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 Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:12 pm
ok, this has been bothering me for some time and i just need some other opinions on this topic, that my brother and i have been argueing about for like 3 days now. maybe its just me and i can't let it go but, im sure he is wrong this time.
the arguement started with the discuss of the new movie coming out: avatar the last airbender
my brother is a socialogy major who doesn't wacth tv and spends all his time with many different things and has never heard of this , but i told him it was a good show. So i started to explain to him the storyline and the basic idea of the show. Of cousre my brother started poking holes in the show right off the back and the convosation moved to the topic of their powers.
he says the element of water isn't the same as ice, and i told him that water and ice powers are the same thing, cuase you need water to make ice. then he said ppl don't ask for "cold water" in their drinks they ask for ice. Granted the arguement went nowhere so i changed the subject to the element of earth. he told me that it wasn't a power cuase if you moved the earth then you will die too, and you can't make it float cuase they not the element of earth that would be wind.
I ended up calling him an animal with no imagination, but he claims he just has common sense and i should get some.
so my question to you is "is water and ice the same element and why?"
and "is the element of earth makes sense to you as protrayed in avatar the last airbender?"
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:32 pm
Well, for the water and ice discussion I would say they are the same thing since they are made of the same molecules, just one is rigid like ice and the others flow like water.
as for the earth thing, well it's kinda easy to explain the floating earth. Magnetism. The minerals and such in the earth have some degree of magnetism and since they can control the earth they can control the magnetism that the minerals give the earth. o.o
of course, I could be wrong. XD;;;
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:00 pm
see that what i told him but he say that cooling the water wouldn't be part of controling the element, to me im thinking it would be becuase if you have contorl over water you should be able to control in it in all forms not just one
i don't know, about that, to me you would be able to make parts of the ground rise and fall move an break apart break down into smaller pieces and form smaller pieces into larger ones. and would earth element be limited to the ground or would you say you would have control over plants to?
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:38 pm
yea, controlling only one form would suck.
Yea I see what you're saying with that. but control over plants? Never heard of that being associated with earth element.
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:58 pm
your brother has no leniency to fantasy. does a person's abilities have to make sense in fiction? i think not. lolol x'D
and water manipulation should be okay with ice. they are the same thing, just in different forms (there was ALSO mist used in the show). so we have a solid, liquid, and gaseous or near gaseous state used. the ability to turn it into ice means that the person has some control over the temperature of the liquid. i don't think they've ever used boiling water in there though, even though it would seem that they should.
i think the earth element is a little hard to explain. earth benders really can't manipulate metals so magnetism is out of the question. toph was only able to deform metals because of the leftover impurities/dirt in the metal. could be some other form of energy used to make it float, like chi energy. chi energy can be manipulated to make things move. ---and that would also explain how the other elements are manipulated and moved through the air and such as well.
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:05 pm
Tezu your brother has no leniency to fantasy This ^
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:44 pm
J Lone Wolf Tezu your brother has no leniency to fantasy This ^ i think he does but i also think he was being a butt
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:01 pm
Mimice J Lone Wolf Tezu your brother has no leniency to fantasy This ^ i think he does but i also think he was being a butt *agrees* if it's made to be understood completely then the answer to "the big bang" would be just as easy *shrugs* common sense is needed for everyday life not really movie magic and stories and stuff of the like. imho
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:13 am
i understand what my brother is saying though, even though magic and whatnot is unexplainable, to me its still needs to make some locgical sense to make it belivable. i mean as my job and others as well is to make fantasy and the impossible. possible and beliveable at the same time, sothe audience makes some sort of connection to whatever they are viewing
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:20 pm
The earth element wouldn't be tied to plants from what I know. Plants are a living organism that grow in the earth, but they're not actually like...a part of the earth. If that makes sense?
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:36 pm
Battery Acid Included The earth element wouldn't be tied to plants from what I know. Plants are a living organism that grow in the earth, but they're not actually like...a part of the earth. If that makes sense? i have seen somthing like this where the person could fuse him/herself into trees and make plants turn into like evil man-eatting vine monsters, maybe its a type of earth control? but the living things that grow from the earth i think will be part of the earth, but i understand what your saying though.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:53 pm
I guess I see plants as a different element compared to earth. Since when I think earth I think of...rocks.
And when I think of plants I think of green stuff. ><
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:32 pm
Battery Acid Included I guess I see plants as a different element compared to earth. Since when I think earth I think of...rocks. And when I think of plants I think of green stuff. >< yeah i think so too, cuase to me to mastery such an ability as controling the earth it would take alot of mental focus because theres alot of earth and mes ups can be harmful to the user and to innocent ppl around them, so i would think that earth powers would be split into two
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:09 pm
Water and ice are the same molecules.
still contain h2o
same s**t. xDDD
For avatar, last airbender, I kind of see some sort of control and form to the temperatures as they bend the molecules with liek powahs.
they bend the elements. They're not mages, they're benders. Considering how they bend, that also includes being able to manipulate the molecules in such away--- in addition--that includes stretching and condensing the molecules as they 'bend' that element.
As for toph, when she first focuses into learning how to bend metal, she 'saw' or sensed the earth molecules within the metal, which thus, she can bend it, but not as masterfully as she does earth because the earth elements within the metal is a little scarce.m Somewhat like that creepy waterbender who bends blood --- she focused the waters within the blood and ignored the iron, bending it and puppeteering the villagers in one episode.
being a very non- fantasy person, I can only see it like this...which makes sense anyway, since bending is manipulating the element present in the area.
Fire and air are the most prominent since it uses the very things we that are around us---gaseous things. There is that magical aspect of it, but the overall physics of 'bending' is somewhat like that.
therefore, water is not a separate element from ice since it is just the condensing and expansion of water molecules.
basically to make earth float is to manipulate the molecules, bending is almost like telepathy---telelpathy of the very core of the object manipulated...with chi....of the elements. lawl.
the above is a gathering summary and some two cents. 8D
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:20 pm
I guess for the water and ice things there could be a different perspective. People say one person has water element and another has ice...but really I think people who control 'ice' are actually controlling temperature. Like freezing substances since you're really controlling cold air...?
All I can really think about is those Christmas special with that Freeze Meister dood. Or like, Jack Frost. Aha. I think I've only seen a few things about The Last Airbender. So if my rambles are completely out of whack that's...probably why. ^^;;
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