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OrionStark

PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:02 pm


What are the tactical roles of the different branches of the Imperial Military?

When a planet has been invaded by enemies of Man when does the Imperium send in the Imperial Guard and when does it use the fleet to bomb the enemy from orbit?

In modern warfare a pitched battle with tanks and infantry has become obsolete thanks to aerial warfare. Space warfare only takes it to the next level, even without a warhead dropping a heavy object on an enemy from high orbit can be as devastating as a small nuke. Turn a Nova Cannon or Lance on a planets surface and forget about it. Why waste the lives and hardware on a land battle when an orbital strike will do the job for you?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:47 pm


Well the problem with orbital bombardment is it is a costly endeavor and... depending on the munitions dropped upon the planet then there may not be a planet left to colonize.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:38 pm


The guard are used as a first line of defense against ground incursions. Depending on the relative worth of a planet, they are then issued differing levels of ordinance and weaponry, scaling all the way up to "Nuke it from orbit" levels of destruction.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:30 am


Orbital bombardment is ineffective unless employed en-masse against an enemy who has a fixed position. But even then there are structures not only know to resist orbital fire, but also have enough fire power to shoot space born threats out of the heaves. Just look at the Vraks campaign, which could've easily been won if not for a massive amount of well-fortified laser silos.

Plus, glassing a planet in the Emperor's domain is a rather crude and heretical point of view. It is far better that the blood of a million martyrs stains the soil then that you destroy it forever.

Also, Guard and Navy are two separate entities, with a strong and hostile enmity running between the two.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:02 am


The Navy flies while the Guard dies. crying
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:43 am


PDF is first line of defence, when invaded, a call for help is issued via astropath. Marines may be deployed if available, and are fastest to get there, with fast ships and battle-ready forces. If they are unavailable or not enough to deal with threat, IG regiments are raised from nearby worlds and sent by naval transports. Navy is usually restricted to mainataining space superiority, supply transport etc. - orbital strikes are hugely inaccurate, and Exterminatus is sole domain of the Inquisition, as inhabitable planets are priceless in the Galaxy.
For RL example, Germany was bombed heavily in WW2 but it took ground invasion to force defeat.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:58 am


Well Van if your looking at fluff marines will always show weather or not there are alot, if there is a non pre-occupied marine force in the area they get there asap.

Dont forget the Inquisition and The Space Marines are in charge of Exterminatus, The Inquisition and Imperial Navy are not allowed to carry Exterminatus Weaponry, only a Space Marine Battlebarge can carry out the actual bombardment
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:03 am


Gotta disagree there, the Inquisition has vessels capable of firing the required viral and cyclone torpedos.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:09 am


Van Evok
For RL example, Germany was bombed heavily in WW2 but it took ground invasion to force defeat.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:37 am


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Gotta disagree there, the Inquisition has vessels capable of firing the required viral and cyclone torpedo's.


Capability, but not the authorization. An Inquisitors Ship may be able to carry, maintain, and use the weapons but they are not allowed to because they would have to much power and reckless Inquisitors would annihilate worlds for no reason.

Only a Battle-Barge of the Adeptus Astartes may carry and fire Exterminatus weapons, when given the order by an Inquisitor.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:09 am


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Kaori Kapoigne
Gotta disagree there, the Inquisition has vessels capable of firing the required viral and cyclone torpedo's.


Capability, but not the authorization. An Inquisitors Ship may be able to carry, maintain, and use the weapons but they are not allowed to because they would have to much power and reckless Inquisitors would annihilate worlds for no reason.

Only a Battle-Barge of the Adeptus Astartes may carry and fire Exterminatus weapons, when given the order by an Inquisitor.
I'd love to see a source on this.

The Inquisition nukes planets for a living and they do have the means to do it. Just look at the Inquisition Wars or Inquisitor.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:30 pm


Trust me, I used to adore the Inquisition BHS, and I've tried to find every scrap of info I can on them, when I was younger that was.
There is no law above the Inquisition, except the Emperors and the Adeptus Custodes (As I remember.). Space Marines can be used by any Inquisitor via ancient pacts or deals made, but not controlled, as stated in Dawn of War.
The Inquisition black ships are the ultimate authority in Space ranking, except Space Marine ships of course.
A Inquisitor may get control of a Black ship, but he would have to file a report to the Inquisition enclave at the nearest HQ, when he does, he can fire, or if he needs to, fire, then do the report.
Eventually though, if a radical bombs planets are random, the Inquisition will find out about it, and make the ship detonate, by failsafe detonators planted in the ship.

You have to remember, there isn't as many crazy/heretical Inquisitors as the books and fluff portray, extremely radical Inquisitors are very rare, while radicals are less rare, then Puritans are the most common.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:26 pm


Jason Kharo
Trust me, I used to adore the Inquisition BHS, and I've tried to find every scrap of info I can on them, when I was younger that was.
There is no law above the Inquisition, except the Emperors and the Adeptus Custodes (As I remember.). Space Marines can be used by any Inquisitor via ancient pacts or deals made, but not controlled, as stated in Dawn of War.
The Inquisition black ships are the ultimate authority in Space ranking, except Space Marine ships of course.
A Inquisitor may get control of a Black ship, but he would have to file a report to the Inquisition enclave at the nearest HQ, when he does, he can fire, or if he needs to, fire, then do the report.
Eventually though, if a radical bombs planets are random, the Inquisition will find out about it, and make the ship detonate, by failsafe detonators planted in the ship.

You have to remember, there isn't as many crazy/heretical Inquisitors as the books and fluff portray, extremely radical Inquisitors are very rare, while radicals are less rare, then Puritans are the most common.


Here is one bit of Info in my defence:

Lexicanum: The Exterminatus order can be given by any Inquisitor. An astropath will relay the order to a Space Marine Chapter nearest the condemned world. Upon receiving the order, the Space Marine fleet will be dispatched with the desired methods of annihilation.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exterminatus

I have seen nothing on Black Ships that says they may carry munitions for Exterminatus... Would you please point it out to me?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:51 pm


No, Black Ships are not combat vessels. But the Inquisition has other vessels at their disposal.

And Lexicanum is a great big pile of non-canon s**t. Except for some of their marine articles, which are direct copy-paste actions from old IA articles.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:57 pm


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No, Black Ships are not combat vessels. But the Inquisition has other vessels at their disposal.

And Lexicanum is a great big pile of non-canon s**t. Except for some of their marine articles, which are direct copy-paste actions from old IA articles.


if you dont believe Lexicanum read the ultramarine omnibus its in the second book i think. the battle for pavonis, thats where Lexi got the refrence...
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