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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:54 pm


In Christianity, Jesus's role (pbuh) is that he is the son of God, and part of the Holy Trinity. And he was born from Mary's Immaculate conception.

He died on the cross for our sins, and was resurrected from the tomb.

And in Islam, he was also born from immaculate conception, to the mother of Mary, but he was not crucified or killed, he was raised to heaven. He was the only Prophet to be born of a virgin, and one of 3 who were raised to heaven without dying.

I am not a scholar, so have some questions myself, as well as a discussion question...

Does Islam recognize that there was a Crucifixion at all?
If so, who was on the cross?
What verses do you like best that include the prophet Jesus (pbuh)?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:54 pm


in islam, Jesus (PBUH) was never crucified, but there was another person (whose name i cannot remember right now) that was on the cross.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:02 am


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in islam, Jesus (PBUH) was never crucified, but there was another person (whose name i cannot remember right now) that was on the cross.


The man who was taken place for crucifixion instead of Isa, was Judas Iscariot. He was the companion who had betrayed Hazrat Isa (PBUH) and resembled him very much, so it was mistaken by Christians that Jesus was crucified.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:50 pm


I'll have to find the verse, but I read in the Qur'an that the crucification was some sort of illusion presented to the masses.
Mary's husband Joseph is not mentioned in the Qur'an at all. To me this makes more sense, because if she was married no one would be raising eyebrows at the fact she was pregnant.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:16 pm


i am having trouble with the idea that Jesus wasn't the one on that cross, crusified. i do strongly believe he was. it fits with everything i have studied, but i will concede that history in the U.S. (like most things here) are told in the way accepted by Christians... xp

but i just feel like it's in my gut, this belief that he was... ya know? i actually was unaware that he wasn't crusified according to the Qu'ran. this is new to me.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:04 pm


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i am having trouble with the idea that Jesus wasn't the one on that cross, crusified. i do strongly believe he was. it fits with everything i have studied, but i will concede that history in the U.S. (like most things here) are told in the way accepted by Christians... xp

but i just feel like it's in my gut, this belief that he was... ya know? i actually was unaware that he wasn't crusified according to the Qu'ran. this is new to me.


I can understand that too, and I too was taught that x3
Although, none of us were there and will never be able to go into the past, we trust the Holy Books which make most sene to us.

I had questions and disagreed with much of the Bible.
The Qur'an has more fundamental aspects which I agree with, and therefore will believe what it tells me.

But I am glad in Islam he is a prophet.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:32 am


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i am having trouble with the idea that Jesus wasn't the one on that cross, crusified. i do strongly believe he was. it fits with everything i have studied, but i will concede that history in the U.S. (like most things here) are told in the way accepted by Christians... xp

but i just feel like it's in my gut, this belief that he was... ya know? i actually was unaware that he wasn't crusified according to the Qu'ran. this is new to me.


I can understand that too, and I too was taught that x3
Although, none of us were there and will never be able to go into the past, we trust the Holy Books which make most sene to us.

I had questions and disagreed with much of the Bible.
The Qur'an has more fundamental aspects which I agree with, and therefore will believe what it tells me.

But I am glad in Islam he is a prophet.


i too see him more as a prophet than anything else. smile and you are right, there realy is no way for any of us to know at this point for sure whether he was the one on the cross or not.

though i think my main reason for believing he was not JeHoVaH incarnate is that i'm more under the impression that mr. Creator is rather impartial and passive about earthly events. i'm sure he has it set up so that mortals figure it out for themselves before coming up to the Spiritual level of existance.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:47 am


Didn't it say somewhere that Jesus was fathered to an angel?

Then again, I might be mixing up some other scripture unrelated with Christianity or Islam...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:25 pm


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Didn't it say somewhere that Jesus was fathered to an angel?

Then again, I might be mixing up some other scripture unrelated with Christianity or Islam...


I think you have him confused with the Nephilem. In the book of Enoch, the Nephilem were the result of mating between angels and human females. They were giants of a very destructive nature.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:29 am


To make a long answer short. Jesus (pbuh) was not crucified (Crucifixion or cruci-fiction? by Ahmed Deedat).

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وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلاَّ اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِيناً
and for their saying, We killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger (and Prophet) of Allah. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but to them, he (the crucified) had been given the look (of Prophet Jesus). Those who differ concerning him (Prophet Jesus) are surely in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of supposition, and (it is) a certainty they did not kill him.


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بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللّهُ إِلَيْهِ وَكَانَ اللّهُ عَزِيزاً حَكِيماً
Rather, Allah raised him up to Him. Allah is Almighty, the Wise.


[Surah An-Nisa, chapter 4]



My favourite part of the Qur'an is when Jesus (pbuh) defends his mother as a baby, that is his first miracle. He talks as a baby, tells them he is a messenger.
What a beautiful miracle, to defend a pure woman against all the accusations.


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فَأَتَتْ بِهِ قَوْمَهَا تَحْمِلُهُ قَالُوا يَا مَرْيَمُ لَقَدْ جِئْتِ شَيْئاً فَرِيّاً
She came to her nation, carrying him; and they said: O Mary, you have committed a monstrous thing.

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يَا أُخْتَ هَارُونَ مَا كَانَ أَبُوكِ امْرَأَ سَوْءٍ وَمَا كَانَتْ أُمُّكِ بَغِيّاً
O sister of Aaron, your father was never an evil man, nor was your mother unchaste.

29
فَأَشَارَتْ إِلَيْهِ قَالُوا كَيْفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَن كَانَ فِي الْمَهْدِ صَبِيّاً
So she pointed to him (Prophet Jesus). But they replied: How can we speak with a baby in the cradle?

30
قَالَ إِنِّي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ آتَانِيَ الْكِتَابَ وَجَعَلَنِي نَبِيّاً
He (the baby) said: I am the worshiper of Allah. Allah has given me the Book and made me a Prophet.

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وَجَعَلَنِي مُبَارَكاً أَيْنَ مَا كُنتُ وَأَوْصَانِي بِالصَّلَاةِ وَالزَّكَاةِ مَا دُمْتُ حَيّاً
He made me to be blessed wherever I am, and He has charged me with prayer and charity for as long as I shall live.

32
وَبَرّاً بِوَالِدَتِي وَلَمْ يَجْعَلْنِي جَبَّاراً شَقِيّاً
(He has made me) kind to my mother; He has not made me arrogant, unprosperous.

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وَالسَّلَامُ عَلَيَّ يَوْمَ وُلِدتُّ وَيَوْمَ أَمُوتُ وَيَوْمَ أُبْعَثُ حَيّاً
Peace be upon me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and on the day when I shall be raised up alive.

34
ذَلِكَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ قَوْلَ الْحَقِّ الَّذِي فِيهِ يَمْتَرُونَ
Such was (Prophet) Jesus, the son of Mary. A saying of truth, concerning what they doubt.

[Surah Maryam, chapter 19]


He was raised to not be a burden on his mother. He is referred to as Ibn e Maryam. (Son of Mary), instead of the normal arabic tradition of (son/daughter of... insert father's name). The honour that they recieve in the Qur'an, by muslims, is beautiful.

Sheikh Ahmed Deedat has actually authored a book, he was a scholar of the Bible and comparative religion. On irf.net, I can't find the copies. But I'll look in my hard-drive to see if I have the copies saved.

EDIT: I found his works online. Unofficial page of Ahmed Deedat's works

Crucifixion or cruci-fiction?

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