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 Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:57 pm
So we had some deep discussions in the thread today. But as usual we got horribly, horribly off-topic. Here's a place to discuss your religious/spiritual/whatever views in a POSITIVE AND OPEN MANNER!
This is not a place to rant and bash peoples lifestyles.
If you are here it is to open your mind and the mind of others to other viewpoints. NOT TO CONVERT THEM.
If you are stuck, here are some ideas to consider:
Creation
Cyclical time
God, Gods
Nature
Evolution
Life, death and rebirth
If the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? And where does that end?
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:07 pm
Alright. I guess to get it started I'll talk about how I see things.
I'm not very certain on most things, but I do tend to lean more towards druidic/nativeamerican/shinto beliefs, but really it's just a big mix of many things I've come across. I read many science-fiction books, so there are a few things that are very science-based to me, even a bit crazy from Quantum Theory.
Like cyclical time. Tiem has no beginning and end, but is merely a large loop. Everything that happens has happened and will happen again.
I'm also a fan of Reincarnation, mostly because I have some odd habits and likes I can't explain, so I like to believe they are reminant from my spirit having another life that I can't quite remember. Also I think eternal bliss wound get boring after a few dozen centuries.
In my opinion; Life is the highest Bliss. If there is a Heaven, it must be a sort of waiting-room or vacation spot until we are reborn into this world. You can't truely feel happiness without the counterbalance of sorrow.
I don't believe in evil in nature. For example: Crows are often seen as symbols of death, but destruction is nessicary to make space for new life. I much better enjoy the crow as a reminder of the fleeting nature of existance.
I'm still not entuirely sure I believe in spirits though, dispite what I said earlier. I have a pack of Druidic Tarot cards though, and they're eerily correct and consistant... I also enjoy the druidic interpretation and discriptions for the cards.. (My crow example may or may not have come from that... )
Um.. I can't think of much else right now. But it should be enough to get you started. sweatdrop ninja
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:19 pm
I'm the same in that I have a mix of beliefs and that if their is a place-after-life that it is merely a waiting room.
I am not concrete in my beliefs nor do I seek out beliefs to defend, everyone needs their own answer (or lack thereof) to function and I refuse to take those away from anyone and in some cases will adapt bits of what they think into my own psyche.
I prefer to look at things logically, but if something cannot yet be proven? I'll listen to ideas.
I enjoy believing in beings on another plane of existence, whether they be 'spirits' or just creatures beyond our direct understanding. Also, I have a pack of tarot cards that I carry around that is all too accurate in face to face readings and even if the cards themselves are not 'mystic' I think that some power is at work.
While my family talks about Jesus and 'The Lord' and force their views on me, I generally just smile and nod. Perhaps their view is the only right one, perhaps not. But I don't think it matters one way or another. As long as you seek happiness, life is worth living.
....tuna.
....Yea, I'm done.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:13 pm
I know alot of people think that Tarot cards are a big hoax, and are generic to fit in with many different situations... Yet.. Every time I get the Cat reversed... Every single time.
I think part of it is that I don't push my readings, doing it several times in a row. I think if you do that it loses some of it's effectiveness. Maybe whatever powers the cards is very impatient or can't do it over and over.
I'm not sure if I believe in planes of existance. Perhaps it's more... Degrees of sensitivity? Like how dogs can't see colours.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:56 am
Well, I believe that in the beggining God created the heavens and the earth, and after in the seven days of creation, he went on to create the rest of the Earth. I do not believe in the new, emerging theories that maybe each day was a million years, or a long span of time like that. And God only made us and then guided us through evolution. I don't believe these because:
1. Why would God need a million billion years to create life. In the Bible it talks to us about how God, is not bound by time. years are like the passing seconds to him< being not bound by "time"
2. Why need evolution when you can get it right the first time? God is perfect, thus, he does not make mistakes. Evolution, made simple, is making things better or adapting them to better suit the environment, put better in other words by Darwin. Why would God make something incomplete when he could get it perfectly the first time?
Anyway, I also believe that Jesus is my lord and savior. HE came to Earth to die on the cross, thus forgiving our sins with God so he could have personal relationships with him. Before our sins were forgiven, God only had "personal relationships' with the High Priests of the Jews because that was their job. God couldn't talk to us because we were living in sin and God couldn'tbe near or enter into sin.
I believe that I am going to heaven. I also do believe their is a hell, and people do go there. Don't ask me the specifics, because i don't know. I do believe that babies and children, if they die at that age, all go to heaven because Jesus, in one teaching, described children as this, "And these are what makes the kingdom of heaven. All who seek to enter must first become like a child." Not as in immaturatey.
On the subject of Atheism, and various other religions. Not that this is a bashing, this is what I think.
I truly believe there is a God and heaven and ect. I believe that those who do not choose to believe, are stuck in this mindset humanity has to get answers, so they make they're own interpretation and fake religions to fill the void. I don't believe scientoligists or mormons are true christians. Mormons rewrote the Bible, on the pretense an angel told them. Well, God commands that any but he who tell someone to change the Bible, don't listen. If God had sought to change the Bible, he would have when it was being made.
Sorry bout that. I have a lot to say XD
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:02 am
I have one more thing XD
I hate, no thats to strong, I extremely dislike the Christians out their who force they views on the Earth. Those that go door to door and force people to open the doors, those that stand on streetcorners and shout to the world they're going to hell, those that thump the Bible in the faces of those that don't see it they're way. It disgusts me. And then the world has a mindset of those people when they think "Christian" It is horrible to say you are a christian these days because then people are afraid to talk to you because they think you're going to go "Jesus Freak" on them.
Also, wieji bords, tarot cards, the like. I believe they are influenced by darker forces. On top of God, he did banish Satan and his followers to Earth, so they do have some control when you let them in through things like that. I also believe witchcraft and sorcery and prophets and seers do exist, because they were in the Bible, possesed by dark forces, or at least guided by them.
As i said, just my belief
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:57 am
Kotura I know alot of people think that Tarot cards are a big hoax, and are generic to fit in with many different situations... Yet.. Every time I get the Cat reversed... Every single time. I think part of it is that I don't push my readings, doing it several times in a row. I think if you do that it loses some of it's effectiveness. Maybe whatever powers the cards is very impatient or can't do it over and over. I'm not sure if I believe in planes of existance. Perhaps it's more... Degrees of sensitivity? Like how dogs can't see colours.
I always do my readings once, what is revealed is what is revealed. People may accept or deny it as they wish, y'know~?
That's more how I think of it, have you ever observed a baby? They do- or try to do really intricate things. Or try and get others to. I've always thought that they can see some type of rhyme or reason for what they do, but dunno. Maybe they're just flailing about and reacting late.
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:51 pm
My family is Christian. I myself am a non practicing Christian. So please allow me to explain:
1. Yes, I do believe in evolution, because while they say "God" is perfect, we weren't. So what if He decided we needed to go on a journey to develop our souls and minds in order to be able to even get close to His holiness?
2. In that retrospect, I also believe in reincarnation, simply because of the reason I just gave you. I believe that we humans learn from our mistakes, but there's also a lot of them to get though. I've come to the conclusion that "Death" is basically a reset button, but the thing is, we don't remember our past life, so we're forced to repeat those mistakes without ever knowing we've made them before and we have no way to avoid the follies.
3. The concept of "Sin" to me is those mistakes that are keeping us from ever reaching "God" and keeping us here on Earth. [Well duh]
4. On the subject of December 12, 2012, I've heard several theories but the one that stood out to me the most was it's suppose to be some kind of great spiritual-emotional awakening, and one leg of the journey to reach our "Heavenly Father" is complete.
5. In regard to what Kuchiki Riuku said about the extreme Christians who stand out on the streets, I believe that people will eventually get the unconscious idea of wanting to believe in something bigger than themselves (other than atheists), and perhaps they're afraid and want to believe there's something after "Death," and that's why the early humans created the concept of "God."
6. There's also people who don't understand all the religion mumbo-jumbo and say "Aw, ******** it all, I'm livin' the way I want." who aren't atheists Mormons or whatever, and don't want nothing to do with religion. I sympathize with those too, as I tend to have that train of thought myself.
I understand that a lot of what I said may be hard to sink in, because there are some contradictions because I came up with the wording of this post right on the spot, so if anyone needs any further clarification, please feel free to send me a pm.
...this may just be the longest reply I've ever written...
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:26 am
WARNING: A lot of personal TLDR drivel in here, but feel free to read, I love telling stories. :,D ... Color coding by topic? :/
I feel so strange in "what I believe in" and all, the thing I care about most is people respecting others. Texting while driving, complaining at restaurants, I go totally god mode when I see that and verbally smite people, I'm such a high and mighty little slut. XD
I'm very set in my ways, and stuff like the way things are created are treated as fact. I believe in evolution, and I really honestly don't care about religion one bit. It kind of makes me sick, especially living in a house of Catholics.
Til I'm 18, my grandparents want me to go to church so I have a "religious background". That's all fine and well, but they won't even allow me to CONVERT. I can see pseudo buddhism or something, shintoism (Going to Japan was AMAZING) but I really really REALLY dislike Catholicism/Christianity, most likely because it's so widespread among the US and where I've lived that I'm downright sick of the intolerance for other things.
As ANYBODY whose spoken to me knows, I don't care for the norm, and most definitely get intolerance with everything I do, to varying degrees.
I. Don't. Give. One. s**t. About what a lot of people have to say about the way I think and all, if it's not influencing your life immediately, why do you care that I don't like boys, or that I REALLY love the look of cats, or that I have bad boundary issues. The last I can see being a problem, but you get the drift.
I don't say s**t about you, yada yada. Although I talk a lot of s**t, mainly with fad things, but that's moreso related to the money wasted on that that could be used on something PRODUCTIVE.
You don't need the newest pair of lime green Uggs. North Face? You can head to Target for a sweatshirt for 1/10 the price.
I'm REALLY not going to say that I've been through a lot of s**t in my life, as I know I've had it FAR easier than others, but living with an alcoholic without a job who JUST SO HAPPENS to steal prescription meds from your biological parent while suckling at their social security teat is not much fun.
I hated to be the only one awake until 3 in the afternoon, and I hated that any food we had was infested by some sort of vermin, or stuffed in a freezer.
Honestly, such indulgences make me sick for the one simple reason that it's a teen trend. Once again, I don't mind it, but as a TEEN TREND, and being in the affluent area I've been ever so graciously tossed into with my grandparents, I see NO SHORTAGE of kids who have never lifted a finger in their lives, and get a new car when they turn 16. Oh no, Billy isn't going to wrap it around a pole because he just HAD to text his friend. Clearly whatever he had going on is far more important than his safety and the safety of others.
Positively ridiculous.
A little off topic, but this is more for any other kids of divorced parents.
I live 7 states away from my dad, and haven't seen him in two years. We talk occasionally and all, but he's off raising four kids and working and all, so I very seldom get replies to emails and things.
I was watching Soul Eater, and the main character asks her father (Who she seriously loathes, but she lost a bet in a way) on a date, and he, very excited, envisions giving her his coat when it's chilly, eating crepes, etc.
Is it wrong to completely forget that you have a father until you see that sort of thing? Initially, of course, being the TOTAL SAP I AM, sat and gushed at how cute it was (I'm such a sucker for parent-child relationships and all) I kind of stared at my wall and just... Stared. I don't know what I was thinking, and I wound up with "Man, I can't wait til we can do that someday" til a wave of uneasiness fell over me. I really don't know what I would do in that situation. We don't know each other anymore.
More of a rant, so my apologies, but I had to get it out. X3
EDIT: Oh god, I killed the thread. gonk
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:30 am
Techie Creek
I always do my readings once, what is revealed is what is revealed. People may accept or deny it as they wish, y'know~?
That's more how I think of it, have you ever observed a baby? They do- or try to do really intricate things. Or try and get others to. I've always thought that they can see some type of rhyme or reason for what they do, but dunno. Maybe they're just flailing about and reacting late.
I'll have to actually do a reading for myself at some point, I think it'll be fun! (On the topic, I realized, once again, that I sleep on top of a Ouija board. BAD KARMA?) HRM. I'll have to spend more time staring at kids at work (... Or not, that may get me arrested) or something, I never noticed that.
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:46 pm
I will first off say I am an Atheist so be warned I probably have a very diffrent view then most on the subject of religion, I will make it short an to the point rather then waste allot of time
The creation of man I see as an evolution of spices I do believe we are directly related to apes(chimpanzee's) over of 100's of 1000's of 10,000,000's of years we evolved into what we are now! Are we done surely not there is always still ways to go
In time I believe time began when well the first second happened is what we would consider time which that be 0000xx's of years ago trillions of katiliens so on an so forth, do I think time will stop, well maybe for a planet but time in itself no
Nature is something that has been on this planet ever since the meteors 35billion years ago or so[earth is estimated at 45billion] stopped landing with the lava flow the meteors brought with them water which help create the ocean an then the land but those also brought parasites and Moluccas an other things that seemed to thrive on are planet thus the creation of all nature so to say
Man evolved I believe that 100% I don't think we were the first of are species to show up like I said I believed we are the evolution of an ape of some sort
You live born well you know how that happens
Death its something that is going to happen I believe I'll just be rotting in the ground when dead
As for rebirth I do not believe in it but there is nothing that says it can not happen but I myself do not believe in any of that
The universe is ever expanding little by little each day an will never stop there is no stop for the universe creates it, its like a coral reef's in a way the universe will expand but to keep it from growing to wild an out of control there are bodies out there such as the supernova's or black-holes that can literally take out apart of the galaxy thus making it a stalemate
I could talk about all this for hours[days on the universe stuff] but I will not this was short an sweet on how I feel
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:18 pm
like the dude from the knowing said...
"I believe s**t just happens."
[sorry if this wasnt "deep" enough. sweatdrop ]
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:40 pm
Sound is everything.
We use our eyes more but you can hear so much MORE.
If you listen you can hear everything in the world it seems
There's an old idea... the 'Music of Creation'
Why not? Don't we look for things in wavelengthes.
What happens when we translate these to music?
Maybe we'll learn more. Maybe not.
But given the sheer chaos of the universe, anything is worth a shot.
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