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 Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:46 pm
There is a lot of controversy between religions, on the stance on Halloween. So i am curious... Are you celebrating Halloween in real life or not?
Please state why or why not.
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:05 pm
I celebrate Halloween. I like candy, I like to have an excuse to cosplay, and parties all around!!! blaugh
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:05 pm
I'm celebrating it. It's a Christian holiday and it's the time when the saints (people that Tradition confirms to be in heaven) are believed to be among the living. This would be the most ideal time for to commune with my Brothers and Sisters that have entered the Kingdom. It is also a time when false spirits arise so we dress up to "confuse and scare" the false spirits away from us because those that are with God (the saints) cannot be scared or confused.
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:10 am
rmcdra I'm celebrating it. It's a Christian holiday and it's the time when the saints (people that Tradition confirms to be in heaven) are believed to be among the living. This would be the most ideal time for to commune with my Brothers and Sisters that have entered the Kingdom. It is also a time when false spirits arise so we dress up to "confuse and scare" the false spirits away from us because those that are with God (the saints) cannot be scared or confused. I always viewed it as an American holiday more than anything. Since other countries didnt start really acknowledging it until the mid-90's. Either way, I wont be celebrating. Most other Muslims in America dont either. We prefer to put more emphasis on our little holidays ;P
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:42 am
Call Me Apple rmcdra I'm celebrating it. It's a Christian holiday and it's the time when the saints (people that Tradition confirms to be in heaven) are believed to be among the living. This would be the most ideal time for to commune with my Brothers and Sisters that have entered the Kingdom. It is also a time when false spirits arise so we dress up to "confuse and scare" the false spirits away from us because those that are with God (the saints) cannot be scared or confused. I always viewed it as an American holiday more than anything. Since other countries didnt start really acknowledging it until the mid-90's. Either way, I wont be celebrating. Most other Muslims in America dont either. We prefer to put more emphasis on our little holidays ;P True there is the secular and cultural celebrating of Halloween. All Saints' Day has been around much longer than the secular celebration of All Hallows' Eve. This method of celebrating is relatively modern, but the holiday still existed within Tradition. Though the date of this holiday was not until the 1400's All Saints DayEdit: Looks like I mixed some of the secular beliefs of the holiday with what the holiday is actually about. I concede my previous post about the way I interpreted the meaning of that holiday.
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:44 am
I will be celebrating halloween this year. I won't be dressing up myself, but I am taking my daughter on her first trick-or-treating trip. She is dressing up as a pirate.
I love celebrating any holiday, halloween because of the candy! And I like carving pumpkins.
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:01 am
rmcdra Call Me Apple rmcdra I'm celebrating it. It's a Christian holiday and it's the time when the saints (people that Tradition confirms to be in heaven) are believed to be among the living. This would be the most ideal time for to commune with my Brothers and Sisters that have entered the Kingdom. It is also a time when false spirits arise so we dress up to "confuse and scare" the false spirits away from us because those that are with God (the saints) cannot be scared or confused. I always viewed it as an American holiday more than anything. Since other countries didnt start really acknowledging it until the mid-90's. Either way, I wont be celebrating. Most other Muslims in America dont either. We prefer to put more emphasis on our little holidays ;P True there is the secular and cultural celebrating of Halloween. All Saints' Day has been around much longer than the secular celebration of All Hallows' Eve. This method of celebrating is relatively modern, but the holiday still existed within Tradition. Though the date of this holiday was not until the 1400's All Saints DayEdit: Looks like I mixed some of the secular beliefs of the holiday with what the holiday is actually about. I concede my previous post about the way I interpreted the meaning of that holiday. I knew about All Saints Day. it was in spring ,but was moved to November 1st to make conversion of hte Pagans easier.
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:20 am
Call Me Apple rmcdra Call Me Apple rmcdra I'm celebrating it. It's a Christian holiday and it's the time when the saints (people that Tradition confirms to be in heaven) are believed to be among the living. This would be the most ideal time for to commune with my Brothers and Sisters that have entered the Kingdom. It is also a time when false spirits arise so we dress up to "confuse and scare" the false spirits away from us because those that are with God (the saints) cannot be scared or confused. I always viewed it as an American holiday more than anything. Since other countries didnt start really acknowledging it until the mid-90's. Either way, I wont be celebrating. Most other Muslims in America dont either. We prefer to put more emphasis on our little holidays ;P True there is the secular and cultural celebrating of Halloween. All Saints' Day has been around much longer than the secular celebration of All Hallows' Eve. This method of celebrating is relatively modern, but the holiday still existed within Tradition. Though the date of this holiday was not until the 1400's All Saints DayEdit: Looks like I mixed some of the secular beliefs of the holiday with what the holiday is actually about. I concede my previous post about the way I interpreted the meaning of that holiday. I knew about All Saints Day. it was in spring ,but was moved to November 1st to make conversion of hte Pagans easier. Okay now here is a claim that must ask for sources on. There's only one group of people that had a holiday that had a holiday around this time (Samhain which changed from year to year based on a lunar calender and from what I understand, this astronomical event that this holiday celebrates can't occur on Nov. 1). So if Nov. 1 was selected to make the conversion easier, why not make this holiday the actual time the pagan holiday was celebrated to faze out this other holiday all together. Keeping track of astronomical events would not have been hard, especially for the clergy that moved to the area where this holiday was originally celebrated.
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:47 am
rmcdra Call Me Apple rmcdra Call Me Apple rmcdra I'm celebrating it. It's a Christian holiday and it's the time when the saints (people that Tradition confirms to be in heaven) are believed to be among the living. This would be the most ideal time for to commune with my Brothers and Sisters that have entered the Kingdom. It is also a time when false spirits arise so we dress up to "confuse and scare" the false spirits away from us because those that are with God (the saints) cannot be scared or confused. I always viewed it as an American holiday more than anything. Since other countries didnt start really acknowledging it until the mid-90's. Either way, I wont be celebrating. Most other Muslims in America dont either. We prefer to put more emphasis on our little holidays ;P True there is the secular and cultural celebrating of Halloween. All Saints' Day has been around much longer than the secular celebration of All Hallows' Eve. This method of celebrating is relatively modern, but the holiday still existed within Tradition. Though the date of this holiday was not until the 1400's All Saints DayEdit: Looks like I mixed some of the secular beliefs of the holiday with what the holiday is actually about. I concede my previous post about the way I interpreted the meaning of that holiday. I knew about All Saints Day. it was in spring ,but was moved to November 1st to make conversion of hte Pagans easier. Okay now here is a claim that must ask for sources on. There's only one group of people that had a holiday that had a holiday around this time (Samhain which changed from year to year based on a lunar calender and from what I understand, this astronomical event that this holiday celebrates can't occur on Nov. 1). So if Nov. 1 was selected to make the conversion easier, why not make this holiday the actual time the pagan holiday was celebrated to faze out this other holiday all together. Keeping track of astronomical events would not have been hard, especially for the clergy that moved to the area where this holiday was originally celebrated. Except Samhain is usually celebrated in the fall. Meaning when the nights started getting a little cooler and the Harvest Moon was out. http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/Samhain.htmhttp://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=holidays&id=2203http://www.watchman.org/occult/samhain.htmhttp://www.holidays.net/halloween/samhain.htm
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:13 am
xLady Tsukiyox Except Samhain is usually celebrated in the fall. Meaning when the nights started getting a little cooler and the Harvest Moon was out. http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/Samhain.htm http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=holidays&id=2203 http://www.watchman.org/occult/samhain.htm http://www.holidays.net/halloween/samhain.htm All of these sources rely on proof by assertion and even give false information. An example of the false information is that druids were a religious order. Next the sources fail to recognize that Christianity came to these islands (England and Ireland) around the late 6th century yet the holiday of All Saints' Day was established for the entire Church (All the lands outside of England and Ireland, including Rome, Egypt, Greece, etc... just to name a few) in the 8th century on the date I believe to be erroneously attributed as Samhain since the astronomical event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't happen on Oct 31 or Nov 1. Finally if this holiday was a "converted" holiday then why is it not kept on the original date of the celebration that being on whatever that astronomical event is on the lunar calender? Your sources fail to answer my question or address my points.
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:28 pm
rmcdra xLady Tsukiyox Except Samhain is usually celebrated in the fall. Meaning when the nights started getting a little cooler and the Harvest Moon was out. http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/Samhain.htm http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=holidays&id=2203 http://www.watchman.org/occult/samhain.htm http://www.holidays.net/halloween/samhain.htm All of these sources rely on proof by assertion and even give false information. An example of the false information is that druids were a religious order. Next the sources fail to recognize that Christianity came to these islands (England and Ireland) around the late 6th century yet the holiday of All Saints' Day was established for the entire Church (All the lands outside of England and Ireland, including Rome, Egypt, Greece, etc... just to name a few) in the 8th century on the date I believe to be erroneously attributed as Samhain since the astronomical event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't happen on Oct 31 or Nov 1. Finally if this holiday was a "converted" holiday then why is it not kept on the original date of the celebration that being on whatever that astronomical event is on the lunar calender? Your sources fail to answer my question or address my points. Robbie I want to choke you sometimes you know that. -.- Samhain is a harvest festival akin to the Germans Oktoberfest. Harvest usually happen before the winter months. Now granted it didn't occur how we seperated into months. However lets us logic. If we didn't have the same calendar. When do you think it'd be okay to harvest? Spring? Summer? Fall or Winter? Logically, around the October and November months, the weather becomes a little brisk/chilly. Leaves start to change color and fall off the trees. It doesn't take a scientist to look up at the trees to tell what's happening to them. Also, the moon becomes fuller and turns an orange color, sometimes red. Again it didn't take a scientist to look at the sky and say "Oh hey, the moon's orange." http://www.loc.gov/folklife/halloween.html I swear if you refute the bloody Library of Congress I'm going to hit you.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:07 am
xLady Tsukiyox rmcdra xLady Tsukiyox Except Samhain is usually celebrated in the fall. Meaning when the nights started getting a little cooler and the Harvest Moon was out. http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/Samhain.htm http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=holidays&id=2203 http://www.watchman.org/occult/samhain.htm http://www.holidays.net/halloween/samhain.htm All of these sources rely on proof by assertion and even give false information. An example of the false information is that druids were a religious order. Next the sources fail to recognize that Christianity came to these islands (England and Ireland) around the late 6th century yet the holiday of All Saints' Day was established for the entire Church (All the lands outside of England and Ireland, including Rome, Egypt, Greece, etc... just to name a few) in the 8th century on the date I believe to be erroneously attributed as Samhain since the astronomical event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't happen on Oct 31 or Nov 1. Finally if this holiday was a "converted" holiday then why is it not kept on the original date of the celebration that being on whatever that astronomical event is on the lunar calender? Your sources fail to answer my question or address my points. Robbie I want to choke you sometimes you know that. -.- Samhain is a harvest festival akin to the Germans Oktoberfest. Harvest usually happen before the winter months. Now granted it didn't occur how we seperated into months. However lets us logic. If we didn't have the same calendar. When do you think it'd be okay to harvest? Spring? Summer? Fall or Winter? Logically, around the October and November months, the weather becomes a little brisk/chilly. Leaves start to change color and fall off the trees. It doesn't take a scientist to look up at the trees to tell what's happening to them. Also, the moon becomes fuller and turns an orange color, sometimes red. Again it didn't take a scientist to look at the sky and say "Oh hey, the moon's orange." http://www.loc.gov/folklife/halloween.html I swear if you refute the bloody Library of Congress I'm going to hit you. I'm not arguing Samhain. I'm stating that Samhain is not All Saints' Day. While there are cultural overtones of Samhain incorporated into our celebration of Halloween and All Saints' Day, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that these Holidays are one in the same due to theological differences for the celebration of these holidays. I disagree that All Saints' Day was selected to be celebrated on Nov. 1 to convert the pagans when only a few pagan groups (Gael, Welsh, Scots...) celebrated Samhain and the Catholic Church had at least two centuries to convert the pagan people of the islands in question before changing the date of All Saints' Day to Nov. 1. As for the link to the Library of Congress, they seem to be experiencing technical issues and I'll have to examine it at a later date.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:58 pm
rmcdra xLady Tsukiyox rmcdra xLady Tsukiyox Except Samhain is usually celebrated in the fall. Meaning when the nights started getting a little cooler and the Harvest Moon was out. http://inventors.about.com/od/sstartinventions/a/Samhain.htm http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=holidays&id=2203 http://www.watchman.org/occult/samhain.htm http://www.holidays.net/halloween/samhain.htm All of these sources rely on proof by assertion and even give false information. An example of the false information is that druids were a religious order. Next the sources fail to recognize that Christianity came to these islands (England and Ireland) around the late 6th century yet the holiday of All Saints' Day was established for the entire Church (All the lands outside of England and Ireland, including Rome, Egypt, Greece, etc... just to name a few) in the 8th century on the date I believe to be erroneously attributed as Samhain since the astronomical event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't happen on Oct 31 or Nov 1. Finally if this holiday was a "converted" holiday then why is it not kept on the original date of the celebration that being on whatever that astronomical event is on the lunar calender? Your sources fail to answer my question or address my points. Robbie I want to choke you sometimes you know that. -.- Samhain is a harvest festival akin to the Germans Oktoberfest. Harvest usually happen before the winter months. Now granted it didn't occur how we seperated into months. However lets us logic. If we didn't have the same calendar. When do you think it'd be okay to harvest? Spring? Summer? Fall or Winter? Logically, around the October and November months, the weather becomes a little brisk/chilly. Leaves start to change color and fall off the trees. It doesn't take a scientist to look up at the trees to tell what's happening to them. Also, the moon becomes fuller and turns an orange color, sometimes red. Again it didn't take a scientist to look at the sky and say "Oh hey, the moon's orange." http://www.loc.gov/folklife/halloween.html I swear if you refute the bloody Library of Congress I'm going to hit you. I'm not arguing Samhain. I'm stating that Samhain is not All Saints' Day. While there are cultural overtones of Samhain incorporated into our celebration of Halloween and All Saints' Day, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that these Holidays are one in the same due to theological differences for the celebration of these holidays. I disagree that All Saints' Day was selected to be celebrated on Nov. 1 to convert the pagans when only a few pagan groups (Gael, Welsh, Scots...) celebrated Samhain and the Catholic Church had at least two centuries to convert the pagan people of the islands in question before changing the date of All Saints' Day to Nov. 1. As for the link to the Library of Congress, they seem to be experiencing technical issues and I'll have to examine it at a later date. oh...i thought you were arguing Samhain... I don't know about All Saints Day and have never celebrated it. Though I'm going to hate it because we have to change our clocks back, and changing my watch is going to be a b***h.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:47 pm
rmcdra I'm celebrating it. It's a Christian holiday and it's the time when the saints (people that Tradition confirms to be in heaven) are believed to be among the living. This would be the most ideal time for to commune with my Brothers and Sisters that have entered the Kingdom. It is also a time when false spirits arise so we dress up to "confuse and scare" the false spirits away from us because those that are with God (the saints) cannot be scared or confused. Samhain was originaly a pagan holiday and pretty muc everything you just mentioned was stolen from them when the christians (ok to be fair it was the Roman Cahtolic Church) set up this shalow parody to cover up the original festival. The saints can be replaced with benevolent spirits. but the reason behind the costumes are the same. also I thought that All Saints Day was celebrated on the day following halloween.
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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:52 pm
Personally, I'm celebrating with a night of revelry and indulgence that will last through until the first as long as I don't pass out first. Magic mushrooms and alcohol (and hopefully i can score some coke). plus a pre-party full of scantily clad goth chicks. damn, i love halloween.
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