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 Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:07 pm
So, I thought that this discussion was better moved to somewhere more appropriate than the joint thread, as this, for me at least, is becoming more of a broader issue having to do with the clan than just the nonsense happening between the Sands and The Shinigami Clan.
Anyone is welcome to post anything they like, but I would not like to see any flaming.
This is to be a civil discussion between equals about actual problems so hopefully we can all understand one another a little better, and hopefully come to some kind of solution.
Please, let's all be adults and keep it that way.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:19 pm
I'm just trying to keep out of this mess, reading it just gives me a headache.
But it looks like it going too far, now people are butting in who do not need to, and its causing more problems, and not fixing a thing.
It looks like they just wish to antagonize the situation more, instead of helping to fix it.
~Sighs~
I just think this is getting to be a pain in the a**, and annoying me.
=_=
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The Lady Shinigami Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:20 pm
Thanks Lent.
So.
You guys have a problem with my username.
You have a problem with me being who and what I am
You have a problem with me continuing an argument that has nothing to do with clan but me.
And you have a problem with me voicing my opinions.
Correct?
What else is there?
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:29 pm
To be quite honest, I am not entirely sure where to start. I feel very disappointed with the way this situation has escalated. I am disappointed in everyone involved, including myself.
Kaori, I feel like your actions reflect badly on the clan. Any clan member's actions paint a picture of what the clan is like as a whole. This goes for you more than anyone except Guyy. You are a Senior. You advertise the Shinigami name in your user name. Call yourself the Lady Shinigami. You are supposed to be vice president. I just can't see how don't recognize the fact that what you do reflects on the clan.
I am very disappointed with your behavior, which I see as trolling. It makes you unsavory to be around, which is lame, because I do like you. However, the way you are acting now is changing my opinion.
And this is not the first time I have seen you display as what I see as bad leadership skills. There have been other comments and happenings made in the recruitment thread that were rash and inappropriate.
One example being the way you attacked William in the thread one night simply because you were stressed out and and wanted to vent. What you did was rude, inappropriate, and uncalled for. I would like to say I took it personally, but I was not the only one who saw what you did was wrong, which was stated.
You were clearly wrong. Everyone thought so. Yet neither William nor I recieved any sort of apology.
This is just one other instance you have shown bad leadership.
I used to have so much respect for you, and I am losing that respect rapidly.
Even what you're doing now.
Lolololing. The same thing you were mad at KB for.
All I can do is shake my head.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:41 pm
I just don't see why this must continue.
I am not going to get involved, its not my place.
Now I am going back to doing dishes and see if that can distract me from my headache.
I'm sorry if I disappointed you Lent.
>.>;;
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:46 pm
I am not disappointed in you, Gabe. *hug*
However, this is not a continuation. This is a different issue altogether that has to do with something more major than Kaori's latest actions, in my opinion.
I hope your headache goes away. *hugs again*
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:50 pm
~Hugs~
Thanks.
I know.....its just frustrating and I can't think.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:00 pm
I understand how you feel. I'm quite frustrated myself. sweatdrop
Trying my best to be calm and collected.
Despite the fact I have been personally hurt and offended.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:12 pm
Yeah.....I don't like it when things like this happen. emo
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:13 pm
No one does. *shrug*
Hardly seems to prevent it, sadly.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:17 pm
~Sits back~
So...has it cooled off now?
On another note, what do you think of my avi?
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:17 pm
Lent..
I am disappointed in you.
You've put me on some sort of pedestal. Sorry, I'm just as lame as the next human being.
Too bad you've been let down.
So what. Every clan member does s**t that reflects badly on us from one time to another. We rant, vent and grow as people.
I am posting in my own thread. It's not trolling as I see it. Now if this behavior was displayed in BSB. Yes, that would be trolling. And I am one of two people that had the issue to begin with. If I were an outside party like KB or DV or Vanity.. then yes, this sort of behaviour would be considered trolling because they'd have nothing to do with the argument.
Also, posting inflammatory material to invoke a response.. guess who started it. Impact. He trolled me in the first place. I bet you hadn't read back that far. If anything I would see it that the trolls are the bsb lot. Including yourself, for trying to egg me into anger or what not. Even Ree then if that simple definition is all we are going by.
Frankly, I think anyone that has a problem with me standing up for what I believe in and for myself, is a coward.
They want the fight to go away. To not deal with crap. I know I am standing alone on this issue because I don't expect anyone else to stand up for me. And you know what, I don't care, because I'm strong like that.
But you really do learn who your real friends are when it comes to things like this. I don't expect anyone to think that a person fighting for their rights is a good thing, but you know what... there's a charter of rights and freedoms.. so guess what, each of us has a right to speak our minds. And if someone decides to look down on me for it. Whatever. That is their choice. They've drawn the line.
They do not have to stand up for me at all. I can do quite alright on my own thanks.
In saying this, Ree has opposed me on a few occasions, when I've spoken my mind. As you are. And that's cool, you are stating where you side and stand.
And I realize you don't like what I'm doing. But I'm not going to lay down and let people walk all over me for shits and giggles without getting my own shits and giggles out of the drama fest as well.
Ah, yes. That attacking thing.
And what was he doing in our thread Lent? Causing a fight. Guess what. Not happening on my watch. Think I like coming into the RC and there's s**t going down that shouldn't be there? no. DUH.
Neither of you demanded any sort of apology or what for. If I deem it is a worthy reason to apologize for, I may.
And I never flamed you Lent. Thus why should I be apologizing to you?
Bad leadership.. is like.. Hitler and his brainwashed Nazi's. And I'm sooo not going there.
You people have to realize that as much as you're going to shove it in my face that I am a leader of this clan I'm going to shove it right back and tell you I'm only human. *le gasp*
The only reason I am where I am is because I've been around longer than you lot. I don't boast being a perfect leader and everyone is always happy with the way I do things.
False. Surprise.
Guyy is the owner. He is the leader and does a wicked job of doing what he does. Manage things. Being diplomatic and the like.
I'm just like you Lent or like Ree. Just been here longer. That is all.
*Snerks* the lololol'ing well.. it is what it is. A diffusion.
Now then.
You want a leader. Guyy is it. Not me.
So stop trying to shove me on a pedestal, you'll be less disappointed.
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The Lady Shinigami Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:24 pm
I am speechless.
I need to calm down and just not say anything for a while.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:30 pm
That's cool.
Hopefully it makes sense. And people stop trying to force me into being something I am not.
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The Lady Shinigami Vice Captain
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Radiant Starry Dreamer Crew
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:40 pm
I'm going to make this simple. I have no problem with you standing up for yourself. However. Plain and simple, by being obstinate and flat out rude, you are trolling. And. Understand this. I remember your username being Kaori Yukiko. Now it is The Lady Shinigami. Linking yourself and your clan. Also, you were named senior in the rank thread. Never heard a peep of objection from you. If I missed it, I apologize. But. Senior. You DO have partial leadership, like Silver. Don't like it, don't want it, then step down. It won't make me think less of you. I doubt it'll make others think less of you. You have nearly four years of seniority over most of us. That naturally generates respect. You may have joined around the same time as I have, but you were playing at a level WAY beyond me at that time. The respect I had for your ability to spin plots and posts still lingers. Cuz you STILL pump out posts that put mine to shame. You may not like it, but you can not change the fact that people are going to automatically associate you with the clan. Realize this. The Black Sands is full of idiots and trolls. Stop expecting them to play by the rules. I withdrew from that thread because I've seen it as the cesspool of drama and elitism it is. I enjoyed rp'ing with Kay. But, I'm not staying there to just rp with the three people who will actually pay attention. I'm not going to say you should do the same. I am guilty of not backreading that thread much, so I can't say whether or not you've had the same experience. They're trolls. You may be human, but I know you're better than that. Sinking to their level sickened me. Your actions tonight disappointed me. The actions of the BSB'ers tonight have convinced me NOT to return to that thread. Tonight, I may just leave the clan. Because this? The Lady Shinigami Ree is usually against things that I do. *handwave* Like standing up for myself. *shrugs* whatever I'm a b***h. *laughs* Is exactly what you're complaining about. Got a problem with me? Yell at me. I'm a reasonable person, I'll be happy to discuss it with you. But just casually tossing that out there in a thread after I left, offends me on many levels.
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