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 Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:16 pm
This too is sacred I have been a lazy, inactive SOB for the past few months thanks to not having a job and being out of school. Taking Gabe for walks around the block has not cut it, and gaming twice a week with all the yummyness that entails didn't help. Since I've moved to Tbay I've discovered my school is about a 45-1hour walk and have done it 3 times. Each time I've gotten home slightly sweaty (thanks to 20C weather and sun), and the distance. It's not a difficult walk by any stretch of the word, but it does go to show how out of shape I am.
So often in the thread we defend and try to exhort the Good Fatties, those of us who are vegetarians, work out regularly, are healthy and in good shape. We don't need the negative publicity of 'bad fatties' there, so any of our 'bad' behaviours we keep out of it. It's not entirely honest, is it? Shouldn't we be able to take the good with the bad? Tell me what you think. love as thou wilt
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:53 pm
so what your saying is that you try to focus on the good but inherently your bad due to what comes with "being fat"?
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:38 pm
This too is sacred I can imagine that I'd be seen as one of the 'bad fatties' for my inactivity. I do try to focus on the good, on the healthy, on the 'acceptable' fat people and issues in the thread, but here in the guild I feel less threatened/more comfortable so I think it's safe to explore the ideas of 'good' and 'bad' fat people, and 'acceptable' fat. love as thou wilt
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:01 pm
It's like the whole "If you're thin, you can walk down the street eating a box of donuts and nobody bats an eye; if you're fat, you can't eat a carrot stick in public but someone judges you" thing. There's this stigma that comes with fat, and that's that everything you do is held up as a reason you're fat (or a "good fatty" thing if it's the kind of thing you're supposed to do to reduce your weight).
I've got to say I agree that it isn't completely honest - but more to the point, refusing to acknowledge that you do, occasionally, eat junk food or choose not to go to the gym sort of plays into fat-haters' hands, doesn't it? It defines you on their terms. If these behaviours are the "good" ones, it's because they're the ones that are supposed to lead to weight loss. It uses the same value system that says fat = bad.
Anyway, my skinny-assed husband behaves like a stereotypical "bad fatty" - he gobbles down pop, bacon, and cereal that is colours not found in nature, he loathes deliberate physical exercise, and he doesn't get antsy at all at the prospect of sitting around watching tv all day. But he weighs little enough that his last doctor accused him of having an eating disorder. Therefore, if someone caught him scarfing down a pop tart and making a grilled cheese sandwich AFTER having already had dinner, they wouldn't think "tsk... fatty" they way they would if he was twice his weight. So why should it be fine if he does it, but bad if a fat person does? Can't it be fine no matter who does it, or bad no matter who does it? Can we divorce the actions from the fat shame?
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eikocarol212 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:51 pm
kerminatrix It's like the whole "If you're thin, you can walk down the street eating a box of donuts and nobody bats an eye; if you're fat, you can't eat a carrot stick in public but someone judges you" thing. There's this stigma that comes with fat, and that's that everything you do is held up as a reason you're fat (or a "good fatty" thing if it's the kind of thing you're supposed to do to reduce your weight). I've got to say I agree that it isn't completely honest - but more to the point, refusing to acknowledge that you do, occasionally, eat junk food or choose not to go to the gym sort of plays into fat-haters' hands, doesn't it? It defines you on their terms. If these behaviours are the "good" ones, it's because they're the ones that are supposed to lead to weight loss. It uses the same value system that says fat = bad. Anyway, my skinny-assed husband behaves like a stereotypical "bad fatty" - he gobbles down pop, bacon, and cereal that is colours not found in nature, he loathes deliberate physical exercise, and he doesn't get antsy at all at the prospect of sitting around watching tv all day. But he weighs little enough that his last doctor accused him of having an eating disorder. Therefore, if someone caught him scarfing down a pop tart and making a grilled cheese sandwich AFTER having already had dinner, they wouldn't think "tsk... fatty" they way they would if he was twice his weight. So why should it be fine if he does it, but bad if a fat person does? Can't it be fine no matter who does it, or bad no matter who does it? Can we divorce the actions from the fat shame? Unfortunately we can't, because we have villainized fat. Fat is the root of all evil in the world according to so many reports, causing countless diseases, creating global warming, it's as bad as rape according to Meme Roth.... rolleyes Being fat is the same as being a complete failure, because you have "allowed yourself to get that way." We have a disordered thinking about weight, because we believe that we have 100% control over it, which is false. Hence why when we do say "Yeah, I exercise, and I'm STILL fat" people say "You are lying, you don't do all of that. You'd be SKINNY if you did all of that..." We have been worshipping thin so much lately that we have forgotten that fat IS a beauty symbol. Plenty of artists painted plus sized women. But of course people are going to say that the women of the past looked like Twiggy...NOT.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:59 pm
I think the concept is stupid BS. People are people.
As far as I'm concerned, there are no 'good' or 'bad' fatties. Just people. Some people are active, others are lazy. Some like 'healthful' foods, others like 'junk'. Some are insanely healthy, others have medical issues. It doesn't make anyone better or worse than others. I get frustrated when people are categorized like that.
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:29 pm
i'm glad someone pointed it out
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:20 am
I'm a "bad fattie." But whatever. Just because I am doesn't mean all the fatties are. And I've got about the same habits as my ultra-skinny friend. So. Whatever.
We had a comedian on campus the other night who was talking about basically the same thing, but with black people--and gay people. That the super gay people make it hard for the regular gay people to reach out to people and try to get equality. The really "ghetto" black people make it hard for "regular" black people to do the same. It could probably be considered the same with "bad fatties."
People like to see the extremes, the media loves to exploit the extremes and the fear/anger of their audience. So all gay people are super gay, all black people are "ghetto," and all fatties are "bad fatties."
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:23 pm
Nayva I That the super gay people make it hard for the regular gay people to reach out to people and try to get equality. The really "ghetto" black people make it hard for "regular" black people to do the same."Regular" meaning "most like white people" or "most like straight people," I guess. I mean, I'm not lashing out at you here, I'm just pointing out what these stereotypes are really saying. So if you want to get rights as a group other than the one in power, you have to act like the power group. I have to say, I don't love that idea - I mean, it just reinforces the idea that that group is the "right" group, the "normal" group, and everyone else is abnormal. You could take the same thing with size, too - "normal" is moderately slender, even though that isn't normal in a sense of averages, so if you want to be accepted, you have to do "thin behaviours" like exercising a lot and eating really healthy food. If you do "fat behaviours," no rights for you! Boo erns to THAT right now, I say.
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:51 pm
Exactly. Thank you. Lovely extrapolation.
Sorry, my brain's a little... only-half-there...
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:19 pm
kerminatrix So if you want to get rights as a group other than the one in power, you have to act like the power group. I have to say, I don't love that idea - I mean, it just reinforces the idea that that group is the "right" group, the "normal" group, and everyone else is abnormal.
I think Kermie needs a prize for that one; you've really hit the nail on the head. 3nodding Well said, and simply repeated for emphasis.
love as thou wilt
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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:02 pm
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eikocarol212 Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:45 pm
Nayva I 'm a "bad fattie." But whatever. Just because I am doesn't mean all the fatties are. And I've got about the same habits as my ultra-skinny friend. So. Whatever.
We had a comedian on campus the other night who was talking about basically the same thing, but with black people--and gay people. That the super gay people make it hard for the regular gay people to reach out to people and try to get equality. The really "ghetto" black people make it hard for "regular" black people to do the same. It could probably be considered the same with "bad fatties."
People like to see the extremes, the media loves to exploit the extremes and the fear/anger of their audience. So all gay people are super gay, all black people are "ghetto," and all fatties are "bad fatties."Thing is, "bad fatties" ARE the "normal" fatties in this society. You are fat due to your own due process. If they put it out there that fat people are active and are athletes, but not thin, someone would have an aneurysm.
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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:12 am
Just posting to say... I AM FATICUS! lol And still a 'bad' fatty. I *want* to work out simply because I love to move my body and would like to see what it's capable of if I really pushed it, but honestly, I'm afraid too. I'm afraid to fail, I'm afraid that even if I do start working out I wont see a difference, but then, why would I be looking for a difference, physically? I would be. I can tell myself that "Yeah, I just want to be able to run a mile or climb a rope or go hiking all day" but in my secret heart of hearts, I want to not be so fat. And hell, I'm not even that fat. I'm a 'small fat'. I have just contradicted myself. I don't work out because I'm afraid that I wont get thin(ner). So I don't work out. BLAH. I accept me 99% of the time. Today is the 1% day.
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