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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:46 pm
Are there any other faiths you wish to learn about? Any others you find interesting, even though you have no desire to convert?
Judaism and Hinduism are the next two on my Religions-to-Learn-About list.
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:39 pm
Well i used to be a Christian, so i know a lot about that religion. I know a little about sects of Paganism, since my husband's moter & her life partner both identify with being 'ecclectic pagans' So does his sister ><
I wish i knew more about Judaism, and i think Hinduism is interesting.
I also know a lot about voodoo, mostly African & Haitian kind. Voodoo makes for an interesting read, but it has such a...spotty history. For example, no one really knows when voodoo was established ><
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Call Me Apple Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:35 am
I dabbled in the Bahá'í faith (derived from Islam, who knew) and Taosim officially. I do like to read random articles about faiths in general.
I'm put off by Buddhism, since it just seems that their practices are a waste, though their morals are good. I also kind-of looked at Shinto during a bout of weeaboo-ism, but nothing solid came out of it. Wicca (and, by extension, many pagan-esque faiths) makes me laugh due to the sheer self-deception involved. And LaVeyan satanism seems to me like something Emos do to scare their parents.
I'm taking cues right now, because I'm almost out of things to read and I'm stocking up before the fall semester. (Hinduism and Zoroastrianism seem the next logical choice, but I don't feel attracted to anything about them.)
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:37 am
Yea, to me it seems, a lot of the Far Eastern religions hinge on denying of the physical....and that just doesn't cut it for me >.>
What self-deception might you be talking about?
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Call Me Apple Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:50 pm
almisami I dabbled in the Bahá'í faith (derived from Islam, who knew) and Taosim officially. I do like to read random articles about faiths in general. I'm put off by Buddhism, since it just seems that their practices are a waste, though their morals are good. I also kind-of looked at Shinto during a bout of weeaboo-ism, but nothing solid came out of it. Wicca (and, by extension, many pagan-esque faiths) makes me laugh due to the sheer self-deception involved. And LaVeyan satanism seems to me like something Emos do to scare their parents. I'm taking cues right now, because I'm almost out of things to read and I'm stocking up before the fall semester. (Hinduism and Zoroastrianism seem the next logical choice, but I don't feel attracted to anything about them.) Call me prejudiced, but i really think LaVeyan Satanism is atheism with a fancy name. I read the biography of Anton LaVey (secret life of a satanist) and it seems that religion has no diety but oneself.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:59 am
Buddhism.. It seems peaceful, but I have no desire of converting because it's an athiestic religion.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:15 am
Call Me Apple Juice Call me prejudiced, but i really think LaVeyan Satanism is atheism with a fancy name. I read the biography of Anton LaVey (secret life of a satanist) and it seems that religion has no diety but oneself.The bolded would be correct. I was reading The Satanic Bible a while ago, but never got a chance to finish it. I'm not entirely sure I'd classify it as just atheism, but I can't quite put my finger on what differentiates LS from atheism either blaugh .
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:47 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff Call Me Apple Juice Call me prejudiced, but i really think LaVeyan Satanism is atheism with a fancy name. I read the biography of Anton LaVey (secret life of a satanist) and it seems that religion has no diety but oneself.The bolded would be correct. I was reading The Satanic Bible a while ago, but never got a chance to finish it. I'm not entirely sure I'd classify it as just atheism, but I can't quite put my finger on what differentiates LS from atheism either blaugh . I believe it is a form of egotistical humanism since it is essentially the worshipping of oneself. Though, I find his language quite amusing. It's hard for me to take that faith seriously.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:10 pm
RubyLight Violet Song jat Shariff Call Me Apple Juice Call me prejudiced, but i really think LaVeyan Satanism is atheism with a fancy name. I read the biography of Anton LaVey (secret life of a satanist) and it seems that religion has no diety but oneself.The bolded would be correct. I was reading The Satanic Bible a while ago, but never got a chance to finish it. I'm not entirely sure I'd classify it as just atheism, but I can't quite put my finger on what differentiates LS from atheism either blaugh . I believe it is a form of egotistical humanism since it is essentially the worshipping of oneself. Though, I find his language quite amusing. It's hard for me to take that faith seriously. He is amusing; I always heard his voice in my head when I was reading the Satanic Bible as yelling every word xd I think it has some merits for those who find it of interest....but I like my gods. I couldn't give them up.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:06 am
Violet Song jat Shariff Yea, to me it seems, a lot of the Far Eastern religions hinge on denying of the physical....and that just doesn't cut it for me >.> What self-deception might you be talking about? Please address this, almisami. Otherwise you just look like you're slinging baseless insults at a group neutral Perhaps it is something that can be cleared up through discussion?
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:10 pm
almisami I dabbled in the Bahá'í faith (derived from Islam, who knew) and Taosim officially. I do like to read random articles about faiths in general. I'm put off by Buddhism, since it just seems that their practices are a waste, though their morals are good. I also kind-of looked at Shinto during a bout of weeaboo-ism, but nothing solid came out of it. Wicca (and, by extension, many pagan-esque faiths) makes me laugh due to the sheer self-deception involved. And LaVeyan satanism seems to me like something Emos do to scare their parents. I'm taking cues right now, because I'm almost out of things to read and I'm stocking up before the fall semester. (Hinduism and Zoroastrianism seem the next logical choice, but I don't feel attracted to anything about them.) my eyes are litteraly twitching having read that. o_O; i have studied all of these an more myself, and i am shocked to hear what you have to say about them, especially since it sounds like you didn't even read up on it yourself, but rather got the info secondhand. Buddhist practices are very healthy, for mind, body and spirit. breathing excercises, meditation, healthy diets, willful love, abandoning negative thoughts and energies, personal hygene and cleanliness... how are these practices a waste? how are they an abandonment of the physical? Shinto involves a philosophy of respect, cleanliness, and the philosophy that the outside is a reflection of the inside, so that by changing one you change the other as well. they strive to be honourable, proper, polite, pure and clean. it is a form of Japanese Paganism. Wicca i dislike as well, mostly because it is alot of fluff, but other Witchcraft traditions that it is based upon and which often use the term Wicca to describe themselves (as store-bought Wicca products are often bought by people who prefer to b called "neo-paganists") are th ereal deal. these practices and beliefs are made of rich metaphorical symbolism, and the mythologies are full of moral stoies meant to guide students with lessons on how to live a proper life in tune with nature and the divine. Paganism itself is often similar in that regard but with honest research into the workings of the universe and oftentimes the entire multiverse. Pagans thrive to connect with their gods and understand them. LaVayan Satanism doesn't even believe in any god or gods, and they agree only on that human beings deserve free will. they are neither malicious nor without moral value. they are not rebellious to an extreme, and the fact that disrespectful kids claim to be satanists for the coolness factor has nothing to do with LaVayan Satanism at all.
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:09 pm
Chieftain Twilight Wicca i dislike as well, mostly because it is alot of fluff, No. What gets labeled as Wicca for easy consumption by angsty teenagers who want to rebel from their Christian mommy and daddy is fluffy as s**t. Actual Wicca is actually pretty interesting. Quote: but other Witchcraft traditions that it is based upon and which often use the term Wicca to describe themselves (as store-bought Wicca products are often bought by people who prefer to b called "neo-paganists") are th ereal deal. I'm confused; are you saying that faiths that call themselves Wicca without actually being Wicca are the "real deal"? neutral
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:27 am
Violet Song jat Shariff Chieftain Twilight Wicca i dislike as well, mostly because it is alot of fluff, No. What gets labeled as Wicca for easy consumption by angsty teenagers who want to rebel from their Christian mommy and daddy is fluffy as s**t. Actual Wicca is actually pretty interesting. Quote: but other Witchcraft traditions that it is based upon and which often use the term Wicca to describe themselves (as store-bought Wicca products are often bought by people who prefer to b called "neo-paganists") are th ereal deal. I'm confused; are you saying that faiths that call themselves Wicca without actually being Wicca are the "real deal"? neutral no. what i am saying is, the term Wicca seems to be used in different ways by different people in so many different situations that it confuse sthe HELL out of me! xp i'm too dizy about it realy.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:03 am
Whoa, haven't been paying attention to the board all that much...
Well, to elaborate on my view of self-deception regarding wicca, I think that performing a ritual (assuming here one believes it's effects are real) in order to achieve a particular result involves a lot of persuasion that it will work on the behalf of one's self, since one cannot quantify or expect any particular result. The individual will then go about his day and then happen upon an event that he will assume is the result of the ritual.
Hence, one deceives himself into believing an event is the result (say, he finds a 20$ bill on the floor) as the result of the ritual (that is supposed to attract riches to one's self). Even if the ritual did work, maybe the 20$ bill was just dumb luck and that the ritual instead made your boss reconsider that raise he wanted to give you or maybe it made your stocks portfolio more profitable in the long run, but you have no clue as to what is the result of the ritual and you have to deceive yourself into assuming any or all of the events, good or ill, happened because of some mystical power.
To me it just feels like faith-healing applied to every aspect of one's living. I'm not saying placebos don't work, I just think that one shouldn't just go out and affirm that placebos really do work.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:17 am
Chieftain Twilight i have studied all of these an more myself, and i am shocked to hear what you have to say about them, especially since it sounds like you didn't even read up on it yourself, but rather got the info secondhand. Buddhist practices are very healthy, for mind, body and spirit. breathing excercises, meditation, healthy diets, willful love, abandoning negative thoughts and energies, personal hygene and cleanliness... how are these practices a waste? how are they an abandonment of the physical? Shinto involves a philosophy of respect, cleanliness, and the philosophy that the outside is a reflection of the inside, so that by changing one you change the other as well. they strive to be honourable, proper, polite, pure and clean. it is a form of Japanese Paganism. LaVayan Satanism doesn't even believe in any god or gods, and they agree only on that human beings deserve free will. they are neither malicious nor without moral value. they are not rebellious to an extreme, and the fact that disrespectful kids claim to be satanists for the coolness factor has nothing to do with LaVayan Satanism at all. Buddhist practices are indeed of a noble breed, don't get me wrong, however the Buddhist philosophy of ''middle way'' (which is a less extreme and more philosophical version of a Jainism tradition to neglect the body in order to concentrate on the spiritual and thus attain enlightenment). The practices are noble, but the underlying philosophy makes me feel like they think life in this world is but a transitory state, which I think is a real waste, since that I think that, even if this was but one of many existences, that we should live it like our last and that our good deeds should be done in their own right and not towards some underlying goal, even if that goal is enlightenment. The self-worshipping ideas seem to me more like either atheism with a few gimmicks attached or simply something that is meant as a joke towards the established religions. This strictly a personnal impression, but it is one that I stand by.
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