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 Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:30 pm
So it's been said that Paganism (in the general sense), has been much more accepting of the gay, lesbian, bi and transsexual community compaired to the more common, monotheistic religions. The term 'out of the broom closet' is being used to describe those who are open about their Pagan beleifs, just as the phrase 'out of the closet' is being used to refer to those who are openly gay and lesbian. Do you consider this to mean being GLBT and being Pagan are one in the same? Yes, 'coming out' to family and friends, no matter which 'closet' you're in can be a difficult, life-altering decision, but should the two really be compaired to each other? Also, to those who are GLBT Pagans: did one decision influence the other? Is (would) your family (be) more accepting of one choice over the other?
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:16 pm
I don't think the two are directly related. I think people drawn to, or willing to explore, less "traditional" religions and spiritualities would also be more likely to reject "traditional" views of homosexuality.
But there is still homophobia within Paganism. Some Asatruar are rabidly anti-gay - I've met one such person. Gardner himself wasn't fond of homosexuals. (Although admittedly, yes, this was the 50s, so nothing particularly surprising there.)
But then again, to be fair, there's nothing within Pagan sacred texts (that I know of) that could be taken to instruct one to disapprove of homosexual actions. But there is in the monotheistic religions. They have a concrete reason for their dislike when it comes to their religious views.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:24 pm
well they are the same when it comes to not being very accepted by others openly. (at least were i'm from) so i guess your stepping out of a closet both ways, although i can't really say much more though cause i'm still living in my closet unfortunately. my whole family's a bunch of christians and also homophobic. so i'm not exactly very keen on telling them of my belief's or my sexuality. xp
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:36 pm
being a homosexual I would have to say my pagan friends seem to be the most accepting and the swiftest to get to that point. I see the connection of the 2 closets as a LGBT person, and have to say they are both similar in difficulty in telling others. Although, religion is a hard thing to talk about with people outside of your religious group either way. I have to say I am flattered by the connection, but the two are 100% not related. My being gay is not because I'm a pagan, and the opposed. Even though it is a more accepting religion, I would expect religions, such as wicca, to be opposed to same sex relations, because the core of their religion is based on a balance between man and woman, and the fertility of that union.
Let me end by stating that I feel in no way what so ever the mild connection made between the two closets is a bad thing. Both need support in the modern society, and that is where the idea I believe id derived from. They are both, often, closeted from the public.
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:41 pm
zabazor Even though it is a more accepting religion, I would expect religions, such as wicca, to be opposed to same sex relations, because the core of their religion is based on a balance between man and woman, and the fertility of that union. In my experience, individual Wiccans generally have no problem with it. There are gay Wiccans. They say that the man-woman interaction is a part of the ritual, though, and that if you're not comfortable with sexual contact with the opposite sex, this is what will prevent you being a Wiccan, not your sexual orientation. ^_^
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:29 pm
i am a gay druid and i iddn't even associate them to be related at all.
mind you in many cultures around the worl gay people are seen as very spiritual, native americans highly reguarded them.
and in ancient greece it was abnormal to be fully "hetero" most men had a male lover because he could relate emotionally and a wife to pro-create (as a generalization, i am sure alot married for love)
but i have spoken to a few glbt pagans and they say that they are pagan because it is diffrent.
i feel this not wrong because you just wanna seem cool, you don't actually believe in any of it.
i am not saying that is all of them but some that i gave met.
one thing i have noticed but is alot of fat people are new age and it seems they are that way because they are not accepted socialy so they find something that makes them "diffrent" and "cool" and is sort of the same principal.
(i know druid and pagan are not the same but you catch my drift)
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:53 am
xXrainbowrazorsXx i am a gay druid and i iddn't even associate them to be related at all. Rainbow, it's not appropriate to claim the title "druid" in this guild wink Quote: one thing i have noticed but is alot of fat people are new age and it seems they are that way because they are not accepted socialy so they find something that makes them "diffrent" and "cool" and is sort of the same principal. Interesting idea. I used to frequent covenspace and it used to surprise me how many members were overweight. I always assumed it was because so many of them were American xd Statistically I'm unsure whether the number of overweight people who are Pagan is significant, or whether you just tend to see them more. You may well be right.
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:32 am
The two are related in that being a Pagan and being a Lesbian are two factors that make me who I am, so they're entwined but not the same thing. Of course, I think one of the things that first drew me to Paganism is how accepting of a religion it tends to be. And I would say that both coming outs seemed to feel exactly the same: it was easy to come out as a Pagan and a Lesbian to those who would accept me for both, and difficult coming out to those I knew would hate me for both. Though, I think it was easier to come out as a Lesbian than as a Pagan for me. Everyone understood that being gay wasn't a choice for me, so they were generally more accepting of it. But being a Pagan is a choice, and it's a choice not everyone understands.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:57 pm
Sanguina But there is in the monotheistic religions. They have a concrete reason for their dislike when it comes to their religious views. Actually, there is an interesting debate that this is not so. I don't know how much involvement you have with Abrahamic faiths, but you might find this to be an interesting read. Looky here.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:15 pm
ecko-san Sanguina But there is in the monotheistic religions. They have a concrete reason for their dislike when it comes to their religious views. Actually, there is an interesting debate that this is not so. I don't know how much involvement you have with Abrahamic faiths, but you might find this to be an interesting read. Looky here.Oh I know, I didn't say that their reasons were correct, just that they had them.
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