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 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:09 pm
Yes, this is a religious-based thought.
Think about this for a second.
If you're pro-life, especially in all circumstances, then you don't have faith in God enough that God could easily make another similar house/shell for a soul to develop into a person in incase an abortion occured.
Is God really that damned weak?
It's not a real argument or anything, I just had a thought to chew on.
Nobody knows when a person is ensouled. Nobody even knows of an existance of a soul. But I would imagine that if God was indeed real (which I personally believe it is, but not the a*****e portrayed in the bible), then I wouldn't put it beyond the Supreme Being that it can easily allow for a soul to reside in another similar developing fetus in leiu of the one that was aborted. Blastocysts, Embryos, and Fetuses are just shells, not ensouled automatically, although they can house a soul.
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:32 pm
I do agree with your point. Very good indeed.
I would also like to commend you for being as active as you are in this guild. It's nice to see this sort of involvement from our members. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:04 am
My belief is that if God, in his omnipotence, knew the woman was going to abort wouldn't he just hold off on putting a soul in there? Either God's not omniscient or he's one nasty ******** to just place souls where they're going to die anyways.
Then again, my main belief is that souls only come into wanted children when the pregnancy is announced or, if a woman denies the entire pregnancy, at the point of viability.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:02 am
Grip of Death Yes, this is a religious-based thought. Think about this for a second. If you're pro-life, especially in all circumstances, then you don't have faith in God enough that God could easily make another similar house/shell for a soul to develop into a person in incase an abortion occured. Is God really that damned weak? It's not a real argument or anything, I just had a thought to chew on. Nobody knows when a person is ensouled. Nobody even knows of an existance of a soul. But I would imagine that if God was indeed real (which I personally believe it is, but not the a*****e portrayed in the bible), then I wouldn't put it beyond the Supreme Being that it can easily allow for a soul to reside in another similar developing fetus in leiu of the one that was aborted. Blastocysts, Embryos, and Fetuses are just shells, not ensouled automatically, although they can house a soul. God doesn't alter destiny or individuality.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:46 am
Nethilia My belief is that if God, in his omnipotence, knew the woman was going to abort wouldn't he just hold off on putting a soul in there? Either God's not omniscient or he's one nasty ******** to just place souls where they're going to die anyways. Then again, my main belief is that souls only come into wanted children when the pregnancy is announced or, if a woman denies the entire pregnancy, at the point of viability. his? xd But yea, you made another good point. That is, indeed, if God sends souls to developing humans. But the possibilities are many! What if God is some distant figure who doesn't engage in soul trafficking... but souls enter into the developing bodies on their own accord, and on their own time? Here's another thought to chew on- does anyone read auras? (I can read auras somewhat, but I can read them a lot better on a photograph than I can in person. I'm still an amateur at it). I hear that pregnant women have silver "sparklies" in their aura. I've never perceived this yet. Perhaps that kind of aura attracts souls? It's like a pregnant woman is walking around with a sign saying "Come inside me!!" Oh, and Sensedog, thank you 4laugh and KP, I can't argue with that xd That's your belief.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:16 am
That's interesting Grippy - the whole aura thing. I've never attempted to read an aura, but if the silver sparkle bit is correct, the entire soul-attraction is a definite possibilty.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:12 pm
kp606 Grip of Death Yes, this is a religious-based thought. Think about this for a second. If you're pro-life, especially in all circumstances, then you don't have faith in God enough that God could easily make another similar house/shell for a soul to develop into a person in incase an abortion occured. Is God really that damned weak? It's not a real argument or anything, I just had a thought to chew on. Nobody knows when a person is ensouled. Nobody even knows of an existance of a soul. But I would imagine that if God was indeed real (which I personally believe it is, but not the a*****e portrayed in the bible), then I wouldn't put it beyond the Supreme Being that it can easily allow for a soul to reside in another similar developing fetus in leiu of the one that was aborted. Blastocysts, Embryos, and Fetuses are just shells, not ensouled automatically, although they can house a soul. God doesn't alter destiny or individuality. If god doesn't alter destiny, than man defines it's own destiny, and, as such the destinies of his fellow men (willing or unwilling). That being the case, wouldn't it mean that the destiny of the aborted fetus was, in fact, to be aborted.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:16 am
Oooh, sparkly aura's...I'll have to tell Cassie she has a sparkly aura xd
That's certainly an interesting view. It would make some sense of re-incarnation. All those souls floating around in the ether looking for a new body to latch onto. And in that case, if it gets aborted, oh well...it'll just ahve to try again. Russian roulette for souls...
((I had a friend who claimed she coudl see aura's in evcerything...that our school chairs ahd purple auras...I think she needed glasses...))
I'm not entirley sure where I stand on the whole soul debate. On the one hand, it seems pretty damn clear and is one of the few things not contradicted in Bible that souls do not enter the body until air enters a child's lungs.
((Prepare for Shard to go off on one...))
But never say I let the Bible dictate what I beleive ((it was written hundreds of years ago, over hundreds of years, by lots of people with very different views on God and virtually none of it is first hand accounting...and it was written by men. EVE WAS FRAMED I tell yah)).
I beleive in the theory of evolution, and that souls are not made by God, but are a like, a manifestation of what makes us; thoughts, emotions, energy ((do you realize how much energy is permanently zapping round your body and brain? what happens to that when you die? It just dissipates? Energy cannot dissipate, it is eternal in one state or another, what if the foprmatte of the human brain means that it does something to that energy to prevent it form dissipating once the source and material matter no longer holds it? And it is something individual to the human species, perhaps the same thing which gives us cognitive thought? Or perhaps emotions more rudimentary than happy, sad, angry, scared? Or what if the animal brain does this no matter what, if all things are ensouled, just with slightly less... vivid souls... OK, possibilities hurting brain)). Did the very first ammino acids have souls? Or the fish...amphibians...lizards...rodents...bigger rodents...apes...proto humans...have souls? Ever read Memnoch the Devil? Anne Rice explains it much better than me...although her ideas are slightly different...
So...if souls originate from cognative thought, emotions and all that mass of energy in our big ol' brains and bodies, that has cohesion...then souls do not come about until that starts to form in the fetus...
But I also beleive God does not get involved in human affairs anymore...He said "right...I started helping you all out when you first started sprouting that little flame I've called a soul...but I'm giving up...you all suck at being good people and I'm sick of trying to help you all...you're on your own..." or something a bit more poetic and majestic...and less like a stroppy teenager...so yes...man shapes his own destiny...
*breathe* back on track...
hehe...soul trafficking...
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:21 am
Lady Shard, (s)he said this, "******** it." And left to other worlds.
...Sorry for my horrible swearing there. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:03 pm
i think God is more of a person giving 2 people life allowing them to mate and seeing what spurs from it. i don't think people should hold him accountable for there own actions and mishaps.
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