Ask Gracchvs: Definitions

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☭Gracchvs

 

[Le Pere Duchesne]

Um, thanks for that. However I'd like to keep this thread for questions and answers, and not so much for debate. Rob made a thread to take this up in, which I believe you've already posted in. Would you mind re-posting that post in that thread? I'd much appreciate it. =) I'll be posting my reply in that thread.

edit: You should probably read my response to Rob in that thread, as well, because that might bring up some points to counter those you've raised.

☭Gracchvs

 

[SoViEtTaNkT34]

NEGATIVE DIALECTICS @_@

(Im joking since thats what Im reading right now and will probably make a post later explaining it)  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

SoViEtTaNkT34

NEGATIVE DIALECTICS @_@

(Im joking since thats what Im reading right now and will probably make a post later explaining it)

Awesome, because my response to this post is "WTF?"

☭Gracchvs

 

[Aerliniel]

Luxemburgism?  

[The Curse]

Aerlinniel C Robleda

Luxemburgism?

The ideology of the tiny country of Luxembourg, stuck between France and Germany and created as apart of a power and territory arrangement, I believe of the League of Nations but it may have predated that.

It's definitely got nothing to do with a probably fictional individual from the communist movements of old and definitely did indeed butcher the glorious spelling of the great nation of Luxembourg.  

[Aerliniel]

The Curse

Aerlinniel C Robleda

Luxemburgism?

The ideology of the tiny country of Luxembourg, stuck between France and Germany and created as apart of a power and territory arrangement, I believe of the League of Nations but it may have predated that.

It's definitely got nothing to do with a probably fictional individual from the communist movements of old and definitely did indeed butcher the glorious spelling of the great nation of Luxembourg.

stare  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

The Curse

Aerlinniel C Robleda

Luxemburgism?

The ideology of the tiny country of Luxembourg, stuck between France and Germany and created as apart of a power and territory arrangement, I believe of the League of Nations but it may have predated that.

It's definitely got nothing to do with a probably fictional individual from the communist movements of old and definitely did indeed butcher the glorious spelling of the great nation of Luxembourg.

If you're going to be smart arse, you could at least look up the country in question...

Luxemburgism is two totally different things.

1: There is the ideology of Rosa herself, which is a kind of anti-Leninist Leninism, that is, she denounced Lenin and Leninism for a whole bunch of s**t purely because she didn't know what was going on in Russia and some of the things she denounced didn't in fact happen. Then when Germany had its own uprising, she acted exactly like Lenin did lol.

2: nonsense that has nothing to do with her except a bunch of liberals stole the name.  

[Aerliniel]

Le Pere Duchesne

Marxist monarchist? confused

Thank you for your answer to my earlier question btw wink  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

As near as I can tell the definition of Marxist Monarchist is 'lolwattf?'  

[Aerliniel]

Le Pere Duchesne

As near as I can tell the definition of Marxist Monarchist is 'lolwattf?'

On "History of the Russian Revolution", in the chapter of 'The army and the war', page 189 (at least in my version), it says the following (I'll put here a whole paragraph):
"The liberals and the half-liberal socialists tried afterward to represent the revolution as a patriotic uprising. On the 2nd of March Miliukov explained to the French journalists: "The Russian Revolution was made in order to remove the obstacles on Russia's road to victory." Here hypocrisy goes hand in hand with self-deceit--the hypocrisy somewhat the larger of the two. The candid reactionaries saw things clearer. Von Struve, a German Pan-Slavist, a Lutheran Greek Orthodox, and a Marxist monarchist, better defined the actual sources of the revolution, although in the language of reactionary hatred. "Insofar as the popular, and especially the soldier, masses took part in the revolution it was not a patriotic explosion but a self-demobilization, and was directed straight against a prolongation of the war. That is, it was made in order to stop the war."

On the chapter that marxists.org has it is shown as 'Marxian monarchist', it appears on the 21st paragraph from the end of chapter 13 of the first book of history of the russian revolution, that is here. So, just what is a Marxist/Marxian monarchist? (yes I am being serious)  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

ahhh ok, talking about Struve, lol
Way back when, the monarchy only cared about the peasant-supporters, so when the early Marxists turned up and started criticizing the Narodniks from a revolutionary perspective, they didn't get censored because the government didn't understand Marxism. So for a couple f years there was a 'legal' marxist movement, and Struve was one of the main 'legal Marxists'. (There's also a whole thing to do with when the censors figured out what was going on and the 'Legal Marxists' decided that they should drop all talk of revolution in order to remain legal. Lenin kicked their arses. 3nodding )

Anyway, when he says "Von Struve, a German Pan-Slavist, a Lutheran Greek Orthodox, and a Marxian monarchist" he is referring to his personal history: Struve was a German Lutheran with Marxist training and a kinda marxist understanding of the world (though not a marxist view, if that makes sense), but called for the unification of all the Slavs under the Russian Tzar and Orthodox church.  

[Aerliniel]

Left communism? (sorry I'm asking so many things sweatdrop )  

[red_shadow1917]

A purist belief set that sees itself working with only "pure proletarian organization" which is kind of silly as people have differing perspectives and relative class consciousness. If we had this "pure" working class then there would be no need for a party or this discussion as the revolution in social conditions would have miracled itself into existence. QED we're haing this discussion so obviously a "pure proletarian organization" does not exist. That said the task would be more of education and action instead of posturing as to whom is more perfect in their group, mass actions take a massive group of imperfect people to cause change while the perfect does nothing thinking itself the end instead of the means of improvement.  

[Le Pere Duchesne]

To expand on what Shadow said, the Left-Wing Communists were a tendency early in the Third International that had a lot of former Anarchists, who were won over to Marxism by the practical example of the October Revolution.

This tendency was mainly in Germany, the Low Countries, and England. Lenin's critique of them in Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder characterised them as opponents of the peasantry, advocates of 'revolutionary unions', abstention from parliament, and advocates of some kind of leaderless organisation. I think Lenin's characterisation is a bit off (you can have a read of the response of the 'Left' to Lenin's pamphlet here), primarily due to the very different conditions in Western Europe at the time, but I won't bother to deal with that here.