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 Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:47 am
I know this is an old story but I came across an article today that claims that the atheist/freethinker organization that was behind the ads have seen their membership numbers double since the whole ordeal began. Source So does this count as proselytizing for atheists? Because I was told that they didn't do that.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:01 pm
Semiremis I know this is an old story but I came across an article today that claims that the atheist/freethinker organization that was behind the ads have seen their membership numbers double since the whole ordeal began. url=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04]Source So does this count as proselytizing for atheists? Because I was told that they didn't do that.
That's...Interesting...
I only heard of the bus ad thing a little a while ago,and didn't bother looking into it.
Proselytizing...Doesn't really looke like it...
Then again,it sure does...
Hmm...
Would you consider a Christian ad preaching/proselytizing?
I honestly don't know sweatdrop
EDIT:On second thought,I wouldn't really consider either to be proselytizing.It's a way of getting people with similar interests together.
Works especially well when minorities do this,because they're scaterred all over the place but not really numerous in any one place.
I know the number of atheists is steadily growing in North America but hey,we're still a minority!
That said,I don't really hate the idea of the bus ad thing.
I mean,we allow Christian ads like that to be put everywhere and you don't see people complaining about it(I'm sure some do,but who cares what they think).
But,as soon as something that opposes Christianity gets put up(doesn't HAVE to be atheistic,mind you),then you get groups of hardcore Christians protesting against it,making the rest you proper Christians look retarded,and actually giving more attention to said parties they're trying to shut up.
The American Constitution actually states the following:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
God knows(pardon me for saying that) how many times this has been violated,along with every other part of the Constitution that addresses religion.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:17 pm
RPG guy
Semiremis I know this is an old story but I came across an article today that claims that the atheist/freethinker organization that was behind the ads have seen their membership numbers double since the whole ordeal began. url=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04]Source So does this count as proselytizing for atheists? Because I was told that they didn't do that.
That's...Interesting...
I only heard of the bus ad thing a little a while ago,and didn't bother looking into it.
Proselytizing...Doesn't really looke like it...
Then again,it sure does...
Hmm...
Would you consider a Christian ad preaching/proselytizing?
I honestly don't know sweatdrop
In a way I might consider a Christian ad preaching/proselytizing if it was meant to get non-Christians interested in it and draw them in to check out the religion. I was thinking about this whole deal a little more and I don't think it could be proselytizing (with the atheist bus ads) since their intended audience with the signs are other atheists but I guess it still depends on their motives and whether they want to also grab the attention of those who believe in some sort of deity as well. You can't assume that from the sign though.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:21 pm
Semiremis RPG guy
Semiremis I know this is an old story but I came across an article today that claims that the atheist/freethinker organization that was behind the ads have seen their membership numbers double since the whole ordeal began. url=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04]Source So does this count as proselytizing for atheists? Because I was told that they didn't do that.
That's...Interesting...
I only heard of the bus ad thing a little a while ago,and didn't bother looking into it.
Proselytizing...Doesn't really looke like it...
Then again,it sure does...
Hmm...
Would you consider a Christian ad preaching/proselytizing?
I honestly don't know sweatdrop
In a way I might consider a Christian ad preaching/proselytizing if it was meant to get non-Christians interested in it and draw them in to check out the religion. I was thinking about this whole deal a little more and I don't think it could be proselytizing (with the atheist bus ads) since their intended audience with the signs are other atheists but I guess it still depends on their motives and whether they want to also grab the attention of those who believe in some sort of deity as well. You can't assume that from the sign though.
Haha,that's a lot like how I wanted to say it,but I wasn't able to word it out.
I agree.
EDIT:I added more to my first post while you were replying,tell me what you think.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:49 pm
RPG guy Semiremis RPG guy
Semiremis I know this is an old story but I came across an article today that claims that the atheist/freethinker organization that was behind the ads have seen their membership numbers double since the whole ordeal began. url=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04=http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090814/NEWS/908140354/-1/NEWS04]Source So does this count as proselytizing for atheists? Because I was told that they didn't do that.
That's...Interesting...
I only heard of the bus ad thing a little a while ago,and didn't bother looking into it.
Proselytizing...Doesn't really looke like it...
Then again,it sure does...
Hmm...
Would you consider a Christian ad preaching/proselytizing?
I honestly don't know sweatdrop
In a way I might consider a Christian ad preaching/proselytizing if it was meant to get non-Christians interested in it and draw them in to check out the religion. I was thinking about this whole deal a little more and I don't think it could be proselytizing (with the atheist bus ads) since their intended audience with the signs are other atheists but I guess it still depends on their motives and whether they want to also grab the attention of those who believe in some sort of deity as well. You can't assume that from the sign though.
Haha,that's a lot like how I wanted to say it,but I wasn't able to word it out.
I agree.
EDIT:I added more to my first post while you were replying,tell me what you think.
I agree with what you added onto it.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:57 pm
If Christians are allowed to advertise their churches then Atheists should be allowed to advertise their organizations. It's ridiculous to think that a country of free religion would put restriction on what groups can and can't pay good money to advertise their beliefs. It shouldn't even be a government issue. Proselytizing - To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith SourceAtheism isn't a religion, ergo, it's not proselytizing.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:00 pm
I have a problem with the term "freethinker" meaning "atheist"- It seems too emotionally attached, and implies that anyone else is either incapable or unwilling to take part in "free thought" or "deep thought", which is quite simply unfair.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:25 pm
LordKhrima If Christians are allowed to advertise their churches then Atheists should be allowed to advertise their organizations. It's ridiculous to think that a country of free religion would put restriction on what groups can and can't pay good money to advertise their beliefs. It shouldn't even be a government issue. Proselytizing - To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith SourceAtheism isn't a religion, ergo, it's not proselytizing. Atheism isn't a religion therefore it's not religious discrimination to allow Christian ads and not atheist ones. By your line of reasoning that is.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:46 pm
Couldn't this fall under Freedom of Speech?
I think it's nice. If you're Christian, you go to a church. Jewish, go to a synagogue. This is advertising a group to Atheists so they have somewhere to go.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:08 am
Semiremis So does this count as proselytizing for atheists? Because I was told that they didn't do that. If anyone tells you anything about all atheists other than, "they don't believe gods exist," then they don't know what they are talking about, because atheists don't have anything in common except that one thing, the one thing that defines them as atheists. About the one you linked: It is definitely not proselytizing. It's just an announcement. About that other one that's way more famous: Maybe it is proselytizing. I don't think proselytizing is inherently bad. I proselytize for my fraternity. That means I tell people about the good things about it to try to get them to join. What I thought was funny was that some theists said that those bus ads shouldn't be allowed because they made an unproven claim. But then those people turned around and made their own bus ad which stated that "there definitely is a god".
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:31 pm
Technically.
But one could just be an agnostic from that ad, and even still keep their faith, knowing there probably isn't. I think there's a verse, for example purposes of course, in the bible that says if Jesus hasn't risen than your faith is in vain.
Like the verse, it's implying agnosticism in my opinion, to be skeptical. Not full blown atheism.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:38 pm
Semiremis I know this is an old story but I came across an article today that claims that the atheist/freethinker organization that was behind the ads have seen their membership numbers double since the whole ordeal began. Source So does this count as proselytizing for atheists? Because I was told that they didn't do that. I think the idea behind the ad - a simple "Don't believe in God? You are not alone" is inoffensive and neutral. It allows theists to simply disregard the message, but allows those to whom it is advertising (its target audience being people who are already atheists) to use the information and seek out an organization that benefits them. It also does not attempt to persuade or convert its audience to an opinion - after all, it is reaching out to those people who already share the opinion it is espousing. This is not proselytizing, simply because the object of proselytizing is conversion or changing someone's opinions or feelings about a subject, where this is just expressing a simple truth - "Don't believe in God? You are not alone."
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:41 am
divineseraph I have a problem with the term "freethinker" meaning "atheist"- It seems too emotionally attached, and implies that anyone else is either incapable or unwilling to take part in "free thought" or "deep thought", which is quite simply unfair.
I don't believe it's a term in this context. I'm not sure but I think that's just the name the people who made the organization chose. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet right?
@Solwilo: Agreed.
@Rilian Sharp: But surely most of those theists were EITHER saying one of those things OR the other. And of course you have to factor in the "faith=proof" equation that seems to preoccupy some people's minds.
The meaning of life is secret inanity.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:33 am
AllSevenDeadlySins divineseraph I have a problem with the term "freethinker" meaning "atheist"- It seems too emotionally attached, and implies that anyone else is either incapable or unwilling to take part in "free thought" or "deep thought", which is quite simply unfair.
I don't believe it's a term in this context. I'm not sure but I think that's just the name the people who made the organization chose. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet right?
@Solwilo: Agreed.
@Rilian Sharp: But surely most of those theists were EITHER saying one of those things OR the other. And of course you have to factor in the "faith=proof" equation that seems to preoccupy some people's minds.
The meaning of life is secret inanity.Still, it would be like creationists taking the name "The Intellectuals"- It implies that anyone else is NOT intellectual, which is something a subjective view like religion should not claim.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:35 pm
I just tried to view the source and it keeps giving me an error, so I just want to know if this is the one sponsored by Dawkins?
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