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 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:17 pm
This is not an official herd thread. Those who have kirin in the Nomads herd (and you all know who you are) can post here in the discussions as we progress in fully developing Aerithe's largest functioning herd. O.O Topics Up for DiscussionNew Members - We're bringing them in all the time! Traditions - Anyone want anything to become a tradition, like wintering together and preggorz mares going back to the home range until eggus are laid and hatched and the foals are steady enough to become nomadic again? All these things are up for discussion, and more, if anyone wants it! biggrin SO HAVE AT THE DISCUSSION!!! As a final note, I'll hammer out some of the administrative details with Fel, but for the moment, it's all open to discussion. ^^ UPDATE!!!Nomads has been reclassified by elfy and Fel as Aerithe's first tribe. As a result, we're blazing a trail on an even more massive scale than we thought when I first started thinking about this little binary nomadic herd, one of stallies, the other of mares and foals. xd As a result, the various families of Nomads will each divide into smaller herds. There are currently four herds in Aerithe, though more may form as time goes by. Nomads will occupy the Crescent Mountain Range, the mountains where Tuyet was born. Each fully fledged herd will have a valley to itself, and a list of herds, leaders, and heirs will be listed below with any necessary footnotes. The leadership of Nomads will be a council of the lead stallion of each herd, with the heir as not only the next leader of their herd but also as a future member of the Elder Council of Nomads. If we decide on fitness being an important requirement to being in the Elder Council, the test will be to make it to the tabletop mountain where the Council meets. We should also start considering how we want to address the formation of new herds in the Nomads Tribe. All suggestions on this matter, on new members to the tribe, and on any traditions anyone would like to see are welcome. There will also be a poll on whether or not we want to change the name of Nomads, given that the tribe will cease to be nomadic by the end of the year. Nostalgia is a perfectly valid reason to keep the name Nomads, and if there is a sufficient majority to vote for a change, we can discuss alternate names. But I'd like to see a 3/4 majority to change the name, in all fairness. ^^; Enfys and Iris Heir: Keshet* Abhyagni and Lakshmi Heir: Karishma** Tuyet and Annora Heir: TBD Wystan and Ashia Heir: TBD Heir Footnotes *Keshet is a fully-fledged pryrin. **Kari is currently the only female heir in Nomads. As a result, it will not be surprising if she has to work her tail off, fight a lot, and generally struggle to maintain her position as her father's heir. It is discouraged that mares should be heirs, but Kari will be an exception, rather than the rule. More is expected of her than of any other heirs.
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:42 pm
Just putting in my two-cents' on territory: there's a family of kirin headed by a somewhat territorial stallion at Great Leap Waterfall, and Enfys wants to stay away marshes, mountains, the Lake of Tears and the Lake of Memories: he doesn't care for marshes and mountains; his kirkani family lived around the Lake of Memories, and they were killed around the Lake of Tears. ^^;
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:57 pm
Wow, that's harsh. >.o But reasonable, I bet it would hurt him to be in the places where his family had once been and where they were killed.
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:02 pm
That, and saying, "Yeah, I don't like this lake because my family lived and was killed here," would lead to a lot of awkward questions Enfys isn't ready to answer, and is afraid will drive other kirin away from him. He lost his family to fear once, he refuses to lose it again. ^^;
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 3:05 pm
I can understand that. ^^
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:24 pm
*grumbles* My giant post of doom got deleted. And it had all kinds of ideas! Okay, just a sec, I'll try to remember what I wrote.
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:32 pm
Basic summary of my previous st00fs with less awesome:
Suggestions:
-For organization, each herd has it's own leader(s) and ranks. Once a year the herd leaders get together and pick the overall leader who is then in charge of mediating disputes and organizing multi-herd defense.
-For defense - and to satisfy that wandering itch - each herd has it's own territory, yes, but they're also shared? Or defense is shared, at least, and trespassing by herd alliance members is tolerated within reason. This way small groups can go out on adventures and stuff and still have a home territory to come back to as long as enough alliance members stay behind at the home range.
-For foals... well, they're vulnerable. How should we address that vulnerability? The larger herds will be fine, but the smaller herds will probably have to rely on the other herds providing common defense quite a bit.
Or maybe:
-Each herd has it's own territory which it returns to at certain times of the year when it would be advisable to be near other herds, like during foal season. That way they can all be nomadic (or semi-nomadic) and still have a safe "home base" to return to.
Potential problems:
-Herd size. Individual herd sizes will change a lot, how will they handle territory division? Should that be something the overall leader is in charge of? Because if all of the territories are right next to each other, there will be problems.
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:33 pm
I haven't quite officially joined yet, so I hope nobody's offended by my popping in sweatdrop
kit and elfy both, I think you have a good thing going with the pregnant mares returning to the larger herd (or even one of the larger subsets) when carrying. Then remain for a time until the foals are large enough. It would solve the problem of defense in the smaller herds and pairbonds.
It might also be a good idea to start the sub-herds a little smaller (four or five) if they have a breeding pair with eggs or are going for breeding slots in the next month. It'd give at least some wiggle room if the Kirin wanted to stay with their families for awhile (or permanently).
I don't know that territory will be so much an issue, depending on how it's handled. If the individual herds all defer to Enfys, even crossing territory shouldn't be too much of an issue unless one herd leader is particularly headstrong or decides to break off completely. Which could lead to some interesting plotting XD
kit, I like your idea on organization 3nodding Hehe.. like an elder council of sorts.
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:05 pm
Not at all, since you're planning on joining~
I agree with making small family herds so that they have room to grow, but we'll have to careful with spacing out the territories so that they're all within shouting distance of each other, but still have room to expand should that individual herd grow. Because I took a look at the other threads in the subforum and the size of each herd's territory will change with the size of the herd, not counting foals.
One definite herd is going to be:
Abhyagni, Lakshmi, Lakshmi spawn. And Prabhat (the youngest spawn) is going to be a total rebel and break off from the entire mega-herd once he's old enough. Abhy won't have problems with other mega-herd members dropping by, especially if they help scout the area. xd
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:40 am
Mew... Enfys' past goes so deep, and Iris knows nearly nothing of it. xD
Ok, you're all talking about systems that I mmhm to, so I guess I'll try to put us on the map.
How about the Crescent Mountain Range, in hidden pockets of valleys? One valley is separate from the next, so the various (sub?) herds are able to have some space to themselves... but when they wish to huddle in winter they all head to the deepest and largest one, closed in from all sides from the harshest wind and with a few "cubbyholes" in the mountains for them to hide in at night. .-. Very "Silver Brumby", I know.
Heck, we could even have family drama when part of mountain caves in, trapping a few members.
Also, if leaders wish to meet up for council, well... how many important settings can a mountain range provide? xD
Tabletop mountain with a particularly steep slope that ensures only the fittest stallions stay leaders, anyone? We can even make up a less daunting reason for it. "Oh the top is flat, signifies that everyone's views are on equal footing regardless of herd size and everyone will be herd!"
/political waffle >.>
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:14 am
Crescent Mountain Range sounds good for a home range for Nomads. It allows the various branches of the herd to grow while still being in range. It also affords some safety for those raising foals, and foals raised in the mountains will be quite sturdy. If we want to designate one fairly secure valley as a place for foals to be raised, it'll help with protecting the foals. 3nodding Any other opinions on this? ^^;
The "elder council" thing sounds like a good idea. Since it sounds like everyone wants Enfys (unless we go for elections) to be the one everyone defers to, let's go with him being the one in charge, with leaders of the rest of the bands also being part of the council. The overall leader (sounds like it's going to be Enfys, unless we want to do elections of some sort) should probably be the arbiter of disputes, the one arranging multi-herd defense, etc. The only other stallies who at this juncture will probably also be on the council are Abhy and Tuyet. The tabletop mountain as a council site sounds like a good idea. ^^
Next concept for you guys: heirs. Each herd has a pair, who will take over leadership of the herd if something goes wrong with the current leaders. One of the major reasons I'm keeping Kesh with his family is the fact that Kesh is going to be Enfys' heir. Whether the smaller bands want to select an heir to their council seat is up to them, but Enfys has Kesh. ^^;
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:54 pm
I agree with everything Llia posted... I was actually planning on suggesting the Crescent Mountains myself, but with much less awesome reasoning. xd
And if we're going to do the flattop mountain, how about we scrap the overall-leader thing? All of the reasons I outlined to have one won't be nearly half as important in the mountains. Enfys will probably still get a great deal of deference since he led the herd so long but Abhy... well, if he gets his own valley it'll get to his head a bit. He'll want equal footing and he'll be quite willing to fight over Enfys getting too much official power (if any) unless there's either a voting system in place and/or fights/contests to find the most fit stallion. (Ironically, he'd probably vote for Enfys, possibly Tuyet.)
Heirs sound good, but maybe we should leave it up to each herd? Like maybe it's more of an unofficial "When I die, you get my valley" type deal? Although if that's the main function of a heir, I could see it becoming a central part of their culture. Finding a worthy heir to succeed you and all that.
PS Mountains = win. Always.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:18 am
I think Temper will be leaving, just due to his current theory on life. (Given he's an adult now and has had time to formulate his own theories and thought processes)
Temper is an exclusive Pryrin, who also eats the dead. While he does kill to eat he much prefers pre-killed meals that have been permitted to drain of blood. This includes pre-killed Kirin. He would never and cannot fathom harming another Kirin, but he views eating the dead as a sacred act, and refuses to ignore a corpse, even one of his own kind.
I think I want to take him to start his own herd of Carrion eaters.
As for this herd, he may still want to visit from time to time. if Enfys would allow (unlikely, but possible).
What do you think?
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:39 pm
*Lurks in the shadows not having anything to really say* XD Sorry.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:39 am
I like the Mountains idea; it actually fits well with Rikki's personality and wandering habits. He likes to wander off and explore a bit on his own or with a sibling or two. (Though if Temper's leaving, Ashia is going to have Wystan for a mate, and Keshet's going to be heir/have a mate... that would leave Niji, maybe, if he's going to be sticking around? XD) He sort of likes being off on his own but being able to come back whenever he feels like it.
I mean at some point I'd like to find him a girlfriend (or three... XD I don't know that I see him being entirely monogomous but I don't really see him having more than two or three favored ladies, either. o.0) but right now he's just wanting to spread his wings, so to speak. He's got a bad case of wanderlust and a desire to make new friends and maybe butt a few heads. XD (Definitely a nomad, eh? lawl)
I also think that if Temper does leave... during his explorations from time to time he'd wander off and try to find Temper and catch up with him. Rikki might not ever really understand Temper's views on eating the dead, and would never be comfortable with watching him munch on another dead Kirin, but he knows Temper would never go psycho-killer either.
Council idea sounds fun. XD And I think that the expecting mares returning to the main herd/central valley would be a very good idea, especially considering the sort of social network the herd groups would have based on what's been said so far.
I don't know if I really have any more comments to make...
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