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 Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:49 pm
The purpose of this guild is to give the larger folks of Gaia a safe place to hang out and be themselves without fear of ridicule or other negative comments towards their health, appearance or morality. This guild will also serve as a repository for the links collected in the FA/HAES thread in the LD forum in order that new people can access the information they want or need without digging through over 200 400 pages thread. This guild doesn't care if you're a 'good' fattie or a 'bad' fattie, only that you want to be a part of a community. Rules:
Absolutely no fat-bashing, diet-talk or threads focusing on weight loss for health.
Keep the atmosphere positive and supportive when at all possible.
Obey the Moderators as if they were a Captain or Vice-Captain.
This is a Safe Space and as such there will be zero tolerance for misogynistic, racist, sizist, or ableist language. We are all Real People and we all have flaws, or days where our outer beauty and confidence just doesnt' feel like enough. Please remember that every other person in this guild is a PERSON behind the pixels and witty name and treat them as such at all times.
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:20 pm
This too is sacred Fat Acceptance:
From Bri at Fat Lot of Good:
What matters:
Some people might be fat because they are genetically pre-dispositioned to be so.
Some people might be fat because they eat a lot of particular types of foods.
Some people might be fat because of illness or the side effects of medication.
Some people might be fat because of disability.
Some people might be fat because they can’t or choose not to engage in physical movement.
Some people might be fat because of a combination of the above reasons.
Some people might be fat because of none of those reasons.
But you know what?
It doesn’t matter.
It does not matter why someone is fat.
It simply does not matter.
It doesn’t matter if someone who is fat chooses to eat baby flavoured donuts all day every day and never move from their sofa. It doesn’t matter if someone who is fat is a vegan who teaches yoga 6 times a day. It just does not matter.
The simple fact is that every single fat person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect until their behaviour, as opposed to the way they look, warrants otherwise. Just the same as every skinny person. And just the same as every in-betweenie person. What matters is that people begin to understand (and then totally understand and then act on) this simple concept rather than being blinded and choked by their fat hatred.
That is what matters.
Some Great Tips on How to Take Care of Your Self No Matter Your Size
* CHOOSE THE HEALTHIEST FOODS YOU CAN FIND TO TRULY NOURISH YOUR BODY - You need protein and complex carbohydrates (whole grains, fruits and veggies) and some healthy fat every single day. Drink lots of pure, non-chlorinated, filtered water.
* MOVE YOUR BODY — CHOOSE ACTIVITIES THAT YOU ENJOY - You don’t have to exercise for hours at a time. Do less and enjoy feeling better.
* EXPRESS YOUR FEELINGS - No one knows what’s going on inside of you if you don’t tell them. Holding your feelings in leads to emotional, spiritual and physical distress.
* GIVE YOURSELF QUIET TIME - We all need rest and peaceful time to check in with ourselves. Use deep breathing, meditation or quiet introspection every day. And don’t forget to APPRECIATE YOURSELF.
* MAKE AS MANY SELF-LOVING CHOICES AS YOU CAN – Do this every day and in every area of your life! You will be happier and more content and less likely to develop those emotional food cravings.
* SPEND TIME IN NATURE – We are all a part of the world around us, not separate from it. Relax outdoors, feel the sun and the rain, the warm and the cool. Notice the stars and breathe deeply.
* APPRECIATE YOURSELF – This is your job. Others are too busy to make your happiness and well being their mission. If you have expectations that others will meet your needs (and they might sometimes…) you will likely be disappointed more often than not.
* ALWAYS REMEMBER THERE ARE NO MISTAKES ONLY LESSONS – and whatever you do, NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BEAT YOURSELF UP. This will only make things worse. We are all perfect, yet it is not the human way to behave perfectly at all times. If you beat yourself up, you will feel BAD and sugars and simple carbohydrates will scream out for your attention. love as thou wilt
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:48 pm
LadyEladrin THE BIG FAT MANIFESTO~EikoCarol21
I also want to put up a manifesto for Fat Acceptance for the upcoming new year, because I feel that we should have a set of goals for ourselves:
1. The reclamation of the word fat: Fat has been moralized, demonized and insulted over the years. That needs to stop. Fat is not an insult. It is a neutral physical descriptor of a body, just like the color of one's eyes, or a notation on height. We are reclaiming this word in the name of fat acceptance, for it is our namesake.
2. We will tell our own stories: The media likes to show only one type of fat person: the one who wallows in their own misery, consistently apologizing to the world for not being thin. Instead of complaining when we see distorted representations of our experiences, we vow to seek positions of power and/or find ways to support other fat people to do so, so that we can write our own narratives, not anyone else.
3. We will remember that we are human: Contrary to popular belief, we are not superhuman. We will allow our selves to hurt, so long as we allow ourselves to heal.
4. We will love ourselves and each other: We pledge to speak positivity into our lives and the lives of others. We will mentor other fat men and women and uplift them.
5. Fat acceptance requires acceptance of all sizes and the choices fat people make about their bodies:"My body, my choice." Fat people should be allowed agency over their bodies without you up in their faces telling them how wrong what they're doing is. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it.
6. HAES is our choice for health maintenance: We are here to focus on a sustainable health maintenance system, and HAES WORKS. We will not emphasize weight loss as our way to maintain health, but we will not diminish those who have lost weight.
7. We will NOT accept any type of body shaming. Period. That goes for ANY body, fat, thin, able bodied, disabled, cis gendered, transgendered, black, white, magenta, cerulean. Every person is REAL. This is why we need to end negative body talk: there are more women suffering from anorexia or bulemia than breast cancer. EladrinStarmist Holy god you guys! Check this out! blaugh Someone finally figured out what FA and HAES advocates have been saying for years! YOU CAN BE FAT AND HEALTHY. There it is in black and ******** white. Up yours, fat-haters and concern trolls! Is Everyone Who's Obese Actually Unhealthy?National Post and Dr. Sharma "It's not unusual to find someone come into your practice whose BMI is 30 or 32 (technically obese). This might be someone who is physically active, who is eating a good healthy diet. If you followed the guidelines to the letter you would be prescribing obesity treatment when there's really no reason to do that, because they're not medically obese." "It's not enough to just know how big someone is. In order to make medical decisions, you need to know how sick someone is."
His appeal comes as evidence begins to mount that a significant proportion of fat people are metabolically healthy. One in every three people who are obese - and half of those who are overweight - may be resistant to fat-related abnormalities that increase their risk of cardiovascular disease, according to new research from Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. The concept of "benign obesity" has been known for more than 20 years. Only now are researchers discovering the scope of the phenomenon." [...] He and others believe the concept of "overweight" should be abandoned, "because that implies that you are over the ideal, that there is some magical weight you shouldn't be over." Nayva LadyEladrin Colonel Augustus: Simple thermodynamics do not account for all of the other reasons I mentioned why people gain weight. Sure, the simple idea of calories in/calories out that we hear SO MUCH ABOUT here makes sense, until you throw in say, a depression medication that causes weight gain. Or PCOS, a condition for women where they have unexpected weight gain. Or a back injury that prevents a person from doing the sports or activities they used too. Or someone who can't afford fresh fruits and veggies or lean meat and has to eat a lot of cheap carbs to get by. Then your simple thermodynamics get botched by real human problems in the real world. T HANK YOU.
I feel this is the thing that has been left out from both arguments--with Deadly and with the Colonel.
Lifestyle (type of food typically eaten, activity level) can lead to weight gain/true, true.
Genetics can lead to weight gain/fatness, true.
Other contributing factors?
Try any combination of the following:
medications (so many of them!)
medical conditions (thyroid, glandular, hormonal--like PCOS--PLEASE RESEARCH PCOS BEFORE TRYING TO DISPUTE IT) (Here are two great threads about PCOS!)
long term injury
disability!! And not just wheelchair-bound; there are thousands of different kinds of disabilities, and not all are visible!!
available finances and time, which often depends on one's socio-economic status
environment--does one live in a "food desert" (where there is only cheap, fast food-esque, canned, pre-packaged food available and little to no fresh fruits/veggies)?
ALL these things can lead to being fat. They EACH have an affect on the human body, and not ONE can be ignored. and an article that discusses the relationship between weight gain and certain meds.The Top 10 Myths about Obesity! For the fat men out there: Men in Full!; one of the only places on the internet that hosts intelligent, appreciative and non-fetish discussion of fat men, both of today and through-out history.IMPORTANT CONCEPTS:The Rules of Nutrition: 1: Eat or die. 2. Other than that, there are NO RULES.The following link blows the lid of the concepts and concerns of the 'obesity epidemic'-Big Fat Facts. Enjoy.Kate Harding explains: Why FAT Acceptance. She discusses the importance of recognizing the fat hate the permeates Western Culture and the sheer difficulty of being fat in a world that hates you just for being alive. Also: Once more with feeling: We Already Know We Are Fat! Tying into this? We saw the Epidemic, and it was Us. Both are fantastic pieces from Shapely Prose/Kate Harding and definitely worth a read as they cover very extensively the 'but YOU'RE not FAT!!' phenomena. The following is copied and pasted from Shapely Prose, a fabulous blog by the equally fabulous Kate Harding. I've got it up here for all the people who come into the thread and assume that fat people are lazy, gluttenous slobs who have no interest in their health and for people who cannot wrap their heads around the idea that there could possibly be a healthy fat person. There are lots of us, many of whom have posted here in the thread. KateHarding 1A: Poor nutrition and a sedentary lifestyle do cause health problems, in people of all sizes. This is why it’s so ******** crucial to separate the concept of "obesity" from "eating crap and not excercising." The two are simply not synonymous — not even close — and it’s not only incredibly offensive but dangerous for thin people to keep pretending that they are. There are thin people who eat crap and don’t exercise — and are thus putting their health at risk — and there are fat people who treat their bodies very well but remain fat. Really truly.
2. Weight itself is not a health problem, except in the most extreme cases (i.e., being underweight or so fat you’re immobilized). In fact, fat people live longer than thin people and are more likely to survive cardiac events, and some studies have shown that fat can "protect against infections, cancer, lung disease, heart disease, osteoperosis, anemia, high blood pressure, rheumatoid arthritis and type 2 diabetes". Yeah, you read that right: even the goddamned diabetes. Now, I’m not saying we should all go out and get fat for our health (which we wouldn’t be able to do anyway, because noone knows how to make a naturally thin person fat any more than they know how to make a naturally fat person thin; see point 4), but I’m definitely saying obesity research is turning up surprising information all the time — much of which goes ignored by the media — and people who give a damn about critical thinking would be foolish to accept the party line on fat. Just because you’ve heard over and over and over that fat! kills! doesn’t mean it’s true. It just means that people in this culture really love saying it.
3. What’s more, those groups do not represent anomalies; no one has proven that fat people generally eat more or exercise less than thin people. Period. And believe me, they’ve tried.
4. Diets don’t work. If you want to tell me about how YOUR diet totally worked, do me a favor and wait until you’ve kept all the weight off for five years. Not one year, not four years, five years. And if you’ve kept it off for that long, congratulations. You’re literally a freak of nature.
5. Given that diets don’t work in the long-term for the vast, vast majority of people, even if obesity in and of itself were a health crisis, how the ******** would you propose we solve it?
6. Most fat people have already dieted repeatedly. And sadly, it’s likely that the dieting will cause more health problems than the fat did.
7. Human beings deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. Fat people are human beings.
8. Even fat people who are unhealthy still deserve dignity and respect. Still human beings. See how that works?
9. In any case, shaming teh fatties for being “unhealthy” doesn’t ******** help. If shame made people thin, there wouldn't be a fat person in this country, trust me. I wish I could remember who said this, ’cause it’s one of my favorite quotes of all time: “You cannot hate people for their own good.”
10. If you scratch an article on the obesity! crisis! you will almost always find a press release from a company that’s developing a weight loss drug — or from a "research group" that's funded by such companies.
So let’s just be clear that if you want to tell me fat people are disgusting and unhealthy in comments, all I’m gonna do is point you back to this post. (And then probably ban you. LE)
Oh, also? BMI is complete horseshit. Plus this: BMI changed in 1998 to include MORE people.
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:05 pm
Intuitive Eating
This is the idea that you can eat what you want, when you want, that there aren't any 'good' foods or 'bad' foods, that food is morally neutral. Intuitive eating is when your body tels you you're hungry for a peanut butter and jam sandwich, you go make and eat one, or grab a cookie or two, or an apple or whatever it is your body is telling you it needs. Intuitive eating puts you back in touch with the basic instincts and drives of your body; when you're hungry and thirsty is something most of us have learned to ignore or put off. By listening to and trusting those messages you will become a healthier person without dieting or strenuous excersize.
HAES: Health at Every Size
Thi is the idea that anyone, no matter the number on the scale, can be a healthy person. Size 2? 350lbs? You can be healthy, and not just physically healthy either-mental and emotional health plays a large part in this. HAES destroys the notion that fat people cannot be healthy, because they can. Its' not about the number on the scale or your BMI-it's how healthy you are.
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