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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:38 am
I would like to know peoples' opinions on the commonly referred to "Jihadi"; the extremists seen to many as terrorists.
If you look back in history, these extremists are living irony. When Islam was rising to power they accepted Christians and Jewish people more or less (as far as I know) also believed in a single, supreme God.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:43 am
I visited a small Nubian community near Aswan, Egypt and met this family who had told us that they used to be Christian until the Turks came in and forced their grandparents to revert to Islam.
The extremist Muslims annoy me just as much as Christian extremists and Chabad Lubavitchers.
It's silly but there will always be conflict in the ME, always. There's no resolution.
No, Islam did not accept Christians and Jews. Jews are absolutely not tolerated in ME countries outside of Israel. I have to take my chai off whenever I'm in the ME and I tried to get into a synagogue this summer but wasn't able to get into it, regardless of my religiosity, because it was bombed six months ago.
Don't get me wrong, I have many wonderful Muslim friends, but extremist anything really ruins the experience.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:59 am
Wow, you really have first hand experience with all this.
I hate to say it, but there will probably always be conflict everywhere.
I wasn't talking about now, by the way. I was talking about Islam's first rise to power in the ME. But the way I was taught could always be wrong, I'm stating what I've learned thus far.
I have Muslim friends too. Not as many as you because there just plain aren't many where I live. One of them, Dani. Is the toughest guy I've ever met. We play football together and Hell Week is right in the middle of Ramadan. He hung in there just as well, if not better, than most of us without a drop of water all day.
And I've never heard about Chabad Lubavitchers. Would you mind telling me a little about them?
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:08 am
Korn On A Stik Wow, you really have first hand experience with all this. I hate to say it, but there will probably always be conflict everywhere. I wasn't talking about now, by the way. I was talking about Islam's first rise to power in the ME. But the way I was taught could always be wrong, I'm stating what I've learned thus far. I have Muslim friends too. Not as many as you because there just plain aren't many where I live. One of them, Dani. Is the toughest guy I've ever met. We play football together and Hell Week is right in the middle of Ramadan. He hung in there just as well, if not better, than most of us without a drop of water all day. And I've never heard about Chabad Lubavitchers. Would you mind telling me a little about them? Considering I was talking about the Turks a few generations ago forcing the Nubians to convert to Islam kinda suggests that they weren't tolerant when rising to power. Thankfully, Turkey is a secular country today, however, the government is fundamentalist. Turkey is 98% Muslim. Islam forced people to convert, just as Christians forced people (particularly Spanish Jews [you bastards] to convert to Christianity) in the beginning of Westernisation. Depending on what country you are in, you will get a different experience. Most people cannot understand that Islam differs greatly. There's the Muslim religion and what the Q'ran teaches and then there's culture. I find Egyptian men were grabby and rude towards me but Jordanian men were sweet and extremely helpful. Go into Palestine and I bet there will be tension. I had a horrible experience crossing into another country the morning Israel bombed Gaza in December. I'm not a Jew but I could pass as a stereotypical Sephardic Jew. In anycase, you can't lump all of Islam together, it's extremely complex. Islam refers to all of the Muslims in the world, it's a nation of people, but within this nation there are different sets of laws, customs, traditions and countries. The Chabad Lubavitchers are a sect of Orthodox Jews, they're you're fundamentalists of the Jewish world.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:30 am
Well it seems that you went on quite the tour of the western portion of the ME.
And I find your statement "I'm not a Jew but I could pass as a stereotypical Sephardic Jew" rather intriguing. Earlier in one of the other discussions you said you were Jewish. Now you say you're not exactly Jewish, but kind of are. Would you mind explaining your faith to me, I really am intrigued.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:35 am
Korn On A Stik Well it seems that you went on quite the tour of the western portion of the ME. And I find your statement "I'm not a Jew but I could pass as a stereotypical Sephardic Jew" rather intriguing. Earlier in one of the other discussions you said you were Jewish. Now you say you're not exactly Jewish, but kind of are. Would you mind explaining your faith to me, I really am intrigued. I never claimed to be Jewish. I said I follow Judaism. I long for the day that I am a 100% halachally perscribed kosher Jew.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:37 am
In Medias Res IV Korn On A Stik Well it seems that you went on quite the tour of the western portion of the ME. And I find your statement "I'm not a Jew but I could pass as a stereotypical Sephardic Jew" rather intriguing. Earlier in one of the other discussions you said you were Jewish. Now you say you're not exactly Jewish, but kind of are. Would you mind explaining your faith to me, I really am intrigued. I never claimed to be Jewish. I said I follow Judaism. Now you've got me scratching my head. If you follow Judaism, believe in the teachings of the Torah, then would you not be Jewish?
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:38 am
Korn On A Stik In Medias Res IV Korn On A Stik Well it seems that you went on quite the tour of the western portion of the ME. And I find your statement "I'm not a Jew but I could pass as a stereotypical Sephardic Jew" rather intriguing. Earlier in one of the other discussions you said you were Jewish. Now you say you're not exactly Jewish, but kind of are. Would you mind explaining your faith to me, I really am intrigued. I never claimed to be Jewish. I said I follow Judaism. Now you've got me scratching my head. If you follow Judaism, believe in the teachings of the Torah, then would you not be Jewish? Nope. Unlike Christianity you do not need to be Jewish to be a person in good standing with God. You do not need to be Jewish to get into heaven, you simply don't need to be Jewish. Therefore, after a minimum of two years of study, a beth din and a mikveh, you are declared Jewish. However, finding a rabbi to convert you is extremely difficult.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:47 am
I'd like to drop ALL technicality here for a moment. Now in your heart, without any technical boundaries, customary requirements, ect., what do you consider yourself from a religious standpoint. According to YOU, and no one else, what do you say you believe in?
I'm sorry if I'm over pursuing the topic, but I feel that sometimes all the technical jumbo just jumbles up understanding and bars away straight up, to the point answers.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:53 am
Korn On A Stik I'd like to drop ALL technicality here for a moment. Now in your heart, without any technical boundaries, customary requirements, ect., what do you consider yourself from a religious standpoint. According to YOU, and no one else, what do you say you believe in? I'm sorry if I'm over pursuing the topic, but I feel that sometimes all the technical jumbo just jumbles up understanding and bars away straight up, to the point answers. I'm a Jew. I'm a Jew with all of my heart. I'm a daughter of Zion, of Israel. But it doesn't work that way. Under Jewish law I am forbidden to call myself a Jew.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:58 am
There we go. Thank you.
And I'm aware. I hope that you will soon be able to meet the requirements that will make you truly Jewish in the eyes of the Synagogue. (Unless that's not what you want. But seeing the evidence before me, I deduct you do.)
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:19 am
For the record Jihad is a last defense. So I'm told what the translation is. It didn't have to do anything with terrorists originally but i guess now Jihad refers to terrorists.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:45 pm
Zslone2 For the record Jihad is a last defense. So I'm told what the translation is. It didn't have to do anything with terrorists originally but i guess now Jihad refers to terrorists. As I've said before, it seems that people in this guild are almost overly technical; looking at definition instead of meaning. What I'm talking about here is in no way the DEFINITION of Jihad, but of the extremists commonly know (at least here in the States) Jihadis. I'm not completely sure if those extremist call themselves Jihadis, but they are what I'm talking about.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:45 pm
Jihad is fighting in the cause of Allah SWT and Allah SWT only. In a nutshell, for into Jihad for anything other than the sake of Allah SWT will straight out nullify the Jihad of the Muslim. It's a glorious-less, low down, die hard commitment, fighting against the oppression of your deen. It will not pay your bills, get your kids through college, and if you are married, you might as well get use to the idea for your widow remarrying after you die. Also Jihad is not suicide. You fight to see another day and if you are about to die, your enemies must kill you not your own hand. If they capture you, you still cant kill yourself.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:27 pm
Asalamu Alyakum Jihad doesnt just mean that u fight in war it means u struggle against evil Jihad of war it the least important the other Jihad of speech, of listening, of seeing, and of touching is much more important
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