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Crillia

PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:03 pm


Since I'd really rather avoid all the Drama I would cause on my main Live journal I'm going to post it here. If it doesn't belong here or doesn't even belong in the guild. please let me know.

When I moved to a bigger city... well Toronto. I join "gta_Lolita" which is the local community in Toronto meaning "Greater Toronto Area". I went to a local convention, met some nice people and so on. But recently I noticed how horrible some of the people are. When I went of "Gtfo" (for those of you who know it) there was a post by another girl in my community about my now good friend Jackie.

Here are some of the GTFO "worthy" things she did.

Wore a Offbrand dress with polyester lace, and deleted a rude comment. Makes things and sells them. ALSO she asked two questions on her local community.

Now with normal people, it would have to happen again and again and again for some one to get annoyed. But not this chick (Vanity), it was more like she was just looking for drama and someone to hate. She started thread to when Jackie "deleted a comment"

Jackie was suggested a bodyline order and this girl "Aya" said it would be cheaper go through an order in the U.S . Turns shipping doesn't only deliver Lolita and my friend had experience with large orders. When you ship with an professional company, they will make exceptions for you. They wrote down every item in the package to avoid customs. Which worked, but they still acted like she was a noob who new nothing. When they new nothing themselves.

Then she invited a man who goes by the name of Cindy to a picnic. He is into Lolita and also fetish, but knows the difference between the two. The community didn't want him to come... It was heartbreaking because if you know even a little about cross dressing or even fetish it's not all about sex. I grew up with alot of transsexuals/drag-queens. They think of themselves as women and want to fit in. He didn't want to come to "have sex with us" because that's not what Lolita is about.

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The only thing I do understand was that there were younger girls going to be at the meet up. The girls didn't want there mothers thinking it was fetish. Still, that is no reason to hate someone who invites him is it?

The ironic part is that the women who was "concerned" about the younger girls is a 45 year old women also into fetish.

Well Jackie apologized for all that she did, and took all the fault. Even though where was nothing to apologize for in my view.

Well apparently this was the last straw, they are making a whole new comm just to get rid of her... which was the most excessive think I think anyones ever done on one of these communities.

Here's another ironic part, the new leader of community is 10x worse then she is. She had one Lolita dress and died it black. it turn out navy blue with the threads still white. The lace was also horrid as well. She also wears cat years to Lolita meet ups, not "attached to a hood" cat years but full on brown fuzzy head band cat ears

I really don't want to be part of a local comm like that. But I don't want to miss out on other great people either.

I have no idea what do about the situation, what do you think?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:40 am


A. I think this is more appropriate for a personal journal, not for a lolita community. I'm sorry you've had bad experience on the internet, but is it really appropriate to be posting about it here? o_o;

B. In relation to what you said, however:

+Firstly, one does not speak of getoffegl outside of getoffegl. Its an unwritten rule of the loli comms (Its our version of the fight club).

+Secondly, you posted you/your friend's side of the story. When I read the getoff link you posted, I learned that your friend stirred up some drama on the comms apparently. Upon reading up the comments of the comm's side of the story, I have to side with them on it :/

+Deleting comments on LJ is considered rude. Unless the comment was downright insulting your friend, it shouldn't have been deleted. Your friend could easily have ignored the comment or have replied politely that she had done large orders before and knew what she was doing and continue with the GO.

+Though it is kind of your friend to be open to everyone, if there are younger lolits present she really would have had to think carefully about bringing in an (older, I assume) male to a meetup. I don't think your friend deserved to be "hated", as you put it. Personally, if I were in her shoes I would have invited Cindy to a meetup with an appropriate age minimum, not one with minors.

+I don't agree with an anti!user community, but again, can't your friend just ignore it? Lay low for a while and slowly integrate herself back into the comm.

rokkenrou

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Crillia

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 12:52 am


- ROKKeNROU -
A. I think this is more appropriate for a personal journal, not for a lolita community. I'm sorry you've had bad experience on the internet, but is it really appropriate to be posting about it here? o_o;

B. In relation to what you said, however:
+Deleting comments on LJ is considered rude. Unless the comment was downright insulting your friend, it shouldn't have been deleted. Your friend could easily have ignored the comment or have replied politely that she had done large orders before and knew what she was doing and continue with the GO.

+Though it is kind of your friend to be open to everyone, if there are younger lolits present she really would have had to think carefully about bringing in an (older, I assume) male to a meetup. I don't think your friend deserved to be "hated", as you put it. Personally, if I were in her shoes I would have invited Cindy to a meetup with an appropriate age minimum, not one with minors.

+I don't agree with an anti!user community, but again, can't your friend just ignore it? Lay low for a while and slowly integrate herself back into the comm.


A.) I put it hear because I wanted feed back from people in the Lolita community, not just my friends and what not.

Yes the comment was rude,

B.) I completely agree, but then again when I say young girls I mean 13 is the youngest. Old enough to understand a man in womens clothing.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:07 am


Kimira Sorrii


A.) I put it hear because I wanted feed back from people in the Lolita community, not just my friends and what not.

Yes the comment was rude,

B.) I completely agree, but then again when I say young girls I mean 13 is the youngest. Old enough to understand a man in womens clothing.

+Rude is subjective. Was it insulting? Offensive? Spam?
If not then it should be left there. Someone didn't agree. It happens.

+13 is still a minor. They may understand, but their parents may not approve. What if the minors were uncomfortable? What if they went without telling their parents who later found out there was a crossdressing male older then their daughters present? I know at 13 I wouldn't have minded if I knew he wasn't in it for sex, but I know for sure my parents would've shat bricks if they learned who was coming.

Other points that were edited after you replied:
+One does not speak of getoffegl outside of getoffegl. Its like an unwritten rule of the loli comms (Its our version of the fight club) ;3

and

+You posted you/your friend's side of the story. When I read the getoff link you posted, I learned that your friend brought some negative attention to herself on the comms apparently. Upon reading up the comments of the comm's side of the story, I have to side with them on some of the things held against your friend.

rokkenrou

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Crillia

PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:46 am


My problem is that I just don't like how these things were handled. If they at ANY point in there time tried to understand her point of view this could have been avoided. It wasn't as if she was a troll or anything who posted for attention and was completely rude to everyone. She just stood up for herself.

Of course I could see why some of the girls would be angry.

I just don't know what to do about it, I haven't don't anything bad towards them or anyone in the comm. How can I be nice to people who would be so mean behind my back...

Like making a whole new community just to avoid her, that is WAY over the top.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:22 am


Honestly, this is more suited to your personal journal.

It is a horrible situation for you and your friend, but posting it here, for people who are uninvolved in the situation, is pretty much just as bad as posting it onto a wank community, due to the title and the bias in the post. If you have a problem with your local community, you should take it to them and talk to them about it, not come to strangers to air the dirty laundry.


Sorry, but I'm going to lock this thread, so that you can see this comment. I'll move it later so that it's off the front page.

[edit]: I also want to note that in posting here, you won't necessarily be "avoiding all the drama" of posting it to livejournal. Most of our members have accounts there, and are also members of EGL. So. Your story isn't exactly as anonymous as you probably were hoping. I'm actually pretty sure I know exactly who you're talking about when you mention your friend.

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