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Valgex

PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:50 pm


Vote 2 legalize marijuana. On CNN today obama will consider 1 million votes. Call 1-973-409-3274. Listen then press #


That says it all, I've done it myself already. You should to. But do you think this will make any difference? Is this number even legit?

(Update 10/29/09: Today in my newspaper, California was getting ready for discussions and polls for full legalization of Marijuana, sell, grow and posses. It'd be $50 a ounce and a 9% tax to it, still cheaper than what people pay illegally on the streets.

I personally would love it to see if Califronia is the first state to have Marijuana fully legalized, however, the Federal government would class with the decision and three things could result.

#1. California becomes the first state to allow Marijuana fully. This influences other states to do the same, the government then leaves the choice to the states and removes Marijuana from being illegal.

#2. California becomes the first state to legalize it, but has political issues with the Federal Government a few states join along, but the class goes on for more years before a compromise is made.

#3. California fails to make it legal and back fires and jeopardizes and future attempts to make Marijuana legal.

Each one above is possible, what is your opinion on the matter?)
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:57 pm


I don't know and I think drugs and alcohol should be prohibited. I mean I'm no prude but I don't like any of that neither do I like cigarettes, if it will be legalized which I doubt it will I don't care. This country is going downhill and I'm leaving the country so yeah but yeah I really doubt he will legalize it.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:05 pm


Hmmmm well being Canadian this effects me like one would expect. Though, being called and self proclaimed straight edge and whatnot I really dislike the idea my self. Not along the lines of everyone who will vote yes, or has taken drugs ect. is bad but more along the lines of, even if it was legalised, it would not effect me in the least. As for do I believe Pot will be legalized? not a chance in hell, that is not the SE side of me speaking, it is the logical side of me speaking. Does not matter how many people call in, or vote or whatever there is no way I think that the legal status of Pot will be flipped.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:04 am


Hemp is a wonderful fiber. It grows quickly and can be used to make rope, shirts, wallets, etc. I would love to see more hemp products. We have some, but since it's illegal to grow in the US, we don't have as many as we could.

But the problem starts when people try to smoke it. Those people are basically ruining it for everyone else because they're the reason that it is illegal to grow it. Research is still being done, but so far it looks like marijuana might be tied to a wide variety of health problems.

So as much as I would like more hemp products, I support the decision to keep marijuana illegal. I am not going to vote for something that is bad for our health. Too many people are unhealthy as it is.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:56 am


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I don't know and I think drugs and alcohol should be prohibited. I mean I'm no prude but I don't like any of that neither do I like cigarettes, if it will be legalized which I doubt it will I don't care. This country is going downhill and I'm leaving the country so yeah but yeah I really doubt he will legalize it.


The last time alcohol was prohibited we had the Prohibition. Do you think that America is dumb enough to make the same mistake twice?? Don't get me wrong, I don't drink and have no plans to, but banning everything like that will just cause more trouble and heartache. I try to stay neutral about stuff like this so I vote neither yes nor no. It keeps me from getting scorned by either side of the line.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:19 pm


I would probably support a ban on alcohol as well. It's just not worth having around in my opinion since most people can't even be trusted to drink it responsibly. Although harsher penalties for people who do things like drink and drive would also work. I keep hearing about people getting like six DUIs with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. That's unacceptable in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:15 pm


LorienLlewellyn
I would probably support a ban on alcohol as well. It's just not worth having around in my opinion since most people can't even be trusted to drink it responsibly. Although harsher penalties for people who do things like drink and drive would also work. I keep hearing about people getting like six DUIs with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. That's unacceptable in my opinion.


Canada has ridiculously stupid, worthless penalties for drunk driving and related offenses up here. You have to practically kill someone to go to jail, but even then you're not there for very long. We have a really shitty justice system up here.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:52 pm


Nikolita

You have to practically kill someone to go to jail, but even then you're not there for very long.


Same here in the US. In fact, there was that story last week about the guy who kidnapped, raped, and slashed the throat of an eight year old girl. He kidnapped, raped, and slashed the throat of an adult as well. He served something like four years for the attack on the adult. Police didn't know at first that the two crimes were committed by the same man, so he did not do time for the attack on the child at the time.

The little girl lived. I do not know if the woman lived. But whether she lived or not, four years is not even remotely long enough for kidnap, rape, and murder/attempted murder in my opinion. Someone like that is obviously dangerous, and of course he ends up being a repeat offender. I don't care if taxes go up, lock the guy away for heaven's sake. It's a wonder that there aren't more lawsuits over this stuff. If a repeat offender ever attacked me, I'd be looking for someone to sue. I mean, sure, the attacker is to blame, but he's also crazy. So I blame whoever knew he was dangerous yet let him out of prison anyway or whoever decided that four years was an appropriate sentence in the first place.

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Valgex

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:42 pm


Thanks for your guys thoughts. The justice system surely doesn't have priories were they should be. First of all, I don't find it wrong to once in awhile smoke Marijuana and I do NOT think the government should have any power on what we do to our OWN bodies. Our nation and other ones are imprisoning hundreds of thousands of people each year for selling, using or buying Marijuana alone and not one death directly involved with Marijuana alone.

This is filling up our prisons and wasting money on cases that didn't need to be made in the first place, we need to be putting the real trash in prison and for longer, Murders, Big&Hard Core thiefs, rapists and real drug dealers(Giving out drugs that will actually kill you or do serious, serious harm on even a low usage), people like that.

I'd double and tripled check that number and now I'm 50% sure it's real and 50% its fake or have doubts on it.

I know one thing that we can all agree on, 1/3(100 million) of America wants it to be legalized. Not all these people are bums on the street, they other live comfortable, obey the laws that actually matter to keep society in peace, the list goes on. We can all agree on that and that of all the benefits it'd bring, both Politically($$$$$) and product wise. But everything has draw backs as well and is no exception to Marijuana.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:23 pm


Valgex
Thanks for your guys thoughts. The justice system surely doesn't have priories were they should be. First of all, I don't find it wrong to once in awhile smoke Marijuana and I do NOT think the government should have any power on what we do to our OWN bodies. Our nation and other ones are imprisoning hundreds of thousands of people each year for selling, using or buying Marijuana alone and not one death directly involved with Marijuana alone.

This is filling up our prisons and wasting money on cases that didn't need to be made in the first place, we need to be putting the real trash in prison and for longer, Murders, Big&Hard Core thiefs, rapists and real drug dealers(Giving out drugs that will actually kill you or do serious, serious harm on even a low usage), people like that.

I'd double and tripled check that number and now I'm 50% sure it's real and 50% its fake or have doubts on it.

I know one thing that we can all agree on, 1/3(100 million) of America wants it to be legalized. Not all these people are bums on the street, they other live comfortable, obey the laws that actually matter to keep society in peace, the list goes on. We can all agree on that and that of all the benefits it'd bring, both Politically($$$$$) and product wise. But everything has draw backs as well and is no exception to Marijuana.



I'm not sure if you meant "alone" as in someone using it by themselves, or as in the statistic by itself, but I'm pretty sure that statement isn't 100% accurate. People have gotten car crashes and hurt themselves and/or someone else by being stoned behind the wheel.

Is it terribly unhealthy? The research is still being done, but there's probably some health risks. Is it as bad as fearmongers say? Time will tell. Is it 100% safe to use and unaddictive? No.

Actually I'm taking a substance misuse class in university right now, and a couple of weeks ago we watched a pro-pot legalization video on youtube, and after we watched it we pointed out some of the flaws and biases. I can't find it on youtube at the moment, but I will check later this week and post the link when I find it.

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Valgex

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:03 pm


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Valgex
Thanks for your guys thoughts. The justice system surely doesn't have priories were they should be. First of all, I don't find it wrong to once in awhile smoke Marijuana and I do NOT think the government should have any power on what we do to our OWN bodies. Our nation and other ones are imprisoning hundreds of thousands of people each year for selling, using or buying Marijuana alone and not one death directly involved with Marijuana alone.

This is filling up our prisons and wasting money on cases that didn't need to be made in the first place, we need to be putting the real trash in prison and for longer, Murders, Big&Hard Core thiefs, rapists and real drug dealers(Giving out drugs that will actually kill you or do serious, serious harm on even a low usage), people like that.

I'd double and tripled check that number and now I'm 50% sure it's real and 50% its fake or have doubts on it.

I know one thing that we can all agree on, 1/3(100 million) of America wants it to be legalized. Not all these people are bums on the street, they other live comfortable, obey the laws that actually matter to keep society in peace, the list goes on. We can all agree on that and that of all the benefits it'd bring, both Politically($$$$$) and product wise. But everything has draw backs as well and is no exception to Marijuana.



I'm not sure if you meant "alone" as in someone using it by themselves, or as in the statistic by itself, but I'm pretty sure that statement isn't 100% accurate. People have gotten car crashes and hurt themselves and/or someone else by being stoned behind the wheel.

Is it terribly unhealthy? The research is still being done, but there's probably some health risks. Is it as bad as fearmongers say? Time will tell. Is it 100% safe to use and unaddictive? No.

Actually I'm taking a substance misuse class in university right now, and a couple of weeks ago we watched a pro-pot legalization video on youtube, and after we watched it we pointed out some of the flaws and biases. I can't find it on youtube at the moment, but I will check later this week and post the link when I find it.


When I meant directly involved with Marijuana is you staying home and getting so High, it kills you. And it has to be pure Marijuana, not stuff added to it, that would NOT be a direct death caused by Marijuana if something that is lethal, is added to it.

This has yet to occur to anyone. And in order to create a lethal dosage of Marijuana, it is other 1,500 or 15,000 pounds I think must be consumed in some manner within a 15 minute period a near impossible feat and has yet happen. Yes, some who people have probably gotten into car wrecks and either killed someone or hurt themselves and others, but this is a indirect cause from Marijuana, the reason why is even though you are high, you are still in control of yourself and your actions, just your reaction time is slower. But Alcohol does the same thing, but its far more abused than Marijuana.

Yet it's legal? And you are also right, it's not 100%, nothing is. I could sit at home, eat 100 Oreo cookies and probably then puke my guts out or cause some other internal thing. I wouldn't do that, cause I know when enough is enough, but too many people don't know enough is enough and ruin it for the responsible people. As for addiction, some can be addicted to it, because they just like it. There is no addictive chemical in Marijuana naturally, that forces you to want more.

From my experiences on intaking it different ways, not once did I feel the urge to want more and do it more often. I've refused to take it more times than I've actually taken(as can be read in the poll, I've done it five times)

I made this topic to more to discuss the legitness of the # I provided. I'm in support for legalizing a less harmful, more natural substance that gives a similar, but yet different effect as Alcohol. That I feel if something less natural and more harmful like Tobacco(bad because of all the additives that they add) is legal, then Marijuana(Not Marijuana that has additives in it, that give natural Marijuana, a bad name) should have it's chance just as well.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:29 pm


Valgex

When I meant directly involved with Marijuana is you staying home and getting so High, it kills you. And it has to be pure Marijuana, not stuff added to it, that would NOT be a direct death caused by Marijuana if something that is lethal, is added to it. This has yet to occur to anyone.

But marijuana may be linked to a wide variety of other health issues, some of which can be fatal. So saying no one dies from marijuana is like saying, "Cigarettes don't kill people, lung cancer does."

I do agree that it's sort of hypocritical that marijuana is illegal when tobacco cigarettes and alcohol are legal though. They all cause health issues, so I'm not really sure why we differentiate between the three.

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Valgex

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:54 pm


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Valgex



I do agree that it's sort of hypocritical that marijuana is illegal when tobacco cigarettes and alcohol are legal though. They all cause health issues, so I'm not really sure we differentiate between the three.
And that is some common ground the both Pro-Marijuana and Others can agree. As for health issue, I'm sure there is, but you'd have to do it a lot for those issue to start appearing, same with Alcohol, but if you do either one moderately, you should live a long and healthy life.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:44 am


LorienLlewellyn

I do agree that it's sort of hypocritical that marijuana is illegal when tobacco cigarettes and alcohol are legal though. They all cause health issues, so I'm not really sure why we differentiate between the three.


This is something I have always pondered my self. Alcohol intoxicates people to the point of deaths, acts that kill and well liver failure. Tobacco just ravages the lungs. only big difference I can fathom is the high you get from pot, but honestly that seems completely miniscule different wise when people die from all 3 either directly or influenced.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:27 am


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LorienLlewellyn

I do agree that it's sort of hypocritical that marijuana is illegal when tobacco cigarettes and alcohol are legal though. They all cause health issues, so I'm not really sure why we differentiate between the three.


This is something I have always pondered my self. Alcohol intoxicates people to the point of deaths, acts that kill and well liver failure. Tobacco just ravages the lungs. only big difference I can fathom is the high you get from pot, but honestly that seems completely miniscule different wise when people die from all 3 either directly or influenced.



Tobacco does a lot more harm than just cause lung cancer. wink (I know what you're getting at though.) The Smoking Sticky has more information on harms caused by smoking.
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