prices I've seen)
Remington UMC from Cabelas
Wolf FMJ (the cheap s**t) from Cabelas
By-the-box from Cheaper Than Dirt
Wolf-by-the-box, bad price

And then, there is Gunbroker, with lots and lots of configurations for ordering ammo, mostly in bulk.

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uryu ishida

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:29 pm


Shrantic

How does its cartridge (7.62x39mm) compare to the M1's? (.30-30)
Is it accurate to at least 200 yards? (With a 16" barrel)
Is the ammo commonly corrosive? (I WILL NOT buy it if it has corrosive ammo. I don't think x39 is corrosive, but I want to be on the safe side.)
Are the Chinese SKS's well-built? I'm always on edge with products from China. Especially one that could kill me if it malfunctions.
Are the sights any good? If not, are they inexpensive and easy to replace?
How much, on average, does x39 cost?
If I fire a few rounds into a deer, will it kill it? This is somewhat important because I've been wondering if I could just use an intermediate caliber such as the x39 and fire 3-5 shots instead of using the .30-06 we have, which isn't too accurate.

The M1 is in .30 Carbine. .30 Carbine has the muzzle energy that .357MAG has at the muzzle at 200 yards. People hunt with .357MAG.
.30-30WIN still has more muzzle energy than that, and more than x39.

The SKS isn't exactly very accurate. And the sights rather suck. I find them to sit quite a bit low.
Depends on what you buy. Some surplus can be. I don't believe ANY new-production is (that goes for any caliber).
Depends. hit or miss.
No, you should not do that. One, most states have a magazine capacity limit for hunting, and two it's not the most humane way to do it. If a bolt-action .30-06 isn't accurate, a semi-automatic x39 isn't going to be either. You could probably find a good bolt-action .30-06 for cheap used. REALLY cheap.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:34 pm


uryu ishida
The M1 Carbine is not chambered in .30-30 mad
Sorry, my mistake. >.>

Shrantic


uryu ishida

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:36 pm


Shrantic
OberFeldwebel
Shrantic
Actually, I'd rather not get the M1 Carbine, I'd just like it as a comparative to the SKS and the AR-15. I know the AR-15 is more accurate and has a larger magazine, but has a less powerful cartridge. However, I do not know how the cartridge of the SKS measures up to a .30-30, and I'd like something either extremely similar or slightly less powerful. (Because .30-30 is hard to come by 'round here and x39 is generally cheaper.)

I'm weening off the AR-15 because it's so damn expensive, despite the fact that I want it much, much more than either the SKS or the M1.



Oh.


Well, either of the rifles have pros and cons that pretty much level them off in a way.

I thought 5.56 was pretty easy to come by.
.223 is pretty easy to come by, actually. But the cheapest AR-15 I can find costs $650, and even then, .223 is more expensive than x39. Also, the SKS I'm looking at is in Excellent condition, has a 16" barrel, (pretty uncommon) includes a 20 round magazine, and comes with an extra stock. (Looks plastic, has a pistol grip) And it's all for $350. Sounds like a pretty damn good deal, if you ask me. But, I'm not completely sure.

If you can, try to answer my questions in the OP. Those'll decide if I'm getting an SKS or not.
The SKS was not designed to work with external magazines, and they don't work well with them. Tapcoshit is s**t.
It wouldn't surprise me if the barrel was chopped, which would really ******** accuracy HARD.

Also, looking at the lower-priced offerings on Gunbroker, it's entirely possible that something is HORRIBLY wrong with it. And I think I found said package. It doesn't look like it comes with the original, working magazine.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:41 pm


uryu ishida
Shrantic

How does its cartridge (7.62x39mm) compare to the M1's? (.30-30)
Is it accurate to at least 200 yards? (With a 16" barrel)
Is the ammo commonly corrosive? (I WILL NOT buy it if it has corrosive ammo. I don't think x39 is corrosive, but I want to be on the safe side.)
Are the Chinese SKS's well-built? I'm always on edge with products from China. Especially one that could kill me if it malfunctions.
Are the sights any good? If not, are they inexpensive and easy to replace?
How much, on average, does x39 cost?
If I fire a few rounds into a deer, will it kill it? This is somewhat important because I've been wondering if I could just use an intermediate caliber such as the x39 and fire 3-5 shots instead of using the .30-06 we have, which isn't too accurate.

The M1 is in .30 Carbine. .30 Carbine has the muzzle energy that .357MAG has at the muzzle at 200 yards. People hunt with .357MAG.
.20-20WIN still has more muzzle energy than that, and more than x39.
Damn. Is there any good intermediate cartridge that can take down a deer easily?
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The SKS isn't exactly very accurate. And the sights rather suck. I find them to sit quite a bit low.
Can they be replaced easily?
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Depends on what you buy. Some surplus can be. I don't believe ANY new-production is (that goes for any caliber).
Yeah, I just wanted to be sure.
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Depends. hit or miss.
Is this a hit?
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No, you should not do that. One, most states have a magazine capacity limit for hunting, and two it's not the most humane way to do it. If a bolt-action .30-06 isn't accurate, a semi-automatic x39 isn't going to be either. You could probably find a good bolt-action .30-06 for cheap used. REALLY cheap.
We've got a semi-automatic .30-06. Also, I don't want ANOTHER damn high-powered rifle. That's really all we have, (besides .22 and shotguns) except for the .35 Rem which kicks like a .30-06 because of its size.

Also, in terms of accuracy, could an SKS hit a pie plate at 200 yards?

Shrantic


Shrantic

PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:43 pm


...The people who own the SKS I'm looking at have the same carpet as me. @_@
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