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 Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:14 pm
"Okay, well, last Friday morning, I went and got my first Machzor. So I'll be able to follow along properly on the Rosh Hashannah service but it got me wondering about the type of siddurs people prefer.
My favourite type is Artscroll, although it's American it's the one I grew up with before the Shul chose to change to a completely different type. I've had an Artscroll since my Batmitzvah to use for regular services. I can't think of the right word, lol, it's definitely not "type". Anyway, what's your favourite siddur type(series/publisher - help me out with the correct word, please)?" ---------------------------------------------- --------------ωσσℓιє
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:03 pm
 On the Doorposts Of Your House by Rabbi Chaim Stern It's a reform style prayer book, built for the Hebrew impaired for home use. Since I'm kind of a soloist Jew. This suits me just fine. Also, my copy of the US Military Book of Prayers for the Jewish Soldier, circa 1943, but that's because I'm a bit crazy eccentric.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:12 pm
LordNeuf On the Doorposts Of Your House by Rabbi Chaim Stern It's a reform style prayer book, built for the Hebrew impaired for home use. Since I'm kind of a soloist Jew. This suits me just fine. Also, my copy of the US Military Book of Prayers for the JewiHAT h Soldier, circa 1943, but that's because I'm a bit crazy eccentric. I HAVE THAT BOOK. eek blaugh
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:23 pm
And to answer the question, I like Mishkan Tfilah. http://www.ccarpress.org/mishkan/Quote: CCAR Press is proud to present . . . Mishkan T’filah, the first new Siddur for the North American Reform Movement in more than thirty years. Including services for Shabbat, weekdays and festivals, as well as other occasions of public worship, and texts for more than a hundred songs, Mishkan T’filah reflects the full diversity of our Movement. This new Siddur includes: Broad selection of readings including beloved passages from our Reform liturgical tradition and great poetic writings from throughout Jewish history Faithful, elegant translations Contemporary, gender-inclusive English Theological and stylistic diversity Extensive commentaries, source notes and usage guides More than 100 contemporary and traditional song texts Choice of transliterated and non-transliterated editions Innovative design in two-page spreads (additional Shabbat services in linear style also included) Two-color printing enhances usability It's a very Reform Prayer book, but it has just about equal Hebrew and English. It's a very progressive book; The right hand pages go in sequence. but the left hand page provide alternative passages for each right page. My old Jewish School had hundreds of copies. We used them in services. I just adore it.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:42 pm
I like to have transliterations for the prayers (any suggestions?) because I like to know what it looks like to pray in Hebrew. Hopefully someday I'll be able to pray in Hebrew and understand. For now I'll stick with English.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:09 pm
Guess what guys? I went to my new school's Tefillah today, and they also use Mishkan Tfilah!!! blaugh 4laugh
It has lots of translierations, kingpinsqueezels.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:51 pm
I shall look it up then.
Say, what makes it a reform siddur? Are there orthodox prayer books too?
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:33 pm
kingpinsqeezels I shall look it up then. Say, what makes it a reform siddur? Are there orthodox prayer books too? Yes, there are. Some distinct reasons it is Reform.. It has no prayers praying for a return to Temple animal sacrifice. In the Avot (Fathers) prayer, it also mentions the Imaot (Mothers). It has alternative wordings for females, like "Bat" in place of "Ben" in certain places. There is English translation, transliteration, and also just original English passages..
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:17 pm
That's very interesting and good to know. Thank you! Plus it segways perfectly into my next question.
Me and my sister recently had a discussion about whether or not Jews still do animal sacrifices. I went online and found a discussion about sacrifice and the questioner (a Christian) asked how the Jews are forgiven of their sins since in the bible it says that is how to atone, and after all not all of us have the luxury of pinning everything on Jesus. The interesting part came when the answerer explained that prayer has replaced animal sacrifice. They do this, he says, by describing what sacrifices in the Temple would have been like. Now, when I was growing up Christian I was under the impression that prayer was basically just a conversation with G-d (or in some peoples case Jesus). How common is this prayer describing sacrifice? How do you pray if you don't mind me asking? Does is suffice to ask G-d for forgiveness and then actually make an effort to change your ways?
Just wondering what you guys had to say about it. I'm long winded, sorry.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:32 am
Small note, although Hebrew is preferable, Hashem is fluent in all languages.
In my house, we have several different brands of siddurim.
Also, we do not do animal sacrifices since they can only be offered in The Temple, as Temple is currently destroyed we cannot offer animal sacrifices.
Yes it is enough to ask for forgiveness (Note: if a person was harmed in any way, you must also get forgiveness from that person as well.) and then improve on your ways.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:57 pm
kingpinsqeezels That's very interesting and good to know. Thank you! Plus it segways perfectly into my next question. Me and my sister recently had a discussion about whether or not Jews still do animal sacrifices. I went online and found a discussion about sacrifice and the questioner (a Christian) asked how the Jews are forgiven of their sins since in the bible it says that is how to atone, and after all not all of us have the luxury of pinning everything on Jesus. The interesting part came when the answerer explained that prayer has replaced animal sacrifice. They do this, he says, by describing what sacrifices in the Temple would have been like. Now, when I was growing up Christian I was under the impression that prayer was basically just a conversation with G-d (or in some peoples case Jesus). How common is this prayer describing sacrifice? How do you pray if you don't mind me asking? Does is suffice to ask G-d for forgiveness and then actually make an effort to change your ways? Just wondering what you guys had to say about it. I'm long winded, sorry. Prayer can be a conversation with G-d, but when repenting through prayer, it is most definately the modern replacement to animal sacrifice. True, there are laws about sacrifice in the Torah, but, like Hateyou said, without a Temple they are null and void. As Jews without a Beit Hamikdash, we do the best we can to compensate with prayer. A lot of the 613 commandments are null and void until we build a third temple, and with the modern Middle Eastern Crises, it's not a good time to start working on that.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:02 am
But have you ever heard of describing animal sacrifice being considered prayer? That's what struck me about the whole thing. I wonder if the person who wrote the article was even Jewish. He explained things really well, but it could be he's a Christian clergymen who learned about Judaism during his training.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2091/why-do-jews-no-longer-sacrifice-animals
I wonder why Christians have such a problem with the Pharisees?
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:42 pm
kingpinsqeezels But have you ever heard of describing animal sacrifice being considered prayer? That's what struck me about the whole thing. I wonder if the person who wrote the article was even Jewish. He explained things really well, but it could be he's a Christian clergymen who learned about Judaism during his training. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2091/why-do-jews-no-longer-sacrifice-animals I wonder why Christians have such a problem with the Pharisees? They love stressing the whole thing about the cross, but they fail to acknowledge that the Romans nailed Jesus to it. Many Chrisitans blame the Pharisees, say that they killed Jesus. Modern Jews are descended from the Pharisees. Yeah, that's where the Jews Killing Jesus lie came from. Actually, the Jews who did not follow Jesus had dothing to do with it. The Romans were coming and the Jews who did follow Jesus warned him and tried to get him out of there. He refused; He wanted to face the torture, believing he had to die for everyone's/his followers' sins. It was the Romans. In fact, the lie didn't start for a while after Jesus died. Th minim, early Christians, were going to Temple and Yeshivas to celebrate Jewish Festivals, as they were still a slowly splitting faction of Judaism. The min leaders didn't like this, so they started the lie which has caused so many deaths.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:52 pm
... A Yeshiva is a school, why would you go there for a holiday?
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:23 pm
hateyou the warlock ... A Yeshiva is a school, why would you go there for a holiday? Isn't it obvious? Many holidays have basis in study. One might go to the Yeshiva before going to a festive celebration for studying. It's pretty common, even today. I'm blanking on which holiday it is, but on one of them it is a mitzvah to study Torah all night; A Yeshivah would be useful for that. Divash, help me out with which holiday that is? Sukkot? Shavuot? I forget.
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