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Gabrielle_AnimalLuver

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:51 am


This is not meant to be a debate about morals or anything. Simply going veg could help you loose weight and be healthier. I've studied nutrition quite a bit, and personally don't think meat belongs in the human diet. Not to say I don't enjoy a good cheeseburger or even a light chicken, but we're not really equipped to digest the stuff. We have to destroy it at high temperatures just to be able to consume it and by then, most nutrients have been destroyed.

Of course you can go wrong with a Vegetarian diet as well. Substituting your meat for carb heavy pastas can be even worse for your weight loss. And if you don't get your protein and fat, you may find yourself suffering.

Lately I've taken to cutting down on my meat intake and increasing the amount of nuts and veggies I eat. I have noticed an increase in my weight loss. I have more energy, more strength and more endurance than any of my friends who eat meat every day. So I think the stereotypical vegetarian being a stick thin weak sickly person is ridiculous. Just take a look at this 72 year old vegan body builder!

It's also a way to reduce your footprint and be more environmentally friendly. As I'm sure most people know, the energy involved in raising, feeding, slaughtering and transporting Cattle is a lot more than it takes to grow some veggies, nuts, or even grains for pasta or bread. Not to mention, most of your meat (unless you pay extra for organic) has all kinds of growth hormones in them. Which has been linked with cancer and the decreasing age at which kids are hitting puberty.

Anyway, all this to say, since most people here are looking to loose weight the healthy way, and be healthier, I thought it might be worth sharing that a vegetarian or vegan diet can do wonders for your health.

On a side note, raw foods are also healthier since nutrients and enzymes which help you digest get destroyed with heat.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:25 am


Wow. You came right out and said what I've been trying to say for a while.

I don't think that humans aren't meant to eat meat, but I do think that we eat far far too much meat these days...

Cheese and dairy (especially the way we eat them now) are what I think we're not meant to eat. : P

Tandahda
Crew


Lally Moxious

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:45 pm


humans have the canine teeth and the sufficient digestive enzymes to handle meat (because we're excellent omnivores), but for most part it really depends on the type of meat you eat. a lot of livestock, like you say, are pumped full of hormones which makes them gain a lot of weight in fat... furthermore when the meat is processed a lot of the fibrous proteins are destroyed, which increases transit time through the intestines (the more contact the food has with your intestines the higher your risk of cancer down there). not to mention all the extra additives and salt... lay off the hotdogs gonk cook fresh meat yourself!

i've not really eaten beef all my life, but then i went totally vegetarian for a few months and was anaemic lol. i know a lot of vegetarians who seem fine but be warned that iron from green vegetables is not the best source of iron because it's non-haem and a far inferior source of iron to animal products, which contain haem iron. an ideal diet does include some animal products.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:15 pm


Stating that 'an ideal diet includes some animal products' is flippant and offensive when you're talking to vegetarians/vegans who obviously believe differently. However I will take in response that stating that vegetarianism and veganism being the best diet to meat eaters is also flippant and offensive.

If you were anemic on a vegetarian diet, you might have a genetic predisposition, in which eating meat might be best for you, but the much more likely answer is that you weren't doing it properly. And that's easy. Vegetarians are often not enabled by the people around them and especially their families to get proper nutrition. It takes a fair amount of work and you have to remember why you're doing it.

Please look up studies before you talk about increased risks of cancer.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070522081943.htm

This is a wonderfully sourced article on cancer and animal sourced diets. http://www.vegsource.com/harris/cancer_vegdiet.htm

What you do with your body is your own concern and always will be, but the best reason I can think of that hotdogs are popular and advertised is because there's SO MUCH unusable product from mass scale factory farms, there is too much product.

Too many vegetarians lean on soy too much, they ignore beans, lentils, and other sources of minerals and vitamins. Hell, too many vegetarians (and I was like this when I was vegetarian) too many simply forget about protein completely.

It's more than possible to eat a bad diet as a vegetarian, when I met my fiance he went through a pound of cheese a week, and ate ommlets, and pasta with canned tomato sauce on it. The whites of his eyes were practically yellow because he was severely iron deficient.

You can use any excuse you want, to keep eating meat. But that's all it is, because at the very root of the issue, you're holding the status quo so very nicely. Being vegetarian doesn't need to be defended, doesn't need to be excused, because the very act of making a change is active, it takes work and you do it for your own reasons and much as you'd like, you cannot, CANNOT force anyone else to change. Trying to recruit others to your cause is trying to help them see the bonds of culture that bind them. By eating meat, you're simply being passive.

Tandahda
Crew


Lally Moxious

PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:00 am


first and foremost i was and am in no way exerting a defence on eating meat, an attack on vegetarianism or trying to persuade anyone into eating differently. if you feel anything i said was insulting, a few sentences were typed on whim and i apologise for it. if an extension of what i did mean by my "flippant and offensive" blip will smooth it out:

from an evolutionary pov, yes meat can be and is instinctively integrated into a human diet, however human resourcefulness, ingenuity along with raw initiative has allowed us to cut that part out completely -but- at the end of the day being fully equipped to digest animal products is proof that it is an element that should be incorporated into a human diet and obviously is done by eating animal products. however vegetarians/vegans eat otherwise and naturally and can be equally healthy. (no it doesn't sit with my use of the word "ideal" but bear with me because i did type it on whim)

info of causes of cancer (including increased risk of colon cancer from eating processed meats)
more

the link between cancer and meat eating in general is something i have yet to read about (while vegsource.com does source reliable evidence i believe it comes with a does of bias being a vegetarian eating site). please don't bring your moral qualms with eating meat to me because it's not something i intended to bring up and i believe it's the same case with the op.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:16 pm


Lally Moxious

from an evolutionary pov, yes meat can be and is instinctively integrated into a human diet, however human resourcefulness, ingenuity along with raw initiative has allowed us to cut that part out completely -but- at the end of the day being fully equipped to digest animal products is proof that it is an element that should be incorporated into a human diet and obviously is done by eating animal products.


Well, from an evolutionary point of view, without fire, we would not be capable of digesting meat. We are the only species that cook our food. We may have the teeth to chew meat, but our digestive tract would not handle it.

And dogs are capable of digesting plastic, but that's no proof that it belongs in their diet. They happen to have extremely short and harsh digestive tracks that allow them to digest just about anything. They are equipped to eat meat, as they're digestive track is so much shorter than ours, any bad bacteria in the meat would not have time to settle and cause any harm.

Gabrielle_AnimalLuver


GidgetGEARZ

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:06 am


You shouldn't be doing it for weight loss. If you do it right and given you are somewhat healthy before, you probably won't even lose any weight. Health-wise.. It depends on the person and their habbits.

I gained weight when I went vegetarian about a year and a half ago.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:37 am


It is personal choice but I noticed a increase in energy since being a vegetarian.

vanilla_bean_frappichino


Gabrielle_AnimalLuver

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:29 pm


Hismrsrich
It is personal choice but I noticed a increase in energy since being a vegetarian.

same (sept for cutting down on meat, not cutting out completely.) Today I had a chicken pita (and on white bread at this greasy restaurant crying ) and then my mom made cheeseburgers for dinner (with chips...) and I feel so crappy. Like I don't even have the energy to burn it off. Plus I feel bloated and gross.

Yesterday I had the tastiest sandwhich EVER. Veggie on a whole wheat wrap, with tofu, alfalfa sprouts, brie cheese, humus etc. Had some nuts and carrot sticks for snack. Actually I didn't have ANY meat that day and I think the day before, and I biked around 80km that day xd
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:04 pm


i became vegetarian almost two years ago. & because i was one of those who substituted meat with fatty foods, i lost about 15 pounds & have been there pretty much ever since. since i've been changing my diet recently(eating less carbs & dairy foods, adding more beans & legumes) i've noticed a signifigant increase in my energy, as well as easier weight loss. i've also always loved dark leafy greens such as spinach, so i've never had a problem with iron.

so, it works for me, but only if i do it correctly. any diet high in fat & carbs is bound to make you gain, meat or not.

pinkcatminht


pinkcatminht

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:05 pm


Crazy Cat Reincarnated
Yesterday I had the tastiest sandwhich EVER. Veggie on a whole wheat wrap, with tofu, alfalfa sprouts, brie cheese, humus etc. Had some nuts and carrot sticks for snack. Actually I didn't have ANY meat that day and I think the day before, and I biked around 80km that day xd
that sounds absolutely delicious eek
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:50 pm


Dia Dementia
Crazy Cat Reincarnated
Yesterday I had the tastiest sandwhich EVER. Veggie on a whole wheat wrap, with tofu, alfalfa sprouts, brie cheese, humus etc. Had some nuts and carrot sticks for snack. Actually I didn't have ANY meat that day and I think the day before, and I biked around 80km that day xd
that sounds absolutely delicious eek

Oh ya and it has some kind of pepper spread, mushrooms and baby spinach. Might be one or two other things, I ask for it all dressed cause I'm not picky.

To add to what I was saying earlier, about having more energy after cutting down my meat intake. I was more tired today than I had been all summer. I realized I had a pork chop for supper last night, and a sausige McMuffin for breakfast. Not entirely by choice. That's what my parents made/brought home so I ate it.

Gabrielle_AnimalLuver

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