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 Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:28 pm
Please do not get me wrong, I am a strong believer in the Lord and what he has to say in the bible and I try my best to stay true to what the bible says and when turn away from the Lord, I realize what I have done and it's the only thing I can think about until I pray my forgiveness to the Lord.
I am a fairly new Christian so I have gotten through some parts of the bible but not all of it so please fill me in on the whole gay debate.
I love God but when people talk about this I feel like he's disappointed in me. I am bisexual and I'm not afraid to say it but when I hear what the bible has to say about gays I feel like I fall short reaching out to the Lord because I am bisexual and I can't help it. It's the way I've look at women and how I always will and no matter how hard I may try, I'm always going to look at women that way.
Isn't the Lord supposed to love you for who you are and not judge? We are all equal in God's eyes are we not? I think that people are born as gays and not because they are trying to be rebellious to God's word.
If I have said anything out of turn, please correct me. I'm still learning and I want to know more about what God has to say about this issue.
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:01 pm
The Youtube Whore I love God but when people talk about this I feel like he's disappointed in me. I am bisexual and I'm not afraid to say it but when I hear what the bible has to say about gays I feel like I fall short reaching out to the Lord because I am bisexual and I can't help it. It's the way I've look at women and how I always will and no matter how hard I may try, I'm always going to look at women that way.
This is a hot issue in today's society, but as Christians, we are not to be swayed by secular morality; our morality comes from the Word of God, and we must obey it as such. The Bible is extremely clear that homosexuality and adultery are sinful. Homosexuality is not the unforgivable sin, but we should always abstain from sin, regardless of what it is, including homosexuality and adultery.1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Revelation 21:6-8 (King James Version) 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.* Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Mark 10:5-9 (King James Version) And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.* Romans 1:24-27 (King James Version) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Matthew 5:28 (King James Version) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.*
You may think you can never stop, but that's exactly what the Devil wants people to think. There's a lot of terrible habits I thought I could never break but because I kept in prayer and kept a strong head, I've repented of many of them, while I continue to work on others. I may never be perfect, but I can try as hard as I can, as I should.The Youtube Whore Isn't the Lord supposed to love you for who you are and not judge? We are all equal in God's eyes are we not? I think that people are born as gays and not because they are trying to be rebellious to God's word.
No, the Lord is the ultimate judge who on Judgment Day will judge everyone according to their works. People are not born gay, there is no gay gene. People ARE, however, born in sin, and as such, they have a tendency to sin against God. That does not make sin permissable; in fact, that means we must work harder to be righteous.Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. The Youtube Whore If I have said anything out of turn, please correct me. I'm still learning and I want to know more about what God has to say about this issue.
It's good to know you're willing to learn. Just remember to stay in the Word.*Jesus' words in red.
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:27 pm
Spike, thank you for you post. I realize you are not trying to offend me but just trying to help and you do it with love and respect, I must thank you for that.
I've read up a little bit on this and it is said that God has never created a homosexual. A homosexual is a person who has turned against God's word and have given in to their own desires.
But the thing is, I am not like this because I wanted to disobey my God but because this is the way I've reacted to the people around me. I feel terrible because I see that the way I think and act is a sin and it tears me apart. I see that as my role as a faithful Christians that I should give up such thoughts and beliefs because this is not about me, but about my Lord and I want to serve him so I'm trying my best to keep these things under control.
But I know that even through all of my sins that Jesus still loves me through and through and has forgiven me for what I have done in the past and I am grateful for him.
He has given the ultimate sacrifice to us and we are in his debt and if repaying him means doing whatever is possible then I will do it. (:
Thank you, Spike.
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:05 am
Whoa. Well done for changing your opinion once you read the Bible; that's something I find very difficult. I don't really have anything to add to the debate though; there is no debate. Homosexuality is wrong, but then so is stealing or pre-martial sex, and you don't see Christians picketing prisons screaming about how they're going to Hell.
Around the same place in Leviticus it says not to grow different kinds of plant together. Anyone want to join me in condeming the local farmers?
Didn't think so.
(Sorry, I really don't like the whole "gay = hell" thing. More like "sinful = hell" or maybe "unsaved = hell". Hate the sin, love the sinner.)
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:59 pm
Voldemort point two Whoa. Well done for changing your opinion once you read the Bible; that's something I find very difficult. I don't really have anything to add to the debate though; there is no debate. Homosexuality is wrong, but then so is stealing or pre-martial sex, and you don't see Christians picketing prisons screaming about how they're going to Hell. Around the same place in Leviticus it says not to grow different kinds of plant together. Anyone want to join me in condeming the local farmers? Didn't think so. (Sorry, I really don't like the whole "gay = hell" thing. More like "sinful = hell" or maybe "unsaved = hell". Hate the sin, love the sinner.) It is very difficult for me to do this because before I converted to Christianity I was the love me for me type. I didn't change for anyone under and circumstances and I still kind of am that way with my peers but I'm trying to persuade myself not to be that way with the Lord because he is the final word. I'm just praying that he'll give me strength to stand up to myself.
God Bless. <3
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:58 am
I see that you have a problem with homosexuality and God.
A little tip for you,trick yourself to thinking that they are not girls and maybe it might work biggrin
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:06 am
This was a question at my youth group's "grill a Christian" night. One of the people there said his old church had some gay Christians, and over time they got "straightened out". I don't know how true that is. Also, it's not sinful to be tempted; "resist the Devil and he will flee from you, come near to God and He will come near to you." - James 4:7-8
Just keep praying about it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:51 pm
But don't forget, the stronger a Christian gets in the faith, the more the Devil will try to tear you down; whether it be by leading you into a cult, tempting you more or scaring you or your loved ones. Be diligent and don't let him get to you. Ask God for the strength to resist temptation.
When Satan gets angry, evil he'll do anything to make up for it. twisted
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:11 pm
I'd like to add something. There are many times I have sexual thoughts about others, male or female. And I am married and try not to let those lustful thoughts take hold of me or stay. It's one of my hardest challenges. I am a girl and have long struggled with feeling this way about other girls.
The thing is to keep trying, and to not give up hope that the time will come when you have been cleansed of it. (Similarly, not saying this to anger you. pirate )
You can do it. Jesus does love you and will help you. Most likely, you're not attracted to every single person you meet. For the ones you are attracted to that you shouldn't be (same gender, married, etc) I would suggest thinking of them as a family member. It's one of the things that works best for me, along with praying, of course. heart
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:26 pm
I cannot begin to tell you how thrilled I am to hear that you are willing to change for God! Over and over again I have heard of how "God is not worth it" and "it doesn't really matter," but I'm really excited for your decision to conform not to the ways of man but to the ways of the LORD! God bless; I will definitely be praying for your continous growth! =)
In Him,
iamashleyx
Oh, and don't let others deter you from progressing in your faith.
Matthew 5:6-12 states:
.."Blessed are those who hunger and
...............thirst for righteousness,
.......for they will be filled.
..Blessed are the merciful,
......for they will be shown mercy.
..Blessed are the pure in heart,
......for they will see God.
..Blessed are the peacemakers,
......for they will be called sons of God.
..Blessed are those who are persecuted
.............because of righteousness,
......for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.
...."Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
..Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:35 pm
Hi, Roman Catholic tuning in! :]
[Thanks to everyone who's posted exact quotes from the Bible.]
There are many many teachings by different sects of Christianity but I can't speak for them all. I will, however, tell you what the Holy Catholic Church's view is!
As clearly written, God sees homosexual acts as an abomination. This does not mean he sees homosexual PEOPLE as an abomination. He made you. God does not make EVIL people. He does not make people he hates. He loves all of us equally and is sad, rather than angry, to see us sin. You have been given an extra cross to bear, the attraction to members of your same sex. Just as some people are born with inclinations towards violence or dishonesty, you are born with an inclination towards sodomy. This is through no fault of your own but it is clearly a sin to engage in homosexual practices.
In short: Yes, homosexual acts are sins. No, homosexuals are not inherently evil. Yes, you are expected not to sin [to the best of your ability].
God has given you an extra burden. I hope this will not prove to stressful to you throughout life. Any questions?
*JMJ*
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:44 pm
Spike was right. The Bible is clear on it.
How you look at women and what you think is how you are. What you do with those thoughs is something entirely different. Every single person (including Jesus) has and/or will face temptation. This is part of being human. How you respond to those temptations defines you. You admit that you are bi. Not beating around the bush, but I agree with the Bible in that that is wrong. BUT, (note: emphasis) you do not have to live that. Jesus told a parable of a man who saw that he had dirt (or something) on his face, but didn't clean it off. This represents an ignorant person who sees a flaw, but does nothing to fix it. The thoughts/feelings you have may never go away. They might. Define yourself by how you live, what you do, and what you believe.
Just my input. I haven't read more than the first two posts.
BTW, Hallelujah in you recieving God into your heart!! Another point for God and another empty spot for Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:27 am
Guys. Someone I know via FictionPress asked me advice, and I have no idea how to help her. Quote: I need some help and I was wondering if you would know what to do: I have afriend who is having some issues (Doenst have a religion). His family is nohelp, his sister hates him, he decided he was bi last year, and now he thinkshe is transexual. He just came clean with me by saying that he believes thathe was born a mistake. I dont want him to feel that way but I dont know whatto do. I have done that whole "God is there for you" approach before and Ilost a friend that way cus she said I was being too "Godly". What do I do? Sryto lay this all on you but I dont have anyone else to go to. None of myfriends really believe in God and I just think my mom would tell me to stayaway from this guy. Any ideas? So, yeah. I told her to pray for him and gave her a few verses on the importance of praying earnestly, but yeah. No idea what to say. Ideas?
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:56 am
Voldemort point two Guys. Someone I know via FictionPress asked me advice, and I have no idea how to help her. Quote: I need some help and I was wondering if you would know what to do: I have afriend who is having some issues (Doenst have a religion). His family is nohelp, his sister hates him, he decided he was bi last year, and now he thinkshe is transexual. He just came clean with me by saying that he believes thathe was born a mistake. I dont want him to feel that way but I dont know whatto do. I have done that whole "God is there for you" approach before and Ilost a friend that way cus she said I was being too "Godly". What do I do? Sryto lay this all on you but I dont have anyone else to go to. None of myfriends really believe in God and I just think my mom would tell me to stayaway from this guy. Any ideas? So, yeah. I told her to pray for him and gave her a few verses on the importance of praying earnestly, but yeah. No idea what to say. Ideas?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand
If this guy really is an atheist/agnostic/whatever, The first step is probably getting the guy to believe in God (the real one). The best way to break someone down is to start off with our origins. The Answers in Genesis seminars are good evangelistic tools and resources for Creation Science (even though I prefer CMI's articles rather than AiG's Videos, but I digress). This guy probably won't listen to anything she has to offer if he doesn't believe in a loving, existing Creator God, so that's where I think she should go first, then teach about salvation and then you've got the whole meaning of life thing right there in front of you. Then you can move on to morality and such.1 Corinthians 1:23-25 (King James Version) 23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
The message of salvation is foolishness to people unless they understand that we are fallen creatures. But a metaphorical account of Genesis makes the fall of man a metaphor, and would mean that Christ died for nothing. That's why it's important to start off with a literal understanding of Genesis so that we can actually understand why we need to be saved and why the world is as terrible as it is today.
That's just my perspective, though. I didn't want you to have no responses so I had to think of something. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:29 pm
Though I can't remember the names of the authors, two good books on this topic would be "Homosexuality and the Polotics of Truth" and "You Don't Have to Be Gay".
The first explains why Homosexuality is bad and the second explains how no one is really gay and all homosexuals can change.
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