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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:56 pm


I was raised a Christian. Not a Catholic or a Protestant, a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness, but a Christian. My family never really had a denomination, nor did we consider ourselves the type to go to a non-denominational church, but we just never seemed to settle. With every new city came a new church, a new set of beliefs, a new name for ourselves. In Chicago we were Catholics, and I was baptized before I had learned to walk. In Naperville we were Methodists, and my brother too was baptized before he really had a say. In Seabrook we were Baptists for a short while before we fled that harsher faith, and then we were Presbyterians. My other brother was baptized there, and though he was old enough to walk to the baptismal font on his own two feet, he was yet uncomprehending of what it really meant. When we finally moved to The Woodlands, we were, and the rest of my family members still are, Lutherans.

My sister wasn't baptized until she was ten, and she knew what it meant and she accepted it as a part of who she was. She stood at the font of her own will, and she couldn't help but grin the entire time. It was the first time I ever saw her wear a white dress, and will likely be the last time until her wedding day. She doesn't often wear dresses, so it was almost eerie seeing her stand there, becoming an accepted part of something that I can never again experience.

You see, Christianity wasn't the only thing I was brought up into- I was also brought up to make my own decisions, and to a love of science that baffles even my parents. I'm enthralled by radio discussions of the brain chemistry behind human decision-making; my mom changes the station because she's falling asleep. I was always encouraged to pursue that which I loved, though, and because I loved science, my parents did all that they could to aid that. My favorite book as a kid was "The Big Book of Knowledge".

As I got older, I subscribed to magazines like Discovery, and eventually Scientific American and Science News. I read Darwin's "On the Origin of Species", and all that I could find on the big bang theory and dinosaurs and evolution and astronomy and I eventually found myself looking at the Bible as a work of fiction.

With all the evidence that I interpret in pointing to the contrary, I can no longer see it as truth. I've never experienced anything that indicated the presence of any god, but plenty that refutes one. Ascribing all of this universe, all of the beauty and the horror and even those things which cannot yet be explained, to a single being seems to me like giving credit to the creation of the internet to a single man.

I am, of course, but one person. My own beliefs have little effect on the human race as a whole, but the combined belief of millions can change the very course of history. It is not, then, god himself (if he does indeed exist) that makes things happen, but the people which believe in him. And for that reason, for the facts that I cannot ignore or explain away, I do not, and cannot, believe. I want to, but it's not possible for me, not any more.

So I ask of you who frequent this forum: do you believe in a god or a goddess or some higher power out there? Or do you, like me, believe this world is a freak accident? I intend this topic not as an attack on people of faith, or as a debate about the existence of a higher power, but as a discussion on individual beliefs and why people are inclined to believe as they do.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:03 pm


Aha, a religious debate. This is relevant to my interests.

I too was raised Christian. I don't know which branch, by my grandparents always took me to the Salvation Army Church. I was a terrible Christian however, since my mother is a new-age spiritualist, so I dealt more in the Occult than a good Christian should have.

Old age has made me bitter though, and a lot of the spirituality of my past has disappeared from me now. I re-read the Bible a few years back, and my conclusion was:

If God did exist, he was a b*****d and I didn't want to follow him. If God didn't exist, then there's no point following him.

The logic was clear. I was an Atheist.

Fortunately, this time logic was supported by emotion, as I too had a passion for science. Oh, I entertained the idea of a sentience behind the universe's laws, but that's about gone from me too.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:15 pm


I was also raised as a Christian. And I still believe, I always will. Ive seen stuff, felt stuff, and heard stuff that sciense in no way can explain. AllI can say it was beautifull. I believe in a higher power, in God, however I don't believe in church, in men or religion. I believe good people will go to heaven and bad people to hell.

I don't know how to explain it. All I can say is I have my own relationship with God. And I don't need a pastor confusing me everyweek >.<
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:28 pm


I was raised Catholic but I never believed it. Only after I developed depression I was able to admit to myself and others that I didn't believe in god. My sister told me I should get de-baptized, but there's no point. A priest putting water on my head does not mean anything to me. To get de-baptized would mean I believe holy water has power.

I'm currently reading up on Buddhism. I wouldn't say I'm Buddhist, but I try to follow the 5 Precepts.

So I guess I'm considered an Atheist interested in Buddhist philosophy.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:31 pm


I was raised Catholic. I voluntarily went to a week long bible camp across the street from my house once. I've voluntarily been to a church many times. Hated most of them, but some of them were interesting. I don't like nor follow religion, but I do find it entertaining.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:35 pm


I was baptised Catholic, but was never incredibly religious. I guess when I was real little I believed it but after a while not so much, particularly after I started suffering from depression in elementary school. I would pray to God to have him help me, but nothing changed, so I lost whatever faith I still had.

But anyways onto what I believe now. I'm agnostic, I believe there's the POSSIBILITY of a God/Goddess/Greater Being. But I can't accept any religion because there are so many in the world it's impossible to know which one, if any, is true. People of all religions claim to have religious experiences that "prove' their religion is "right".
I'm a very scientific minded person, but I don't see science and scientific principles as proof AGAINST any form of greater power or being. For all we know there could be a God who created evolution; it could be argued a god/goddess/greater created all the scientific rules of our universe.

And on a slightly random note: in my Intro To Philosophy class, whenever the topic of religion came up in readings or lectures I found that I could easily argue for the religion side or the science side. I guess I'm good at looking at all points of view and thinking of all the possibilities. In class I even brought up counter-points that I personally don't believe...one I remember was I brought up the "ancient aliens" argument regarding religion and human evolution.

But like I said. I'm agnostic and will be so until shown absolute proof for or against a greater being. But I think that unless there really is a greater being and it comes to me and says "hi I'm god" I don't think it's possible to prove either side.

Also I'm gonna put this out: I have a great DISLIKE for organized religion. I find most organized religious groups to be hypocritical and many have corrupted the original meaning, teachings, and beliefs, and much of this corruption has been born out of attempts to gain political power and control over people. I also greatly dislike people who blindly follow religion and religious leaders.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:51 pm


I was baptized Catholic, and I made my first communion or whatever, but I had no interest in it. My family never really went to church, especially since my mom isn't religious. I did join a local church's youth group during high school, but that was more for the finding yourself/doing charity work kinda stuff. I just kind of... ignored the religious aspects.

I don't personally believe in any kind of god or higher power or whatever, but I respect those who do.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:00 pm


My family isn't all that religious. I think my dad used to going to a Catholic private school when he was in elementary school, but that's about as religious as my family gets. I'm allowed to believe what I want, and I'm happy.

I'm a pure agnostic atheist, and I'm happy with that. I've just seen too many bad things happen to good people and families to believe that there's a god. And if there is, this is a terrible person, and I don't want to worship someone who's able to cause pain and suffering every second and be fine with it.

However, I'm very interested in religion. While most people were insanely bored when we learned about religion in 7th grade, it was a fascinating subject for me. I love going to church with my friends, because I find it an interesting experience.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:50 pm


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However, I'm very interested in religion. While most people were insanely bored when we learned about religion in 7th grade, it was a fascinating subject for me. I love going to church with my friends, because I find it an interesting experience.

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I'm a pure agnostic atheist

Agnostic atheist? Is that possible. Does agnostic mean you accept the possibility, while atheists DO NOT believe there is even a chance of a greater being? Or have the definitions I've been taught incorrect?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:53 pm


Depends which definitions you use Aneyana.

Arguably, I'm Agnostic Atheist myself, since I don't know whether a God exists or not, but I'm still without God as I don't follow him.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:56 pm


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However, I'm very interested in religion. While most people were insanely bored when we learned about religion in 7th grade, it was a fascinating subject for me. I love going to church with my friends, because I find it an interesting experience.

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I'm a pure agnostic atheist

Agnostic atheist? Is that possible. Does agnostic mean you accept the possibility, while atheists DO NOT believe there is even a chance of a greater being? Or have the definitions I've been taught incorrect?


Basically it means I don't believe anyone could ever find definite proof that there is a god, and I don't believe it matters.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:11 pm


Ok, I get what you mean Val and Raven. Makes sense to me. I guess that makes me Agnostic Atheist too then sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:12 pm


"The balance between technology and spiritualism seems to be another defining trait of the Chozo culture."
I'm Christian but also follow logic.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:19 pm


CH0Z0
"The balance between technology and spiritualism seems to be another defining trait of the Chozo culture."
I'm Christian but also follow logic.
Does that mean that if I whisper "Burden of Proof" you explode? ninja

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:26 pm


Valheita
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"The balance between technology and spiritualism seems to be another defining trait of the Chozo culture."
I'm Christian but also follow logic.
Does that mean that if I whisper "Burden of Proof" you explode? ninja

Burden of proof is the universe just as logically didn't create itself as it did create itself. If all that stuff can come from nowhere (creating matter without using energy) then god is just as logical a choice.
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