Serious question

[L Ahkmill]

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Just because you are raised a Christian and claim you are Christian, that does not make you a Christian. When a person really has Christ in their hearts, it shows. They try their best to be kind and loving as Christ himself was and is.  

[comfylove]

This is sincerely what I believe:

In Medias Res IV

If I am a religious person.

Cool, me too.

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If I am a good person.

I do not believe that a "good person" exists currently, but that one good person existed. Yeah, you know who I mean, of course. XD We're all sinners, we all fall short of the glory and righteousness of God. We all mess up and do things we're not supposed to, even if God is in our hearts, and that is why I do not think that there is such thing as a "good person." I would rather think a redeemed person, or a repentant person.

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If I am a humble person.

I believe that saying you're humble automatically makes you proud.

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If I am a modest person.

I believe that saying you're modest also automatically makes you proud.

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If I bring many positives into the world.

I believe saying this makes you proud, even if it's true.

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If I help others.

I'm glad you do.

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If I give to others.

Hurray!

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If I don't condemn others and believe everyone has their own path in life.

I agree that this is a good thing. No one should condemn anyone, or really hold any judgment. We're not God.

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If I love G-d with all my heart,

Same here! =D


But I don't think that those things have to make you a Christian. Honestly, I would say that all of those things just makes you a believer, and redeemed.  

[In Medias Res IV]

Comfortably, this isn't about what makes someone a Christian..  

[In Medias Res IV]

Ahkmill

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Just because you are raised a Christian and claim you are Christian, that does not make you a Christian. When a person really has Christ in their hearts, it shows. They try their best to be kind and loving as Christ himself was and is.

Been there, done that. Jesus just didn't do it for me.

Anyways, the idea is that if you believe in Jesus, you are saved. Hitler would have been saved by Christian doctrine and thus, in heaven.  

[Tirissana]

In Medias Res IV

Ahkmill

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Just because you are raised a Christian and claim you are Christian, that does not make you a Christian. When a person really has Christ in their hearts, it shows. They try their best to be kind and loving as Christ himself was and is.

Been there, done that. Jesus just didn't do it for me.

Anyways, the idea is that if you believe in Jesus, you are saved. Hitler would have been saved by Christian doctrine and thus, in heaven.

That's debatable. He did order the deaths of many people and committed suicide after all.  

[quietstorm 2]

In Medias Res IV

If I am a religious person.
If I am a good person.
If I am a humble person.
If I am a modest person.
If I bring many positives into the world.
If I help others.
If I give to others.
If I don't condemn others and believe everyone has their own path in life.
If I love G-d with all my heart,

Why must I be a Christian?

What exactly is Jesus going to do that hasn't been done already in my life aside from "saving" me from a doctrine that I don't believe in to begin with?

I don't know that you have to be a Christian because that can mean so many differant things dedpending on denominations, belief and etc; but I do believe you have to have a relationship with GOD for salvation.  

[Semiremis]

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Nope, he definitely wasn't a big fan.

"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." Goebbels said that. He was one of Hitlers closest associates.  

[Semiremis]

In Medias Res IV

Ahkmill

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Just because you are raised a Christian and claim you are Christian, that does not make you a Christian. When a person really has Christ in their hearts, it shows. They try their best to be kind and loving as Christ himself was and is.

Been there, done that. Jesus just didn't do it for me.

Anyways, the idea is that if you believe in Jesus, you are saved. Hitler would have been saved by Christian doctrine and thus, in heaven.

Not quite:

Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’  

[Gornwen]

Ahkmill

I also do live in the present, actually. I have Jesus, but my boyfriend is usually my top priority, because he's the one who's always there for me. <3

That reminds me of my boyfriend's comment that:

"My atheist polar bear can beat up your God lion. The atheist polar bear is there when you need him. The God lion you have to wait around and he probably won't show up anyways."  

[In Medias Res IV]

Semiremis

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Nope, he definitely wasn't a big fan.

"The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." Goebbels said that. He was one of Hitlers closest associates.

Source?  

[In Medias Res IV]

Semiremis

In Medias Res IV

Ahkmill

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Just because you are raised a Christian and claim you are Christian, that does not make you a Christian. When a person really has Christ in their hearts, it shows. They try their best to be kind and loving as Christ himself was and is.

Been there, done that. Jesus just didn't do it for me.

Anyways, the idea is that if you believe in Jesus, you are saved. Hitler would have been saved by Christian doctrine and thus, in heaven.

Not quite:

Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

So Jews get into heaven because they know Adonai, as do Muslims.  

[Mei tsuki7]

My beliefs in a nutshell:

All religions pray to the same higher being(s) they just see it/them in different ways.

The same thing happens to all people when they die. As in everyone is judged for their transgressions and let into paradise, the next plane of existence etc, everyone is reincarnated, everyone ceases to exist, etc.

If we are judged after death doing good is what will save you not believing in one certain religion.

Everyone should help others because that is life's purpose.


You know why those beliefs rule? I never have to worry about if I'm subscribing to the wrong religion like I bet some of you do.  

[Gornwen]

In Medias Res IV

Semiremis

In Medias Res IV

Ahkmill

Sanguina Cruenta

Ahkmill

Hitler is not in heaven, so you can rest easy. And no, he was not Christian. He could have claimed to be a Christian, but if Christ is really in your life, you're doing anything BUT killing millions of Jews.

This is a No True Scotsman, yes? I'm not up with the logical fallacies.

Hitler was raised Roman Catholic and he supported the Positive Christianity movement. (Ironic title, no?) As I understand it he wasn't a big fan of Christianity as a whole but still.

Just because you are raised a Christian and claim you are Christian, that does not make you a Christian. When a person really has Christ in their hearts, it shows. They try their best to be kind and loving as Christ himself was and is.

Been there, done that. Jesus just didn't do it for me.

Anyways, the idea is that if you believe in Jesus, you are saved. Hitler would have been saved by Christian doctrine and thus, in heaven.

Not quite:

Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

So Jews get into heaven because they know Adonai, as do Muslims.

That's how I understand it.
Broaden it out a little bit, though, if people can each others' value as a human and part of this world, and act on it then there is salvation.

But, really, it is presumptuous of me to try to fathom what happens after we die. I do not have that knowledge, nor will I ever claim to.  

[rmcdra]

Also from a mystic's point of view, following a religion because of a promise for what will happen when you die kinda blocks the relationship with one's god/s. To be honest, yeah I have scriptures telling me how to get to Heaven but I'm starting to think that Heaven isn't necessarily a place one goes when they die but rather a state one achieves.

As for the afterlife, I've come to terms with that. I know that tradition teaches me that I will go to Hell for taking the views that I have but I accept that what ever judgment God has for me I will accept because I have faith that I am following the path that I am needed to.  

[In Medias Res IV]

rmcdra

Also from a mystic's point of view, following a religion because of a promise for what will happen when you die kinda blocks the relationship with one's god/s. To be honest, yeah I have scriptures telling me how to get to Heaven but I'm starting to think that Heaven isn't necessarily a place one goes when they die but rather a state one achieves.

As for the afterlife, I've come to terms with that. I know that tradition teaches me that I will go to Hell for taking the views that I have but I accept that what ever judgment God has for me I will accept because I have faith that I am following the path that I am needed to.

EXACTLY! heart

G-d gave us the tools to live in heaven, on earth. This is heaven. This is the only heaven we know of for sure so we better make the best of it.