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 Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:18 pm
hello, assuming that everyone has read the 6th book i was wondering what you all think will happen in the 7th. These are 2 of the MAIN rumors going around regarding the 7th book.
1) that R.A.B. is Sirius's brother, Regulus Black.
To back it up: that the initials match, and the fact that in the letter in the locket says "dark lord" when adressing Volemort, and the only people to call him that are death eaters, as it clearly states in most books. That has relivance becouse of the fact that in the 5th book Sirius says "stupid idiot...he joined the death eaters" thus he was a death eater.
2)that Harry, or his scar, IS a horcux (sp?).
To back it up: as it states in the 5th book, "a date of death (some 15 years ago) followed the date of birth" refering to the tapestry in the Black house. Now correct me if im wrong, but was Harry about 15 or 14 in that book? His parents were killed, as we all know, when he was very young. Was it possible that in fact, Voldemort realised that the horcux (sp?) was gone and tried to make another. Just to kill two birds with one stone, he would also kill the boy mentioned in the section of the profecy (sp?). Mabie he tried to make a horcux (sp?) by killing Harry. That would explain how he has some hint of Voldemort's power and can feel what he feels. Could it be, that in that last bit of life, as a desperate attempt to survive, he used the soul that split by killing Harry's parents and made a horcux out of the scar?
To disprove it:what about the profecy (sp?)? It states that "one cant live while the other survives" wouldn't IF THIS IS TRUE be the oppisite? If Harry lives, wouldn't Volemort? As long as he is a horcux then Voldemort would live on...you know unless Harry gouges his scar off his face and i dought that would make a pretty picture for readers.
what rumors have you heared, and do you believe them?
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:58 pm
Hey did you just start this forum becouse it looks fairly new.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:26 pm
yes. this thread i just made.
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:03 pm
"To disprove it:what about the profecy (sp?)? It states that "one cant live while the other survives" wouldn't IF THIS IS TRUE be the oppisite? If Harry lives, wouldn't Volemort? As long as he is a horcux then Voldemort would live on...you know unless Harry gouges his scar off his face and i dought that would make a pretty picture for readers. "
And once again, I counter this argument with this:
I don't think by 'live' the prophecy ment 'surviving' or else it would just say 'one cant survive while the other does'. The phrophecy , as J.K said, and as those of us who write and read a lot know, are always worded so carefuly that each word choice may come down to a specific meaning. Getting back to what I said, I think by Live, the phrophecy ment live without constantly having the weight of something down your back.
Lets take Harry First: Is he really 'living'? He always has to worry about Who Voldemort may kill next, and when he may come after him. His whole life has now become devoted to killing Voldemort. He even gave up Ginny for the cause....
Now Voldemort: He can not be all powerful, he can not rest, until he kills this boy that has thwarted him so many times...
True, the two are surviving, but neither can really get on with their lives while the other is alive.
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:25 pm
Talen Lestrange "To disprove it:what about the profecy (sp?)? It states that "one cant live while the other survives" wouldn't IF THIS IS TRUE be the oppisite? If Harry lives, wouldn't Volemort? As long as he is a horcux then Voldemort would live on...you know unless Harry gouges his scar off his face and i dought that would make a pretty picture for readers. " And once again, I counter this argument with this: I don't think by 'live' the prophecy ment 'surviving' or else it would just say 'one cant survive while the other does'. The phrophecy , as J.K said, and as those of us who write and read a lot know, are always worded so carefuly that each word choice may come down to a specific meaning. Getting back to what I said, I think by Live, the phrophecy ment live without constantly having the weight of something down your back. Lets take Harry First: Is he really 'living'? He always has to worry about Who Voldemort may kill next, and when he may come after him. His whole life has now become devoted to killing Voldemort. He even gave up Ginny for the cause.... Now Voldemort: He can not be all powerful, he can not rest, until he kills this boy that has thwarted him so many times... True, the two are surviving, but neither can really get on with their lives while the other is alive. Yes what you state is true but you must also think about it. Harry does have some of voldemort in him be slowly he is controling it. And when Voldemort came back using Harry's blood, well he just used the horcux that he had on Harry. So the prophecy states that niether one can live while the other remains thus it means that one of them has to die. Think about it carefully.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:35 pm
I knew that R.A.B. was Regulus Black the first time I saw the initials on the letter in the book. Has anyone else realised that J.K. mentions (not directly) Sirius' brother about 4 times in the first 10 chapters? I noticed immediatly and I smelled foreshadowing. (laughs) First of all, Regulus says in the letter (assuming that the writer IS Regulus) that he "Discovered Voldemort's secret." I think that Voldemort made HARRY into a Horcrux, and he dosen't want to KILL Harry, but USE him to become even more immortal. Regulus also writes "I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more." Obviously, HARRY is Voldemort's match, and Regulus must have chickened out of helping Voldemort, that's why he wanted him to be "mortal once more." That's also why Voldemort must have killed Regulus. Plus he destroyed the real Horcrux, so more proof that he wanted Voldemort to become mortal again. I think that Harry (at the end of book 7) will sacrifice himself to save his friends, Ginny, and the rest of the world, but he WILL take Voldemort and the Death Eaters along with him. That would be a sad, yes, but nice and powerfully touching ending.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:43 pm
Harry being a Horcrux would be easy to predict and thus the element of surprise and suspense would be lessened if not totally destroyed. J.K. always manages to lead us in one direction and enthrall us in action so deeply that we really don't notice what is going on in the backround, that maybe the way she is leading us through her books isn't the quickest way.
Not to mention the prophecy. If everyword is to be taken literally then there is NO way that Harry could be a Horcrux and still come out of the last fight with Voldermort alive and would Voldermort want Harry dead? I know if I had a peice of my sould within somebody I would want to keep that person alive no matter what and the actions the Dark Lord showed during the 1st book (When he tried to kill Harry via Quirell *sp*), 2nd book,(When his first Horcrux decided to try and kill Harry), 4th book (trying to duel to the death with Harry), and 5th book ( in the Ministry of Magic with his followers and later on, try to do it himself). You wouldn't want to try and kill something that was keeping you alive.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:06 pm
Vivid Fizz Harry being a Horcrux would be easy to predict and thus the element of surprise and suspense would be lessened if not totally destroyed. J.K. always manages to lead us in one direction and enthrall us in action so deeply that we really don't notice what is going on in the backround, that maybe the way she is leading us through her books isn't the quickest way. Not to mention the prophecy. If everyword is to be taken literally then there is NO way that Harry could be a Horcrux and still come out of the last fight with Voldermort alive and would Voldermort want Harry dead? I know if I had a peice of my sould within somebody I would want to keep that person alive no matter what and the actions the Dark Lord showed during the 1st book (When he tried to kill Harry via Quirell *sp*), 2nd book,(When his first Horcrux decided to try and kill Harry), 4th book (trying to duel to the death with Harry), and 5th book ( in the Ministry of Magic with his followers and later on, try to do it himself). You wouldn't want to try and kill something that was keeping you alive. In the other books yes he tries to kill harry but only because he was desperate in trying to kill harry and come back. Harry has to be a Horcrux or there would no prophecy in the first place. The prophecy being, one has to die for the other to live is because you can't have the same person living at the same exact moment. Well I am talking about the souls, Voldemort's soul is in Harry. Thus making Harry a part of Volemort, just like all the other Horcrux by the way, and book four when he uses Harry's blood to come back he used his horcrux that was Harry. (I think I birdwalked a little.) So he was a Horcrux and it was not easy to predict before you found out about Horcruxes...... in this case before the release of book six.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:09 pm
CrazyMuggleGirl I knew that R.A.B. was Regulus Black the first time I saw the initials on the letter in the book. Has anyone else realised that J.K. mentions (not directly) Sirius' brother about 4 times in the first 10 chapters? I noticed immediatly and I smelled foreshadowing. (laughs) First of all, Regulus says in the letter (assuming that the writer IS Regulus) that he "Discovered Voldemort's secret." I think that Voldemort made HARRY into a Horcrux, and he dosen't want to KILL Harry, but USE him to become even more immortal. Regulus also writes "I face death in the hope that when you meet your match, you will be mortal once more." Obviously, HARRY is Voldemort's match, and Regulus must have chickened out of helping Voldemort, that's why he wanted him to be "mortal once more." That's also why Voldemort must have killed Regulus. Plus he destroyed the real Horcrux, so more proof that he wanted Voldemort to become mortal again. I think that Harry (at the end of book 7) will sacrifice himself to save his friends, Ginny, and the rest of the world, but he WILL take Voldemort and the Death Eaters along with him. That would be a sad, yes, but nice and powerfully touching ending. I wouldn't like that ending...But i do suppose many would like it. I would have Harry die because it makes it so much better and his nickname would make me laugh more. The-boy-who-lived and yet he dies at the end.....I think it would be a good idea to just let Voldemort win but i already believe that Voldemort is going to die, but i don't know is how harry is going to do it.
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:23 pm
Floating around somewhere on the Harry Potter subforum (and the internet at large) is a theory that makes more and more sense the more I think about it.
It states that the living chess game in the first book is a code for how the armies are going to work out.
I don't remember everything, but the Death Eaters are the white pieces and the good wizards are the black pieces. Cedric is represented by the first black pawn "killed". This pawn is "killed" by a white pawn (Wormtail). Sirius is one of the black Knights. The white queen is either Narcissa or Bellatrix.
Ron as the other knight (and the male closest to Harry even before Sirius or Dumbledore) gets clocked by the white queen to clear the path for Harry to take the white king, leading us to conclude that he is either killed or severely injured so that Harry can defeat Voldemort.
Now to add my own little spin:
Obviously, Voldemort is the white king, but who is the black king? One might say that the entire theory can be discounted because Dumbledore is the obvious choice for the black king.
BUT my theory is that Arthur Weasley is the king. We've had a lot of hints that he should be more powerful in the ministry than he is, and in the "Weasley is our King" song, it never specifies which Weasley (making it a handy foreshadowing device). Plus, out of all the Order of Pheonix fathers (Harry's, Neville's, and the Weasley's) he's the only one to remain intact. I think that he becomes MoM, or at least very prominent in the war.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:43 pm
Emerald_Jasmine Floating around somewhere on the Harry Potter subforum (and the internet at large) is a theory that makes more and more sense the more I think about it. It states that the living chess game in the first book is a code for how the armies are going to work out. I don't remember everything, but the Death Eaters are the white pieces and the good wizards are the black pieces. Cedric is represented by the first black pawn "killed". This pawn is "killed" by a white pawn (Wormtail). Sirius is one of the black Knights. The white queen is either Narcissa or Bellatrix. Ron as the other knight (and the male closest to Harry even before Sirius or Dumbledore) gets clocked by the white queen to clear the path for Harry to take the white king, leading us to conclude that he is either killed or severely injured so that Harry can defeat Voldemort. Now to add my own little spin: Obviously, Voldemort is the white king, but who is the black king? One might say that the entire theory can be discounted because Dumbledore is the obvious choice for the black king. BUT my theory is that Arthur Weasley is the king. We've had a lot of hints that he should be more powerful in the ministry than he is, and in the "Weasley is our King" song, it never specifies which Weasley (making it a handy foreshadowing device). Plus, out of all the Order of Pheonix fathers (Harry's, Neville's, and the Weasley's) he's the only one to remain intact. I think that he becomes MoM, or at least very prominent in the war. Wow! You're right, that makes sense, it would also make a very nice twist, good job! biggrin
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:10 am
All of these theories are very good rofl , it would certainly surprise some readers. Although the theory of Harry being a Horcrux is not posible, acording to JK Rowling anyway.
To back it up: To create a Horcrux in a living being it's very difficult, besides one of the differences Rowling gave us readers in their books is that Harry's soul is intact, diferentiated by Voldemort whose soul has been tampered and warped beyond recognition. Also, before Dumbledores "incident" he made it very clear to Harry upon the diferences between him and Voldemort.
I think there will be many deaths in the final book, since Rowling is fearful of it. Anyway in order to get a glimpse into the happenings of the final book, I'm doing research on all of Rowlings interviews and thoughts. 3nodding . If I find anything, I'll be sure to post.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:32 am
I think that the whole Regulas Black thing is dead on, the whole Horcrux thing I agree w/ the masses and don't think that he could be one, even though the theory makes for a great movie.
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:11 pm
ooc: ok this is as far off topic as it gets but, this is now my favorite thread on Gaia!!!!! I just got a pink link here and it will el pme with my quest^^(check out siggy)
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:03 am
Sir Zelgadis Orunitia All of these theories are very good rofl , it would certainly surprise some readers. Although the theory of Harry being a Horcrux is not posible, acording to JK Rowling anyway. To back it up: To create a Horcrux in a living being it's very difficult, besides one of the differences Rowling gave us readers in their books is that Harry's soul is intact, diferentiated by Voldemort whose soul has been tampered and warped beyond recognition. Also, before Dumbledores "incident" he made it very clear to Harry upon the diferences between him and Voldemort. I think there will be many deaths in the final book, since Rowling is fearful of it. Anyway in order to get a glimpse into the happenings of the final book, I'm doing research on all of Rowlings interviews and thoughts. 3nodding . If I find anything, I'll be sure to post. Also I would say that Dumbledore made it clear that The prodhacy was also made and is still bein gmade adn finished by voldemorts own will...the part with "while one must die while the other survives" or what ever it was..Dumbledore had said Harry is actign against Voldermort on revenge so the prophacy is not real....or well it doesnt have to happen and voldemort doenst understand that....And with harry being a horcrux it could be true or happen but I dont think so because is you also read on what was also said by dumbledore that if vodemort had choosen harry as one then vodmort would have to be able to control Harry too.....
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