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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:32 pm
"Written by his contemporatires, The Lost Gospel Q brings us closer to the historical figure of Jesus then ever before. A sacred handbook for his followers, it is a window into the world of ancient Christianity. Based on sayings in Jesus' own language, it was eventually incorperated into the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. Then it disappeared. Lost for 2000 years, no copy of this Gospel has ever been found. But for the past 150 years, historians have been rediscovering the fragments." From the back of The Lost Gospel Q: The original sayings of Jesus. Introduction by Thomas Moore, and Edited by Marcus Borg. "The Q document or Q (from the German Quelle, "source") is a postulated lost textual source for the Gospel of Matthew and Gospel of Luke. It is a theoretical collection of Jesus' sayings, written in Greek. Although many scholars believe that "Q" was a real document, no actual document or fragment has been found." From WikipediaWhat do you think of the Gospel Q? Do you think that Matthew and Luke used Q as a source? It is already speculated that Matthew and Luke used Mark. Do you believe that? Here are some nifty little graphs from wiki.  
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:38 pm
No. Mark is the supposed Q for which the others had to base their texts along side. Q is an excuse to bring in new ideas and alterations for modern scholars to add their two cents and fifteen minutes of fame into the debate.
The Gospel of St. Mark was the first text used, brought to us by the disciple of St. Peter. Did the others apply it to their own, for reference? I would assume so, as the first three Gospels are without question Synoptic. St. John's Gospel is of course a stand alone, with much given to Apologetic argument and sound wisdom with insight not seen in the other three. I am biased. I love the Gospel of St. John.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:39 pm
Note: The Gospel Q does not contain Jesus' birth. There is no virgin mary in the gospel Q. It begins with Jesus' baptism in the Jordan.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:42 pm
It sounds like a fascinating discovery. Why do most scholars believe it was a real document, if no traces were found?
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:42 pm
Vasilius Konstantinos No. Mark is the supposed Q for which the others had to base their texts along side. Q is an excuse to bring in new ideas and alterations for modern scholars to add their two cents and fifteen minutes of fame into the debate. The Gospel of St. Mark was the first text used, brought to us by the disciple of St. Peter. Did the others apply it to their own, for reference? I would assume so, as the first three Gospels are without question Synoptic. St. John's Gospel is of course a stand alone, with much given to Apologetic argument and sound wisdom with insight not seen in the other three. I am biased. I love the Gospel of St. John. There are no alterations in Q. It is mainly the scripture that is exactly the same from Matthew and Luke. Also I don't believe in John that much. It is too different from the other three. Did you know that one of the theories is that John was written in response to Thomas?
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:45 pm
Beautiful Propaganda It sounds like a fascinating discovery. Why do most scholars believe it was a real document, if no traces were found? Probably because of such similarities between Matthew and Luke. I'm actually reading Q now and it has commentary on the bottom. It's mainly just the passages that are the same between Matthew and Luke. It gives some greek translations that are fascinating.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:51 pm
Mei tsuki7 Vasilius Konstantinos No. Mark is the supposed Q for which the others had to base their texts along side. Q is an excuse to bring in new ideas and alterations for modern scholars to add their two cents and fifteen minutes of fame into the debate. The Gospel of St. Mark was the first text used, brought to us by the disciple of St. Peter. Did the others apply it to their own, for reference? I would assume so, as the first three Gospels are without question Synoptic. St. John's Gospel is of course a stand alone, with much given to Apologetic argument and sound wisdom with insight not seen in the other three. I am biased. I love the Gospel of St. John. There are no alterations in Q. It is mainly the scripture that is exactly the same from Matthew and Luke. Also I don't believe in John that much. It is too different from the other three. Did you know that one of the theories is that John was written in response to Thomas? Sad that you take St. John's gospel as a discredit. I was not referring to Q as being the one to add or detract. I was referring to modern scholars who use this as a new way to add their own ideas to Scripture, in interpretation and translation. Q has been abused by scholars from even when I was in College studying texts a while ago. I heard of St. Johns Gospel being a replay to the Gospel of St. Thomas. Truth be told its not much of an issue whether it is or not. I will uphold the Gospel of St. John though, for the reason it was placed into Canon by the Early Church Fathers. I wil also uphold the reasons for not placing the Gospel of St. Thomas in the Canon, yet I d find it to be a good read, but not of Canonical text. Mind you I am a lover of the Proto-Evangelion, so I am neither biased in regard top outside Canonical text nor a Sola Scriptura professor.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:58 pm
Mei tsuki7 Beautiful Propaganda It sounds like a fascinating discovery. Why do most scholars believe it was a real document, if no traces were found? Probably because of such similarities between Matthew and Luke. I'm actually reading Q now and it has commentary on the bottom. It's mainly just the passages that are the same between Matthew and Luke. It gives some greek translations that are fascinating. Are the translations saying different things than the English version? Like things that were lost accidentally during translation.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:00 pm
Beautiful Propaganda Mei tsuki7 Beautiful Propaganda It sounds like a fascinating discovery. Why do most scholars believe it was a real document, if no traces were found? Probably because of such similarities between Matthew and Luke. I'm actually reading Q now and it has commentary on the bottom. It's mainly just the passages that are the same between Matthew and Luke. It gives some greek translations that are fascinating. Are the translations saying different things than the English version? Like things that were lost accidentally during translation. They just explain how the hebrew words used mean more than one thing and they explain the other things they mean.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:01 pm
Vasilius Konstantinos Mei tsuki7 Vasilius Konstantinos No. Mark is the supposed Q for which the others had to base their texts along side. Q is an excuse to bring in new ideas and alterations for modern scholars to add their two cents and fifteen minutes of fame into the debate. The Gospel of St. Mark was the first text used, brought to us by the disciple of St. Peter. Did the others apply it to their own, for reference? I would assume so, as the first three Gospels are without question Synoptic. St. John's Gospel is of course a stand alone, with much given to Apologetic argument and sound wisdom with insight not seen in the other three. I am biased. I love the Gospel of St. John. There are no alterations in Q. It is mainly the scripture that is exactly the same from Matthew and Luke. Also I don't believe in John that much. It is too different from the other three. Did you know that one of the theories is that John was written in response to Thomas? Sad that you take St. John's gospel as a discredit. I was not referring to Q as being the one to add or detract. I was referring to modern scholars who use this as a new way to add their own ideas to Scripture, in interpretation and translation. Q has been abused by scholars from even when I was in College studying texts a while ago. I heard of St. Johns Gospel being a replay to the Gospel of St. Thomas. Truth be told its not much of an issue whether it is or not. I will uphold the Gospel of St. John though, for the reason it was placed into Canon by the Early Church Fathers. I wil also uphold the reasons for not placing the Gospel of St. Thomas in the Canon, yet I d find it to be a good read, but not of Canonical text. Mind you I am a lover of the Proto-Evangelion, so I am neither biased in regard top outside Canonical text nor a Sola Scriptura professor. Alright I can see your point. John is not a replay of Thomas it was written to discredit Thomas. Thomas speaks of inner divinity while John speaks of outer divinity.
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:44 pm
That would be kind of interesting to read. I love reading those "missing books" of the bible. I just recently read one called "The Gospel of Judas" It was missing huge chunks out of the paprys in which was translated from, but it was still an interesting point of view.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:12 am
Shadows-shine That would be kind of interesting to read. I love reading those "missing books" of the bible. I just recently read one called "The Gospel of Judas" It was missing huge chunks out of the paprys in which was translated from, but it was still an interesting point of view. The Gospel of Judas was dated to 100 years after the death of Christ. The other Gospels were written within one lifetime of Christ's death, resurrection and ascencion.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:56 am
Imitation Stradivarius Shadows-shine That would be kind of interesting to read. I love reading those "missing books" of the bible. I just recently read one called "The Gospel of Judas" It was missing huge chunks out of the paprys in which was translated from, but it was still an interesting point of view. The Gospel of Judas was dated to 100 years after the death of Christ. The other Gospels were written within one lifetime of Christ's death, resurrection and ascencion. Yes, I did research into the book before I read it, but it was still interesting to read.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:39 am
Shadows-shine Imitation Stradivarius Shadows-shine That would be kind of interesting to read. I love reading those "missing books" of the bible. I just recently read one called "The Gospel of Judas" It was missing huge chunks out of the paprys in which was translated from, but it was still an interesting point of view. The Gospel of Judas was dated to 100 years after the death of Christ. The other Gospels were written within one lifetime of Christ's death, resurrection and ascencion. Yes, I did research into the book before I read it, but it was still interesting to read. I didn't like the fact that the History Channel held it up to the Bible. I didn't watch the show, and I'm not going to read it either...I dont like it when people claim false things are true.
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:03 am
Imitation Stradivarius Shadows-shine Imitation Stradivarius Shadows-shine That would be kind of interesting to read. I love reading those "missing books" of the bible. I just recently read one called "The Gospel of Judas" It was missing huge chunks out of the paprys in which was translated from, but it was still an interesting point of view. The Gospel of Judas was dated to 100 years after the death of Christ. The other Gospels were written within one lifetime of Christ's death, resurrection and ascencion. Yes, I did research into the book before I read it, but it was still interesting to read. I didn't like the fact that the History Channel held it up to the Bible. I didn't watch the show, and I'm not going to read it either...I dont like it when people claim false things are true. I don't have cable so I never saw the show. I don't like it when false things are taken to be true either, but knowledge never hurt any one. There is nothing wrong with reading that book, no one has to accept it as truth.
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