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 Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:34 am
Click the youtube link for the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiusxYyw16o
A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that.
The swine flu "pandemic" is just the current media fear-mongering that's replaced the bird flu "pandemic" that never materialized.
Want to know the current state of the swine flu?
Only 43,771 cases have been reported in the United States. Because of poor reporting the CDC estimates that true numbers indicate that one million have been infected. Many people did not get sick enough to go to a doctor. Likewise, not all people are tested who go to a doctor.
Of these 5,011 have been hospitalized and 302 have died. (Total flu hospitalizations are similar or lower than for seasonal flu )
If we use the 43,771 figure and 302 deaths that means the death rate is 0.6 percent, an extremely low death rate for any flu.
The percentage of hospitalized patients who died was 6 percent, again a very low incidence of death.
Since the CDC estimates that one million have been infected, we must recalculate death rates. Using this more accurate figure, the death rate is in truth 0.03 percent, which means 99.97percent will not die from this flu. Your chances of dying are incredibly low.
Everyone should read the following article to get some honest information about the swine flu. Not fear mongering and profit-seeking by the pharmaceutical industry.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/19/The-Truth-about-the-Flu-Shot.aspx
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:44 am
rofl I posted a similar thread in Health and Beauty. Reason being, this directly effects me since I live in MA and I'm freaking out about it. Now, they claim they won't do this with swine flu unless it becomes and emergency...but who determines and why do they determine an emergency? This basically means that even though they might not do it now, they probably will in the future.
Now the media is infecting people near and dear to me. Two days ago my mom was trying to convince me to get a flu shot, even though I've never had one and she damn well knows I'm against it. When I complained about it to my boyfriend, HE AGREED WITH HER even though he's always on the receiving end of my rants against this type of thing (his argument: I've had a flu vaccine and I'm still alive. My argument: I've already had the flu and I'm still alive). Obviously they put mind control drugs in the vaccines. And this is just the regular flu vaccine folks. They'll be damned if they get me to take some experimental rushed swine flu vaccine even after I already got the damn swine flu. Kansas is giving out free land. I don't need to stay here.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:09 pm
Quote: Well 46 million of us obediently took the shot, and now 4,000 Americans are claiming damages from Uncle Sam amounting to three and a half billion dollars because of what happened when they took that shot. By far the greatest number of the claims – two thirds of them are for neurological damage, or even death, allegedly triggered by the flu shot. That was from the swine flu epidemic to wipe out the world... in 1976. http://lezgetreal.com/?p=15773I don't have TV, so I'm not sure how much hype the swine flu has now - but it seems that it's been pushed aside by other, bigger issues, like MJ's death. Then I wonder about what happened to the bird flu... SARS and all the other mass epidemic scares. Why are we up in the air about something that has "killed" just over 4 thousand people worldwide when there are things like poverty stricken hungry kids that dying at six times the speed of the swine flu every day? Is it due to hungry kids taking more time to solve then the quick and easily forgettable fashionable news we have in the swine flu? http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/08/05/Vaccine/
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:56 pm
I'm in favor of the idea that they're using this to begin planting the seeds of bigger "epidemic" or "disaster". Nothing good will come of this.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:43 pm
Vanilla eXee
rofl I posted a similar thread in Health and Beauty. Reason being, this directly effects me since I live in MA and I'm freaking out about it. Now, they claim they won't do this with swine flu unless it becomes and emergency...but who determines and why do they determine an emergency? This basically means that even though they might not do it now, they probably will in the future.
Now the media is infecting people near and dear to me. Two days ago my mom was trying to convince me to get a flu shot, even though I've never had one and she damn well knows I'm against it. When I complained about it to my boyfriend, HE AGREED WITH HER even though he's always on the receiving end of my rants against this type of thing (his argument: I've had a flu vaccine and I'm still alive. My argument: I've already had the flu and I'm still alive). Obviously they put mind control drugs in the vaccines. And this is just the regular flu vaccine folks. They'll be damned if they get me to take some experimental rushed swine flu vaccine even after I already got the damn swine flu. Kansas is giving out free land. I don't need to stay here.
I live just across the border in RI, but work in MA. Nevermind the economic issues with RI, but this news just has me more actively looking to get out of the area. I'm hoping to transfer from where I work to a location in NH. @Pirhan. They've started swinging back from the celebrity deaths to pushing the swine flu vaccine because ZOMG!epidemic. wahmbulance
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:05 am
What kind of concerns me is how teachers and doctors talk say " when the swine flu hit again" like, hey, I'm all for being prepared. But can't we use the word if I mean nothing is certain. We can't even be sure what the weather will be tomorrow, how is everyone so sure this will strike again? And they're like ZOMG more than 100 deaths from swine flu! and everyone freaks out, and let's run and get vaccinated and spend a s**t ton of money on hand sanitizers and antibactirial sprays and this and that. But um..." In particular, influenza and pneumococcal disease account for approximately 60,000 deaths each year among persons greater than or equal to 65 years of age."-CDC This is a good article http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/28/regular.flu/Personally I think the money and time would be better spent strengthening our immune systems. Why is the incident so low in the summer? Well I'm no expert, but, let's see. People are out in the sun, many on vacation or either way with longer days they spend more time outside, doing things they like and being active. Stress weakens your immune system after all. People get more rest etc. That's just my take on it. Instead of stressing out about it and actually increasing my risk of getting it. I'm gona focus on staying healthy. I know they SAY that it hits young healthy people. But my friend got it, and she's not what I'd call healthy. Sure she's young, got no diseases or anything of the like. But her diet consists of pizza and candy.
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:40 am
The government does not have the express right to force vaccinations.
The government actually should not be in the business of providing healthcare at all! Read the Constitution!
I've fought the forced vaccination battle myself, with kids in school, and have a granddaughter that has received NOT ONE vaccination in her life! I understand why they are available, and that the general health of the general public is a concern. I grew up in the days of polio, and yes, Pirhan, I took one of those flu shots in 1976, because I chose to do so, not because I was forced to do it. And yes, the girl I went with got sick, and missed a week of work. When the girls were very small and very sick, none of us took them----but then, we were not out in the general public. So it should be a personal decision, based upon your personal circumstances.
There will always be people who want vaccinations, and always be those who don't. They should be made available, through doctor's offices and clinics, where people can discuss them with a doctor before rolling up their sleeves. They should not be mandatory. This is not the government's place.
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:29 am
Ah but you see, we gave them that right. The fact that the majority of the population sits back because they believe they do not have a voice, that gives the government the right to do whatever they want. Until people start revolting, they have complete control over us.
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:18 pm
This is why we don't hide and be afraid. This is why it matters that you vote, and why you vote, and that you do your research before you vote. Nothing is set in stone, but it seems that it is until people decide to speak up, stick to their guns, and make things right.
This is not a nationwide issue at this point. It is up to us in our respective states to see to it that it doesn't become one.
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:28 pm
I think that it should be illegal to force someone to get a vaccination. Especially since this one was, as others have stated, rushed. There is still conflict over the side effects of vaccines that have been given to children for decades. The fact that a state can declare a mandate on receiving a vaccine is ludacris.
While I do not live in MA, if I did, I would leave immediately. No state can say what I will or will not do to my body.
I am offended and outraged that this law was passed at all.
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 4:15 pm
chickadee1010 I think that it should be illegal to force someone to get a vaccination. Especially since this one was, as others have stated, rushed. There is still conflict over the side effects of vaccines that have been given to children for decades. The fact that a state can declare a mandate on receiving a vaccine is ludacris. While I do not live in MA, if I did, I would leave immediately. No state can say what I will or will not do to my body. I am offended and outraged that this law was passed at all. it is illegal to force someone to get a vaccination. the supremacy clause in the constitution states that it is "the law of the land" & therefore can override unconstitutional state laws or laws that are in conflict with federal laws. in every state they have loopholes based on religious beliefs or medical issues about vaccinations. i mean, think about it! if they FORCED a vaccination on you & you had a bad reaction, you could sue them for not giving you an option. http://knowthelies.com/?q=node/4448some info about the swine flu vaccine: http://knowthelies.com/?q=node/4431& what you can do if you are bullied into getting the vaccine: http://knowthelies.com/?q=node/4277
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:57 pm
That information is good to know. If the state calls an "emergency" and puts the law into effect, hopefully this will help me from going to jail or getting sent to an internment camp for "quarantine".
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Hacker Edward Tivrusky IV
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:46 pm
Up here in Canada the shot is not mandatory, but they want everyone to get it. So the health authorities kept saying how important it was to get the shot. But because we ordered a different kind of swine flu vaccine then everyone else, there was a shortage and the vaccines were released late. So then they said they would only give the shot to "high risk" groups, and it would not be a problem that everybody else had to wait. And now that they have more vaccine and the "high risk" groups are done, they are like "OMG, you HAVE to get the swine flu shot!!!!".
I haven't gotten it, and I won't, and neither will my boyfriend. Even my Doctor says he will not get it.
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