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 Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:28 pm
i'm reading this book right now for the 2nd time. first time it blew my mind, and this time i'm getting things out of it i've didn't get before.
for example, in the first chapter he relates how God is a person, and as such he still hurts and desires.
i think this is an interesting point that lots of American Christians miss. the whole book as well has basically the message of "Since God is a person, treat him as one. Pursue him as he wants to be pursued." i think too often we expect God to do all the work, viewing him as only the holy and untouchable Divine Being on Sinai and not the one that was met on the Mount of Olives. and because of that, we become stagnant in our relationship with him, not viewing it as an actual relationship but a formula to eternal salvation. pray, worship, read. pray, worship, read. and we miss him completely. he's right here and right there and we ignore him. prayer becomes just us talking and not us listening.
thoughts?
EDIT: oh yeah it's also online on Google Books. it has some typos though so there's translations that have to be done, for example"cannot" is spelt "cannon;" in the first chapter.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:20 pm
i believe that humans are made in the image of God, and part of that image includes emotions.
the Hebrew God Hebrew God expresses not only anger and jealousy but tender affection, patience, pity and even remorse.
the Greeks invented the idea that God can't have "parts or passions" but that was never Biblical.
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:51 pm
chessiejo i believe that humans are made in the image of God, and part of that image includes emotions. the Hebrew God Hebrew God expresses not only anger and jealousy but tender affection, patience, pity and even remorse. the Greeks invented the idea that God can't have "parts or passions" but that was never Biblical. that's a good point. i don't think his divine attributes really override his emotions, except for hardcore Calvinists, then i think that view of God can only allow for an emotionless kind of creator.
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:38 pm
chessiejo i believe that humans are made in the image of God, and part of that image includes emotions. the Hebrew God Hebrew God expresses not only anger and jealousy but tender affection, patience, pity and even remorse. the Greeks invented the idea that God can't have "parts or passions" but that was never Biblical. If you don't mind me interjecting, most Greeks did view the Gods as very personal, emotional, and human. I mean look at Zeus and Hera or read the Homeric Epics. The idea of an impersonal God was a concept of Epicurus and partially also from Platonism. Yes both are Greek in origin but they did not represent how all of the Greek populous viewed their Gods and eventually God.
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:16 pm
Its not that the Greeks view God as some emotionaless Entity, its that through an ascetic ideal we find to control our passions from becoming gods themselves thereby drawing us away from God and not closer to Him and His Glory.
God is God. God can be and do and feel what God wants.
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:46 pm
A friend of mine owns a book by A. W. Tozer. It's a collection of his writings. I'll have to ask and see if I can borrow it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:08 pm
John Calvin A friend of mine owns a book by A. W. Tozer. It's a collection of his writings. I'll have to ask and see if I can borrow it. John Calvin hasn't read Tozer? for shame.
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:59 pm
i like burnination i'm reading this book right now for the 2nd time. first time it blew my mind, and this time i'm getting things out of it i've didn't get before. for example, in the first chapter he relates how God is a person, and as such he still hurts and desires. i think this is an interesting point that lots of American Christians miss. the whole book as well has basically the message of "Since God is a person, treat him as one. Pursue him as he wants to be pursued." i think too often we expect God to do all the work, viewing him as only the holy and untouchable Divine Being on Sinai and not the one that was met on the Mount of Olives. and because of that, we become stagnant in our relationship with him, not viewing it as an actual relationship but a formula to eternal salvation. pray, worship, read. pray, worship, read. and we miss him completely. he's right here and right there and we ignore him. prayer becomes just us talking and not us listening. thoughts? You sir would be blown away by C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity, or any of his books for that matter. Bart Ehrmans Misquoting Jesus may be a little over your head, but also might be good for you.
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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:57 pm
joeking231 i like burnination i'm reading this book right now for the 2nd time. first time it blew my mind, and this time i'm getting things out of it i've didn't get before. for example, in the first chapter he relates how God is a person, and as such he still hurts and desires. i think this is an interesting point that lots of American Christians miss. the whole book as well has basically the message of "Since God is a person, treat him as one. Pursue him as he wants to be pursued." i think too often we expect God to do all the work, viewing him as only the holy and untouchable Divine Being on Sinai and not the one that was met on the Mount of Olives. and because of that, we become stagnant in our relationship with him, not viewing it as an actual relationship but a formula to eternal salvation. pray, worship, read. pray, worship, read. and we miss him completely. he's right here and right there and we ignore him. prayer becomes just us talking and not us listening. thoughts? You sir would be blown away by C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity, or any of his books for that matter. Bart Ehrmans Misquoting Jesus may be a little over your head, but also might be good for you. i've read Mere Christianity and, not to start an argument, but Bart Ehrman is incredibly wrong about nearly everything.
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:46 am
i like burnination joeking231 i like burnination i'm reading this book right now for the 2nd time. first time it blew my mind, and this time i'm getting things out of it i've didn't get before. for example, in the first chapter he relates how God is a person, and as such he still hurts and desires. i think this is an interesting point that lots of American Christians miss. the whole book as well has basically the message of "Since God is a person, treat him as one. Pursue him as he wants to be pursued." i think too often we expect God to do all the work, viewing him as only the holy and untouchable Divine Being on Sinai and not the one that was met on the Mount of Olives. and because of that, we become stagnant in our relationship with him, not viewing it as an actual relationship but a formula to eternal salvation. pray, worship, read. pray, worship, read. and we miss him completely. he's right here and right there and we ignore him. prayer becomes just us talking and not us listening. thoughts? You sir would be blown away by C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity, or any of his books for that matter. Bart Ehrmans Misquoting Jesus may be a little over your head, but also might be good for you. i've read Mere Christianity and, not to start an argument, but Bart Ehrman is incredibly wrong about nearly everything. Oh I'd like to hear more on this.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:40 pm
rmcdra i like burnination joeking231 i like burnination i'm reading this book right now for the 2nd time. first time it blew my mind, and this time i'm getting things out of it i've didn't get before. for example, in the first chapter he relates how God is a person, and as such he still hurts and desires. i think this is an interesting point that lots of American Christians miss. the whole book as well has basically the message of "Since God is a person, treat him as one. Pursue him as he wants to be pursued." i think too often we expect God to do all the work, viewing him as only the holy and untouchable Divine Being on Sinai and not the one that was met on the Mount of Olives. and because of that, we become stagnant in our relationship with him, not viewing it as an actual relationship but a formula to eternal salvation. pray, worship, read. pray, worship, read. and we miss him completely. he's right here and right there and we ignore him. prayer becomes just us talking and not us listening. thoughts? You sir would be blown away by C.S. Lewis's Mere Christianity, or any of his books for that matter. Bart Ehrmans Misquoting Jesus may be a little over your head, but also might be good for you. i've read Mere Christianity and, not to start an argument, but Bart Ehrman is incredibly wrong about nearly everything. Oh I'd like to hear more on this. sure. Ehrman doesn't know what he's talking about. even a fake TV personality (Colbert) can destroy his allegations.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:25 pm
i like burnination sure. Ehrman doesn't know what he's talking about. even a fake TV personality (Colbert) can destroy his allegations. Care to share what claims he made and how they are easily refuted?
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