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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:10 pm
I've been discarding loads of conlangs (well, most never even got past the phonology, so they're not even conlangs) lately, and this is my attempt at making a decent one that I'll want to keep. It's a monosyllabic isolating language with SOV or SVO word order...
I'mve fillinged out a Swadesh list, so there should be plenty of basic vocabulary soon. I'm trying to get down all the basic grammar. I also want to add examples.
(Fixed poll question to comply with new grammar, twice.) New poll is: 2P.informal-subject a.few metal yellow want yes? Yes Eh... 1P.informal understand not...
Note about examples from other languages: I'm assuming that readers, as Gaians in a conlang forum, probably know some basic stuff about Japanese, and as English speakers who are likely to live in the US, probably know something about Spanish and may have taken it as a foreign language once upon a time...
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:18 pm
PhonologyInventoryPlosives: /p t c k ʔ/ /b d ɟ g/
Nasals: /m n ɲ/
Fricatives: /f s ɕ h/
Affricates: /ts dz tɕ dʑ/
Laterals: /l ʎ/
(other) Approximants: /w r j/
Vowels:
Diphthongs: [aɪ] [aʊ] [iu] [ui] [eɪ] [eʊ] [oɪ] [oʊ], spelled as one would expect
*Yes, I marked palatal consonants inconsistently. I would use <ľ> for /ʎ/, <ť> for /c/ etc. but I feel the diacritic is too hard to see. I might change my mind later, more likely to replace all carons with Xj **because I'm tired of copying and pasting everything, X-SAMPA follows.
Phonotactics
(C)(approximant)V(C) syllable structure * unvoiced stops (except glottal stop) and unvoiced affricates, /h/, /w/, and /j/ cannot appear in coda, and only stops (plosives, nasals) and affricates can form initial clusters with approximants
Lexical words almost always have both an onset and coda. (Because of this rule, /?/ codas are common.) Exceptions all have diphthongs, or I screwed up.
Allophony
Of Consonants: /h/ and /?/ are not pronounced at the beginning of an utterance /h/ is pronounced [C] before /i/ /L/ velarizes before /k/ and /g/ (sandhi) Unvoiced plosives aspirate at the beginning of words Fricatives in syllable codas are voiced except before fricative initials (sandhi) /r/ realized as [4] in coda
Of Vowels: With /?/ as initial, nucleus vowel is lower in pitch (and farther back if it is /a/)
Reduction: occurs in unstressed syllables. /i/ = /u/ = /e/ = [E] /o/ = [O] /a/ = [6] or [@] (free variation)
Alphabet/Easy Pronunciation Guide
*I'm lazy, so the alphabet is ordered based on types of phonemes... not very natural, but I have no con-culture. Also, note on pronunciations: these are just approximations of the IPA values given above. I speak, I think, a standard TV American dialect, and my Spanish pronunciation is mostly north Mexican and somewhat gringa from lack of practice. Where no explanation is given, I didn't think it was necessary.
A - as Spanish "a"; somewhere between English cat and cot E - as Spanish "e" but a bit closer to "i" I - Spanish "i"; English "ee" O - as in Spanish "o" but closer to "u" U - as in Spanish "u" P - ... T - ... Tj - unvoiced plosive like pronounced about where the consonant "y" is in English K - ... ' - Glottal stop. Like a pause... or sometimes final "t" in English, when not pronounced B - ... D - ... Dj - as , but voiced G - ... M - ... N - ... Ň - like Spanish "ñ" or English onion F - ... As in English, not Japanese (or Spanish?); labiodental S - ... Š - like "sh" in Japanese and Mandarin (simultaneously pronounce a "sh" sound and the palatal "h" in hue) H - like English "h" Ts - like "ts" in Japanese or "z" in German Dz - above but voiced; "dz" Tš - like "ch" in Japanese; see Š Dž - above but voiced L - ... Lj - like "ll" in Castilian Spanish (?), or like "l" pronounced where "y" would be. Or like a cluster W - like English "w" R - trilled r Y - like English "y", but strictly palatal, not velar or close
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:35 pm
Alphabetized vocabulary listsŇeu 'ar - English: mediafire link English - Ňeu 'ar (less complete): mediafire linkTiny PDF files. I hope the links don't break... Swadesh vocabulary listI borrowed a lot of words from other languages... Guess which ones! (Are they too obvious?) I should probably also note that in many cases the spaces between "words" are just orthographic, and some of the entries here are really compound words. The spacing completely eliminates ambiguity with codas/onsets, and I guess I'm just used to it... I: dje (informal), goň dai (formal), lau (grammatical), other lexical forms possible you.sg: gu (informal), pweg (fformal), te (grammatical), "" he: 'i (animate), dža (inanimate) we: dje lje (informal), goň dai lje you.pl: gu lje (informal), pweg lje (formal) they: 'i lje (animate), dža lje (inanimate) this: ša that: ňo (medial) , ki (distal) here: ša yeb there: ňo yeb, ki yeb who: 'a dai'? what: 'a? where: 'a yeb? when: 'a tswa'? how: 'a tsin? not: en (negation particle in general, as well as the interjection "no") all: tei many: šaud fad some: bou few: šaud tsig other: rei one: ňi two: fai three: tše four: bou' five: dzrum big: fad long: bol wide: has thick: grud heavy: beš small: tsig short: kour narrow: džil thin: džil woman: nyur man (male): nad man (general?): dai' (person) child: hidz wife: bas nyur; nyur husband: bas nad; nad mother: ma' (more formal is "kir ma'"; "mother parent") father: da' (more formal is "kir da'") animal: leuň fish: pes bird: hai' dog: koi' louse: pig tsig snake: toudj worm: gwam tree: mus forest: kyoš stick: pal fruit: gwodž seed: seilj leaf: ha' root: pad mus bark: tjel mus flower: myar grass: tsai' rope: dzen mag skin: tjel meat: šou' blood: ran bone: hois fat (noun): plud egg: djam horn: yes teif tail: fwos feather: pidz hai' hair: pidz head: tom ear: mar eye: tšin nose: yes mouth: mob tooth: teif tongue: min fingernail: hois ňoi' foot: džuň leg: pad knee: lui' hand: ňoi' wing: ňoi' hai' belly: bwos guts: dzen neck: bal back: tje' breast: šaidj heart: tyin liver: dzen kan drink: hom (verb) eat: tsa' (verb) bite: tjib (verb) suck: pwar (verb) spit: pya' (verb) vomit: hiuf (verb) blow: fom (verb) breathe: hef (verb) laugh: tšya' (verb) see: mil (verb) hear: 'adj (verb) know: sir (verb) think: tai (verb) smell: rol fear: pa' sleep: ňer live: džui die: mod kill: neg fight: ljeb hunt: kyas hit: ba' cut: kid split: haň stab: prag scratch: 'os dig: pal tu' swim: kei bai' fly: tob (verb) walk: nam come: lar lie: bwer (as in "to lie down) sit: sou' stand: tadz turn: dzwan fall: kau give: deu hold: wil squeeze: klje' rub: dum wash: kan wipe: dum pull: tir push: sos throw: tyar tie: draf sew: klos count: yuiš say: wan sing: tau' play: hag float: kei bwer flow: nag freeze: ko' swell: pwe fad sun: tai' moon: ljun star: redz water: kei rain: yi' river: myer lake: byag sea: šain salt: 'alj stone: miš sand: nar dust: foib earth: tu' cloud: 'un fog: tši' kei sky: kor wind: fes snow: sug ice: tiudj smoke: tši' pu fire: kwoň ashes: foib mu' burn: houd road: daum mountain: tran red: džan green: wer yellow: yin white: fai black: pu night: ňedž day: hi' year: mauf warm: gyar cold: tib full: ljen new: nis old: bwe' good: ko bad: gef rotten: prod dirty: tjus straight: džab round: 'eň sharp: tsiu' dull: tjra' kid smooth: weur wet: e kei ( e is an obligatory adjective marker) dry: seg correct: hadž near: mig far: yol right: wa left: ye at: ga in: su with: dem and: džo if: soi because: two name: dlin
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:18 pm
Grammar (Syntax): pronouns, articles, particles, common auxiliaries, etc.
Personal pronouns
First and second person pronouns have three forms (grammatical, informal, formal), and the informal and formal forms are not a closed class: other words can be used for address to be more formal or intimate, though the forms given are much more common. Grammatical forms have a special use in relative clauses, and are never used to talk about or address someone.
1st. dje (informal), goň dai (formal), lau (grammatical) 2nd. gu (informal), pweg (formal), te (grammatical) 3rd. 'i (animate), dža (inanimate), grammatical forms are the same
Plural forms are formed by following the pronoun with the particle "lje" or (less commonly, and not at all for third person forms) with a plural article. (Grammatical forms do not take this particle or any article.)
Some less common forms: gwei: informal, slightly condescending 2nd person singular form (takes articles and lje); tšar: informal, quite rude 1st person singular form (does not take lje or articles; is actually derived from the article tša).
Other pronouns/Demonstratives
The basic demonstratives are ša (this), ňo (that, medial), and ki (that or yonder, distal), which are both the demonstrative determiners and pronouns, as in English. A rhyming example: Ňo myer ya wer (he) (that river NOM green (is)) "That river is green"; Ňo ya myer wer (he) (that NOM river green (is)) "That is a green river".
The determiners above can be used to form phrases that I probably should have come up with distinct forms for: ša yeb means "this place" or "here".
Some words that can be used to form the equivalents of some common demonstratives (here, thus, why, etc.) are listed here: dai' (person), yeb (place), tswa' (period of time), tsin (manner, method, path); 'a (what), en (not, no), tei (all, every), ňi (one, the "some" in "somebody" etc.).
As modifiers generally follow nouns: Sa tsin "this way"; "thus" Tswa' en "never"; "at no time" Yeb ňi "sometime" (not ňi yeb, "one time", because numerals normally precede nouns)
Articles
Ňeu 'ar requires all nouns to be marked with a determiner or quantifier. This is the only way to indicate regular (not associative) plurality, and all the distinctions here are mandatory.
Tša: definite singular article ("the" or "el", singular) Tšom: definite plural article ("the" or "los", plural) Hi: indefinite singular article ("a" or "un", singular) Um: indefinite plural article (like above but plural; not quite "some" or "unos"; the equivalent in English may lack an article) Bou: partitive "singular" article (used as English "some", "some of"; "indefinite quality of a mass noun", says Wikipedia; the equivalent in English may lack an article) Mo: "partitive plural" article (has the sense of "a few"; not really partitive)
Associative plural
The particle used to mark associative plurality is lje. This is the kind of plural marked by Japanese "-tachi" and Mandarin "-们", meaning something like "... and such". It is usually used with people and personal pronouns (for example, Sonya lje "Sonia and her friends/group"; gu lje "you and your people", "you (plural)"). Only very rarely would it be used for animals, and never would it be used with inanimate objects.
Basic copulas
He is the copula for basically everything but location; it corresponds to English "is" mostly and is used with relationships such as "A=B". This may be omitted when the meaning would be clear without it, (but omission is informal) and is always omitted when the sentence is a simple noun+following predicate adjective statement. Ta is the copula for location and takes the location as its object: 'i ya ki yeb ta (3P NOM yonder place is.at) would mean "he/she is over there." A postposition with the object is optional: the above could also be 'i ya ki yeb su ta (3P NOM yonder place inside is.at), and mean more specifically, "He/she is inside that.distal place." When the preposition is omitted, a general at/in/on/near relationship is assumed. **Med is the verb meaning "to exist". He is never used to express this meaning. Dje ya tai', ša tsin dje ya med, "I think, therefore I exist."
Negation
The word used for negation is en. It is placed after what it negates and acts as an auxiliary verb. It is a can be moved around freely to negate any word. (So, en could theoretically negate itself, but not the particle lje or an article.)
Questions
Word order does not change in questions. The question word/phrase occupies the place it would have in a normal sentence. Questions are not marked when a question word is used, but in yes or no questions, the interjection so (yes; right) may appear at the end of the question. En (no) could appear instead at the end of the sentence if the answer is expected to be no.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:33 pm
Syntax: Word order, sentences, clauses
Ňeu 'ar basic word order is SOV, and SVO is also possible. There is no case marking, unless some postpositions are analyzed as case markers. Word order is mostly left-branching (but a bit ambiguous). Adjectives follow the things they modify, auxiliaries follow the main verb, articles and other determiners precede the noun, postpositions follow the modified noun, and relative clauses may precede or follow the noun they follow. Prepositional clauses usually precede the verb when SOV order is used and usually follow the verb when SVO order is used. Adverbs may follow or directly precede what they modify.
Subject/object separation
The particle ya is placed directly after the subject in a sentence where both occur. In a sentence where the subject is omitted, the particle may still directly precede the direct object, or it may be omitted as well. In a sentence with no direct object, the particle is still used. When the passive voice is used, the direct object is treated as the subject.
Adjectives and possession, numbers
Adjectives and possessors follow the modified nouns and are marked identically (with the particle e which precedes adjectives and possessors, or optionally not at all). Numbers (except ňi when used with some non-numeric meaning) precede nouns.
Relative clauses
Two possible forms:
Preceding the noun: This type is mostly used for simple, short relative clauses. The clause, which alone is formed just as a regular sentence would be, is followed by the particle fa, then by the noun.
Following the noun: This type is mostly used for more complex relative clauses and to emphasize simple clauses, and is rarely used to modify subjects. The noun is followed with the complementizer du, then the relative clause, formed as a normal sentence, then the grammatical pronoun that would be used for the noun modified by the relative clause.
Passive
Passive sentences can be contain or optionally omit the agent (Mistakes were made). The direct object is promoted to the front of the sentence (ya is used as if the subject and direct object were reversed), the subject is marked with the postposition mai, and the auxiliary verb li marks the passive construction.
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:27 pm
Postpositions, conjunctions
Postpositions
ga: at/in/on. Also used for time (in January, at this time, on some date, optionally) na: to, towards, into; also indirect object marker (to/for sth.) kyo: from, away from su: inside woi: outside pro: above, on gye: below, under ri: by, alongside, near; about (concerning)
dem: with (not in the sense of "I wrote it with a pen" as below, but "I had a pen with me") mai: by means of
Conjunctions
džo: and (or also, when there is only one noun as object); not used for verbs or clauses. May be omitted, especially when only two objects are involved. me: and, then (used only with verbs with the same grammatical subject: 'i ya tadz ku me kau ku "he/she subject stand PERF and fall PERF) oi': and; but; then. Used to connect clauses and verbs whose subject is different. soi: if (actually precedes clause); this is also a common filler word featured in the poll answer (like "ummm...") two: because (also precedes clause)
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:28 pm
Verbs; ways of expressing tense, aspect, and mood
Specific words like "yesterday", "once", or "maybe" could also be used to render TAM, but here are the common, grammaticalized ways of marking TAM.
Tense/time
fe: particle used to indicate future tense you: adverb used to indicate near-future tense (more like "going to X" than "will X"; the latter is closer to fe) adž: adverb used to indicate past tense
Aspect
ku: auxiliary verb that marks perfective aspect (a completed action or an action seen as a whole). It is also the verb "to leave". a: particle that marks progressive aspect (emphasizes that an action is ongoing) ga: particle that marks continuous aspect (emphasizes a continuous state; NOT to be confused with progressive even though there is just a subtle difference). It is also a location marker. he: auxiliary verb that marks perfect aspect/tense; corresponds to English "have" as in "I have done...". It's also a copula, of course.
Mood
hu: auxiliary verb used to express ability or possibility
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:29 pm
Full vocabulary, alphabetized in near-English order.
(coming soon..? I might give a link to Google documents or a media-download site for a document.)
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:40 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:55 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:56 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:57 pm
Common phrases and interjections
None yet... People are heard greeting each other with Mil ga pweg! ( (1P.sg) see CONT 2P.formal.sg ) and Tšar kyo tel ku! ( 1P.rude.sg from move PFV ).
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:47 pm
Long examples
Us and Them (Pink Floyd) translation Really long sample text with ad hoc glossing. The lyrics have many idioms, so the translation should have useful constructions and phrases that I've neglected to put in the thread... Oh, and I've used special wording and omissions for the sake of rhythm and brevity. Various words for "and" are omitted, I stuck mostly to gapped relative clauses to save the extra syllable (the final grammatical pronoun for clauses after the noun), and for "-er" and "person who does X" type constructions I have omitted the dai' where I didn't think it was important. I guess I'll work that into the grammar...
Dje gu lje 1P 2P assoc.pl Us and them
Oi' tswa' kon ga, dje lje ya um dai' fedž tor he and time last at 1P assoc.pl NOM indef.pl person common only is And after all, we're only ordinary men
Dje gu džo 1P 2P also Me and you
Tša kor ya tor sir, ki ya dje lje ya tso hod fa šin he the sky NOM only know, that.distal NOM 1P assoc.pl NOM do want COMPL thing is God only knows, it's not what we would choose to do
«Tom na,» 'i ya džuň ga adž kai' ku "head to," 3P NOM foot at PST shout PFV "Forward," he cried, from the rear
Oi' tša hin e ňi ya mod ku and the group ADJ one NOM die PFV And the front rank died
Oi' tša gaun tsig ya sou', oi' tšom ňal e hwan tu' ya and the king small sit, and the.pl line ADJ image earth NOM And the general sat, and the lines on the map
Wa ye tel ku right and left move PFV Moved from side to side
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Pu wai seg black blue color Black and blue
Oi' 'a dai' ya sir 'a ya 'a he, 'a dai' ya 'a dai' and who NOM know what NOM is what, what person NOM what person And who knows which is which, and who is who
Pro gye bin up down side Up and down
Oi' tswa' kon ga, tor he 'eň bin 'eň bin, 'eň bin and time last at, only is round side round side, round side And in the end, it's only round and round, and round
«Pweg ya 'adj he en, hi twab e krob he,» 2P.formal NOM hear PERF no, a battle ADJ word "Haven't you heard, it's a battle of words,"
Tša peg dzen nan ya kai' ku the square fiber carry NOM shout PFV The poster bearer cried
«'adj, gwei,» tša plub tyar dem fa dai' ya wan, "hear, 2P.DIM," the lead throw with COMPL person say "Listen, son," said the man with the gun,
«Bou tši' gu na su bin med» space/air 2P for inside side exist "There's room for you inside."
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Des kau ku poor.ADJ fall PFV Down and out
Dža ya kes li hu en, oi' šaud fad e dža med it NOM help be.PASS can not, but amount big ADJ it exist It can't be helped, but there's a lot of it about
Ner, ner en Have, have not With, without
Oi' 'a dai' ya wan dei, dža ya tša twab ri fa šin he and what person NOM say different, it NOM the fighting about COMPL thing is And who'll deny, it's what the fighting's all about
Dje kyo tel ku, tai' e goň ner from move PFV, day ADJ work have Out of the way, it's a busy day
Tyin e dje ya tai e fad ner mind ADJ 1P NOM think ADJ big have I've got things on my mind
Tša dai' bwe' ya, bou tšai' hi baud ňi e person old NOM, some tea and a bread one ADJ,,, For want of the price of tea and a slice
Tšyen na adž mod ku money for PST die PFV The old man died
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:05 pm
So, guys... What do you think? I know it's far from complete, but besides getting the vocabulary together and ordered properly, I'm not sure what to do. As always, I'm already tired of this language and want to make a verb-initial head-marking language with loads of weird morphology and noun classes and no palatal stuff... confused
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Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:24 pm
I finally got the vocab PDF file up! (It's on the top of the Swadesh list post.) Alphabetized vocabulary is much more useful... And I haven't yet attempted the language in the top post. I did a language with relatively crazy verbal morphology but otherwise completely dependent marking, and am starting a mostly head-marking one without excessive morphology. Neither has noun classes (though they make a grammatical animacy distinction sometimes) or is verb-initial.
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