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Call Me Apple Vice Captain
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 Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 12:47 am
I'd appreciate for some knowledgeable brothers & sisters to quote heaven for men and women in Islam. I read that women had a harder time getting into heaven than men...Is this true? The site did not quote where in the Qur'an. sweatdrop In Christianity anyone can really go to heaven, even sinners. As long as they ask forgiveness from Jesus (pbuh), since in Christianity he is part of the trinity as is the Son of God. Can anyone elaborate on Heaven in Islam?
For Non-Muslims, what does your religion say about the afterlife?
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:32 am
I don't know? I've never heard that but I think everyone should have an equal chance to get into heaven.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:27 am
There is no reference in the Qur'an of women having a harder time than men getting into Paradise. Where did you read that? gonk
Anyway, these descriptions come up quite a few times (I'll find specific ayats later): "For the believers, they will enter gardens beneath which rivers flow." "They will be dressed in silk, lounging on thrones facing each other." "Every kind of fruit will be freely available and they shall drink from cups made of gold." "There will be wonders beyond imagination."
There are a few other statements repeated through out the Qur'an. (These aren't all exact quotes.) It gets pretty descriptive about hell too.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:06 am
Allah (swt) says in the Qur'an that men and women are created equal and that none are better than any other except in piety. (I'm trying to find the two verses I'm referring to ;-; )
But, if we look in at the rewards for commonly known good deeds, I can see where the statement on that website might have come from.
Take prayer, we all get rewarded for every prayer we pray. If we take one man and one woman who pray all their prayers at the appointed time, we find that in the end, the woman has fewer prayers than the man, because she will have her period once a month and does not pray during that time.
Similarly, women don't usually go to the mosque as frequently as men, and thus get fewer of those rewards.
However, this is why Allah (swt) rewards women for praying at home, and he rewards women for *not* praying when they're on their period, and he rewards women more in other aspects (for example, wearing hijab, etc) to compensate for this loss.
Therefore, no, it is not any harder for a woman to enter paradise than it is for a man (: In the sight of Allah, we are all created equal, with equal chances of getting into heaven.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:50 pm
In my faith, there are a few different places in the afterlife one can go to.
Those who die nobly in battle go to Valhol (Valhalla). Here, they fight all day long and in the evening are resurrected to dine and drink all night. They fight to train so that come Ragnarok, they can fight on Odinn's side.
For those that die of old age and/or illness, they go to Helheim, located in the realm of Niflheim. Now, the Nordic Hel is NOT the Hell of the Abrahamic faiths that believe in it. Nordic Hel is the sort of general, most-everybody-goes-there afterlife. It's not hot and fiery; rather, it's cool and damp. Helheim is named after the goddess Hel (daughter of Loki and Angrboda) and her hall there is called Eljudnir. Those who enter Helheim can never leave. Not even gods who enter Hel's realm can leave as evident in the story of Baldr. Those who have died of old age/illness remain in Helheim until Ragnarok when they will fight with Loki against the AEsir.
In the world of Niflheim there *is* an area where the exceptionally wicked go, but the name escapes me at the moment. It is not explicitly talked about in the myths and lore very often. Although according to pantheon.org, this place will only exist after Ragnarok.
There is also a tiny bit of lore support that one goes to the respective hall of their patron deity when they die, but this is shaky, at best.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:08 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff In my faith, there are a few different places in the afterlife one can go to. Those who die nobly in battle go to Valhol (Valhalla). Here, they fight all day long and in the evening are resurrected to dine and drink all night. They fight to train so that come Ragnarok, they can fight on Odinn's side. For those that die of old age and/or illness, they go to Helheim, located in the realm of Niflheim. Now, the Nordic Hel is NOT the Hell of the Abrahamic faiths that believe in it. Nordic Hel is the sort of general, most-everybody-goes-there afterlife. It's not hot and fiery; rather, it's cool and damp. Helheim is named after the goddess Hel (daughter of Loki and Angrboda) and her hall there is called Eljudnir. Those who enter Helheim can never leave. Not even gods who enter Hel's realm can leave as evident in the story of Baldr. Those who have died of old age/illness remain in Helheim until Ragnarok when they will fight with Loki against the AEsir. In the world of Niflheim there *is* an area where the exceptionally wicked go, but the name escapes me at the moment. It is not explicitly talked about in the myths and lore very often. Although according to pantheon.org, this place will only exist after Ragnarok. There is also a tiny bit of lore support that one goes to the respective hall of their patron deity when they die, but this is shaky, at best. sweatdrop I wish i had studied more about Nordic lore in school. But we were too focused on Greek & Roman sweatdrop
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Call Me Apple Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:02 pm
Call Me Apple Violet Song jat Shariff In my faith, there are a few different places in the afterlife one can go to. Those who die nobly in battle go to Valhol (Valhalla). Here, they fight all day long and in the evening are resurrected to dine and drink all night. They fight to train so that come Ragnarok, they can fight on Odinn's side. For those that die of old age and/or illness, they go to Helheim, located in the realm of Niflheim. Now, the Nordic Hel is NOT the Hell of the Abrahamic faiths that believe in it. Nordic Hel is the sort of general, most-everybody-goes-there afterlife. It's not hot and fiery; rather, it's cool and damp. Helheim is named after the goddess Hel (daughter of Loki and Angrboda) and her hall there is called Eljudnir. Those who enter Helheim can never leave. Not even gods who enter Hel's realm can leave as evident in the story of Baldr. Those who have died of old age/illness remain in Helheim until Ragnarok when they will fight with Loki against the AEsir. In the world of Niflheim there *is* an area where the exceptionally wicked go, but the name escapes me at the moment. It is not explicitly talked about in the myths and lore very often. Although according to pantheon.org, this place will only exist after Ragnarok. There is also a tiny bit of lore support that one goes to the respective hall of their patron deity when they die, but this is shaky, at best. sweatdrop I wish i had studied more about Nordic lore in school. But we were too focused on Greek & Roman sweatdrop Kind of the same. We touched on the Egyptian belief system and I think the Greeks and Romans all got lumped into one when we covered that. I think it's a bit odd that we don't cover more Nordic stuff, given the heritage of so many people in the US.
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:20 am
from what i recall, teh Greek and Romans believed that the river Styx went down into Hades, the realm of Hades/Pluto the god of Death, Wealth, and the Underground. it was a place where the average dead reside.
Carceri was a dark Realm in the back of Hades where the wicked faced infinate torture that was often poetic justice repeating itself for eternite.
and Elysium was the final resting place for those of pure and noble heart, a realm of eternal spring, where good food, fun sport, and all the festivities one can dream for are.
finally, those who have proven themslves true heroes could ascend to Mount Olympus and reside wth the gods.
now, if we take this metaphorically, it seems VERY akin to the Norse mythology of afterlife. With Hades being like Hel, Carceri like the dark place of Nifleheim, Elysium like Asgard or perhaps Alfheim, and Mount Olympus matching the belief of residing in the hall of one's patron or matron deity.
my own idea of the afterlife is a little out there, and very New Age... sweatdrop
our souls and brain are linked by our minds. when we die, a piece of our soul sepperates from the rest but maintains a connection via the bridge that is our mind. the main soul then reincarnates in a new life. our past lives guide us through each life if we listen to them and connect with them, and in this way we grow and learn by living physical life after physical life, maybe forever or maybe just until we are enlightened enough to live as purely spiritual beings. it is even possible that maybe this is how some people ascend to godhood, just a theory.
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:36 am
Chieftain Twilight from what i recall, teh Greek and Romans believed that the river Styx went down into Hades, the realm of Hades/Pluto the god of Death, Wealth, and the Underground. it was a place where the average dead reside. Carceri was a dark Realm in the back of Hades where the wicked faced infinate torture that was often poetic justice repeating itself for eternite. and Elysium was the final resting place for those of pure and noble heart, a realm of eternal spring, where good food, fun sport, and all the festivities one can dream for are. finally, those who have proven themslves true heroes could ascend to Mount Olympus and reside wth the gods. now, if we take this metaphorically, it seems VERY akin to the Norse mythology of afterlife. With Hades being like Hel, Carceri like the dark place of Nifleheim, Elysium like Asgard or perhaps Alfheim, and Mount Olympus matching the belief of residing in the hall of one's patron or matron deity. my own idea of the afterlife is a little out there, and very New Age... sweatdrop our souls and brain are linked by our minds. when we die, a piece of our soul sepperates from the rest but maintains a connection via the bridge that is our mind. the main soul then reincarnates in a new life. our past lives guide us through each life if we listen to them and connect with them, and in this way we grow and learn by living physical life after physical life, maybe forever or maybe just until we are enlightened enough to live as purely spiritual beings. it is even possible that maybe this is how some people ascend to godhood, just a theory. Why would I strive to synchronize Nordic beliefs and the Roman and Greek beliefs? Yea they sound similar on the surface...but I think it's probably a bit disrespectful to simply equate one culture's convention with that of another. I would say that Mt Olympus would be closer to Valhol than a given deity's hall. Heroes go to Mt Olympus; heroes go to Valhol. From the bit of lore that supports one going to the hall of their respective patron, one only needs a strong bond with their deity.
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:04 am
Violet Song jat Shariff Chieftain Twilight from what i recall, teh Greek and Romans believed that the river Styx went down into Hades, the realm of Hades/Pluto the god of Death, Wealth, and the Underground. it was a place where the average dead reside. Carceri was a dark Realm in the back of Hades where the wicked faced infinate torture that was often poetic justice repeating itself for eternite. and Elysium was the final resting place for those of pure and noble heart, a realm of eternal spring, where good food, fun sport, and all the festivities one can dream for are. finally, those who have proven themslves true heroes could ascend to Mount Olympus and reside wth the gods. now, if we take this metaphorically, it seems VERY akin to the Norse mythology of afterlife. With Hades being like Hel, Carceri like the dark place of Nifleheim, Elysium like Asgard or perhaps Alfheim, and Mount Olympus matching the belief of residing in the hall of one's patron or matron deity. my own idea of the afterlife is a little out there, and very New Age... sweatdrop our souls and brain are linked by our minds. when we die, a piece of our soul sepperates from the rest but maintains a connection via the bridge that is our mind. the main soul then reincarnates in a new life. our past lives guide us through each life if we listen to them and connect with them, and in this way we grow and learn by living physical life after physical life, maybe forever or maybe just until we are enlightened enough to live as purely spiritual beings. it is even possible that maybe this is how some people ascend to godhood, just a theory. Why would I strive to synchronize Nordic beliefs and the Roman and Greek beliefs? Yea they sound similar on the surface...but I think it's probably a bit disrespectful to simply equate one culture's convention with that of another. I would say that Mt Olympus would be closer to Valhol than a given deity's hall. Heroes go to Mt Olympus; heroes go to Valhol. From the bit of lore that supports one going to the hall of their respective patron, one only needs a strong bond with their deity. i suppose so. i appologize, i don't mean to disrespect. i was only theorizing that there is perhaps a common link there.
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