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 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:02 pm
Despite the fact that this is the -Abortion- debate guild, I thought I'd make this thread for debate involving other issues. There are several issues, for instance, that I'm interested in discussing, and I figured, well, you're all intelligent people; Why the hell not?
Well, this thread was inspired, at least in part, by Mistress DragonFlame, so I'll post my opinion, firstly, about how I feel about the death penalty.
Here's a handy dandy list.
Gay Rights-
President Bush-
Sex before Marriage-
Death penalty-
etc...
Basically, whatever you want.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:04 pm
I think you know how much you and I agree on that one. We argued alongside each other in that thread. I salute you, sir. I'm trying to start a GSA in my school...but it's gonna be hard. Le sigh...
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:06 pm
Lelas I think you know how much you and I agree on that one. We argued alongside each other in that thread. I salute you, sir. I'm trying to start a GSA in my school...but it's gonna be hard. Le sigh...
It's fun indeed.
Of course, I have to tell my parents it was a 'movie club' and not what it really was.
*laments for non-coming outness*
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:17 pm
Well, I guess I can post my own opinion on some stuff to get the ball rolling.
The death penalty.
My personal thoughts on this? Well, kind of the same as abortion, really. I figure that there's no life that deserves to be taken from someone. You can punish them for the things they've done, but you can NOT take their life away. That's not punishment-- That's extermination, no matter how you slice it. And I won't agree with ever killing another human being.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:28 pm
I guess you can call me pro-death after all 3nodding , because i am for the death penalty. I believe in cases of repeated rape and child molestation, and serial killers the death penalty is proper punishment. There must, however be DNA proof, or no go. I don't believe prison is harsh enough, especially the ones in California. It may as well be a day spa, for as much money as we pump into our prison system.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:16 pm
Here are my own stances on a few of the subjects-
Gay rights-Being straight, gay marriage is not my thing, but that doesn't mean that I have any right to take it away from those who want it.
Death-Penalty-Against it. Killing another member of society does not solve anything other than quenching society's thirst for blood. It does not deter violent crimes either, because they keep happening regardless of the death penalty being in place across America.
Sex before marriage-As long as the couple is responsible, does the deed safely, and is ready in case of pregnancy, then let them do as they please.
President Bush-I could very-well rant here, but instead I will simply say that I voted for Kerry. You can probably guess how I feel about Bush by now.
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:41 pm
Hey, we have a GSA at my school! ...Oh crap, I'm sick and missed the meeting! gonk
Anyway, ...I inspired a thread? eek Wee! whee Go me!
Anyway, The death Penalty. I am completely gun-ho for it. I do not wish to pay for a guy to live out a life sentace, and receive any and every medical attention if s/he gets a heart attack in there. I mean, over half of the population will never recieve as much medical attention as them when an incident happens. And guess who pays for it? I do. And I frankly don't want to do it. And, I have the choice not to.
Death isn't a punishment: ...Yes it is. You know how scared most people are of death? They are scared enough to not want to die, at least.
"An eye for an eye,
A tooth for a tooth."
You kill, you get killed. End of discussion.
Bush-The lesser of the two evils (Kerry), but still a major idiot.
Gay marrage- Completely for it.
Sex before marrage-Marrage, to those who actually love one another, is nothing but words. So it doesn't matter if your married or not.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:10 am
Personally, I believe that killing innocent adults is unjustifiable. If you support the death penalty, you support the death of innocent adults, it's as simple as. No judiciary system is completely foolproof.
I believe it costs more money to execute someone than to incarcerate them for life, anyway, due to the high number of appeals. There's no getting around that one, either. You need to give people on Death Row every chance to appeal to maximise the chance that they were rightfully convicted to death. I'd rather spend that money elsewhere.
I don't really believe in punishment, anyway. I believe in rehabilitation.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:14 pm
Sensedog Here are my own stances on a few of the subjects- Gay rights-Being straight, gay marriage is not my thing, but that doesn't mean that I have any right to take it away from those who want it. Death-Penalty-Against it. Killing another member of society does not solve anything other than quenching society's thirst for blood. It does not deter violent crimes either, because they keep happening regardless of the death penalty being in place across America. Sex before marriage-As long as the couple is responsible, does the deed safely, and is ready in case of pregnancy, then let them do as they please. President Bush-I could very-well rant here, but instead I will simply say that I voted for Kerry. You can probably guess how I feel about Bush by now.
We agree on everything.
Besides abortion, that is.
3nodding
And I -definitely- agree with you about Bush.
A more horrible man there never was.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 1:59 pm
Mcphee
Gay Rights-
President Bush-
Sex before Marriage-
Death penalty-
etc...
Basically, whatever you want.cool topic. *thumbs up* Gay rights- I'm for it. Gay rights helps everyone- even the straight people out...because human sexuality is complex. As far as I know, gay people are just as normal otherwise as straight folk. But yea, gay rights is kinda akin to "the right to develop as a sexual being in a safe and consenting context." (so that eliminates the *****, for one..) President Bush- He sucks, and he's one president I don't respect much. That says a lot coming from me. But his wife is kinda cool though. Sex before marriage- it's none of my business. But some of the problems in society we have to deal with is diseases, unwanted pregnancies and the like (which are... kinda our business). Two ways to combat these things is to improve the education of the people, and improve the future opportunities people will have. I support combating problems through education and empowerment, not fear, shame, and guilt. I support safe, conscientious, and responsible sex. *thumbs up*. I also wish the stupid people and the bad genes quit breeding so godamned much, but then again, it's none of my business blaugh Death Penalty- I'm mixed about this. For one, the thought that innocent people are framed is sickening. I think there is a more effective way to deal with criminals and bring justice to victims than what we currently have. However, what I do support is killing off is your totally conscientious-lacking, hardcore criminals like rapists serial killers, yadda yadda. Because of the way their brains are wired, they lack human qualities like empathy and getting along. They ain't exactly "human", never will be, rehab NEVER works for those types of people- kill 'em off. Or.. at least mess up their brains enough to turn them into complacent zombies. ******** them.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:16 pm
Foetus In Fetu Personally, I believe that killing innocent adults is unjustifiable. If you support the death penalty, you support the death of innocent adults, it's as simple as. No judiciary system is completely foolproof. I believe it costs more money to execute someone than to incarcerate them for life, anyway, due to the high number of appeals. There's no getting around that one, either. You need to give people on Death Row every chance to appeal to maximise the chance that they were rightfully convicted to death. I'd rather spend that money elsewhere. I don't really believe in punishment, anyway. I believe in rehabilitation.
I personally don't feel that having the death penalty is beneficial because innocent people lose their lives to a system that is flawed, corrupt, and really lame. It's despicable that life is this disposable to people.
This really bugged me, too. Shows just how wrong the system is.
When it comes down to life being taken from you, there is no reason why Capital punishment is justifiable. None at all. It's killing another person for the actions that they've taken in life. That's not atonement-- that's finality.
You can't punish someone by taking life. What else do they have? There's nothing else to give when that's gone.
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Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:06 pm
Gay Rights - I'm not sure yet what I think about this.
President Bush - Definitely better than Kerry
Sex before Marriage - I find this completely wrong, marriage entitles comitment, anything else could be a one night stand
Death penalty - Completely and utterly wrong. First of all, it costs more money for the death penalty. Second of all, I believe it is more painful for someone to sit in a jail cell all their life and let their consience get to them than to die. Some things are worse than death.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 7:58 am
Pandali Gay Rights - I'm not sure yet what I think about this.
Most people I've met have an opinion about that one-- Usually set in stone.
It's hard to find someone who wavers on that issue.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:07 am
Well, it isn't even that I'm wavy about it. I just don't think about the issue very often, so I don't know what I think about it yet.
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Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:38 am
I never did reply to all of these. Gay Rights - In the U.S., the fourteenth amendment is supposed to apply to everyone. Equal protection under the law requires that gay couples be allowed to marry--and that they be included in hate crimes laws. President Bush wants neither--he doesn't even want gays to have employment protection. The b*****d. President Bush - Evil, ignorant, and hypocritical. I loathe him. "Oh, I'm so pro-life! Yay! Death penalty! Yay! War!" Sex before Marriage - Perfectly fine if done when the partners are ready and safe. Death penalty - That's a tough one. On one hand, I believe that it's too risky to execute someone--for the simple fact that despite all odds, innocent people are put to death every day. Also, the death penalty is much too merciful to those who raped and tortured their victims to death--these criminals don't deserve a quick and painless demise. On the other...death row is a great punishment in itself. They sit there, regretting their actions, and fearing that soon their name will be called. It's almost as if they are finally being put into the position that their victims were in. Of course, no innocent person should have to suffer like this. So..I think that until our legal system is perfect, we shouldn't put people to death. And we should always allow appeals...as long as there is sufficient evidence to start a new trial. Quote: Completely and utterly wrong. First of all, it costs more money for the death penalty. Well, actually...I would think that supporting an inmate for their whole lives on tax money would be much, much more expensive than giving them the death sentence. Not that I think saving money is a reason to put people to death. eek
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