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 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:52 am
Mom's pally is going to hit 80 soon, and she wants to know what she can do to start preparing for holy at 80. She doesn't really know anything about being holy, my healer friends are all priests, and my own healing knowledge is limited to 'WHY do you want me to heal as a boomkin?"
Pretty much, how should she spec, what gear should she get (is currently lvl 70), what mods should she get (she has pally power and DBM) and what spells should she use?
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:39 pm
Gem and gear like this: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ner'zhul&n=Teradactyl
Your priorities as far as stats go is this: Int/crit (equal levels at low amounts of gear, int higher priority at higher heroic gear levels and raid gear level -- crit will come with the int, so really not hard.) Haste/SP.
SP is GOOD to have but you do not want to stack it (ie all sp gems) because most of paladin heals are overheal.
At low gear levels and heroics and 10 mans you will be using flash of light mostly. There is not much to healing as a holy paladin. Keep up judgements of the pure on yourself and spam holy light or flash of light. Shock when needed. Beacon OTs. Sacred shield is awesome.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:44 pm
Oh and when it comes to the heroic badge gear pieces. Get the belt first. Don't get the sp/haste trinket, get the crit trinket. Keep the int trinket from some Zul'Drak quest, it is best in slot until Naxx. Do rep with Kirin Tor for helm enchant, then Argent Crusade.
As far as outlands goes stay ret for healing and pick up int pieces as you go. Infact stay ret for leveling period it is much faster and EASIER TO HEAL NORMAL INSTACES AS RET due to judgements of the wise.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:35 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:55 pm
EJ will overwhelm a new player with math and theorycrafting that simply is not needed for a new holy paladin player. All you need to know is press healing buttons and use the abilities you've specced into.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:51 pm
Just gem for +intellect, nothing else you get spellpower/crits from gears alone. haste is nice. put beacon of light on yourself so you never have to heal yourself. spam flash of light in instances, early 10 man raids. spam holy light in 25 mans. get glyph of seal of wisdom (mana costs of spells reduced by 5%) and glyph of holy light for splash heals. --note-- when i said "you" & "yourself" , it's directed to the Kayariy's mother. If she wants a good holy spec, she should look up my friend's holy spec. Roanexaviers Holy paladin armory
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:10 pm
Lunarisa Just gem for +intellect, nothing else you get spellpower/crits from gears alone. haste is nice. put beacon of light on yourself so you never have to heal yourself. spam flash of light in instances, early 10 man raids. spam holy light in 25 mans. get glyph of seal of wisdom (mana costs of spells reduced by 5%) and glyph of holy light for splash heals. --note-- when i said "you" & "yourself" , it's directed to the Kayariy's mother. If she wants a good holy spec, she should look up my friend's holy spec. Roanexaviers Holy paladin armory I am extremely curious as to the reasoning for not picking up Infusion of Light or any points in Divinity. Both are extremely powerful talents. Infusion for fairly obvious reasons and Divinity for, simply, more throughput. When bosses bring your tank down to 40-50 percent a hit, you'll want your heals to be as large as possible. Glyph of Beacon is also pretty terrible, I find myself using beacon on maybe 4 Ulduar fights, and three of them are beacons on myself and barely necessary. 3k mana from an LoH on myself or 1kish from a tank LoH is definately better.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:37 am
IIDX GOOOOLD I am extremely curious as to the reasoning for not picking up Infusion of Light or any points in Divinity. Both are extremely powerful talents. Infusion for fairly obvious reasons and Divinity for, simply, more throughput. When bosses bring your tank down to 40-50 percent a hit, you'll want your heals to be as large as possible. Glyph of Beacon is also pretty terrible, I find myself using beacon on maybe 4 Ulduar fights, and three of them are beacons on myself and barely necessary. 3k mana from an LoH on myself or 1kish from a tank LoH is definately better. He probably didn't spec into Infusion of Light because rarely uses Holy Shock, and since Infusion is only a shadow of its former self, he didn't pick it up. More than likely, he's assigned to only the MT and spams Holy Light for the entire fight. As for Divinity, its kind of a lack luster talent to begin with since spamming Holy Light already leads to crap loads of over heal, that an extra 5% tacked on is nearly useless. That, and he probably wanted the extra 3% crit that speccing a little further into the Ret tree, which can't be gotten if you spec Divinity. At least, thats how I would rationalize that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:45 am
To think that life is always the same...
For mods, I'd probably say stay with the standard UI for a while and then look around for what you want. Some people swear by Grid or PRaid, but see what suits your fancy first.
I personally use Grid with GridManaBars. And then configure it from there...it can take a while to get used to it. But man, it's worth it for me.
...is the same as forgetting destiny always changes.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:31 pm
Ermor IIDX GOOOOLD I am extremely curious as to the reasoning for not picking up Infusion of Light or any points in Divinity. Both are extremely powerful talents. Infusion for fairly obvious reasons and Divinity for, simply, more throughput. When bosses bring your tank down to 40-50 percent a hit, you'll want your heals to be as large as possible. Glyph of Beacon is also pretty terrible, I find myself using beacon on maybe 4 Ulduar fights, and three of them are beacons on myself and barely necessary. 3k mana from an LoH on myself or 1kish from a tank LoH is definately better. He probably didn't spec into Infusion of Light because rarely uses Holy Shock, and since Infusion is only a shadow of its former self, he didn't pick it up. More than likely, he's assigned to only the MT and spams Holy Light for the entire fight. As for Divinity, its kind of a lack luster talent to begin with since spamming Holy Light already leads to crap loads of over heal, that an extra 5% tacked on is nearly useless. That, and he probably wanted the extra 3% crit that speccing a little further into the Ret tree, which can't be gotten if you spec Divinity. At least, thats how I would rationalize that. I've never healed anything except the MT and I use holy shock. Why would you willingly gimp yourself during times when you heal things other than the MT? Fights where I use holy shock: Ignis (gives TWO uninterruptable heals for flame jets if tank takes a spike in the air, early in the fight I can use a holy shock on someone in slag since the fight is so boring) Razorscale (tank transition spikes, dps on draginz) XT-002 Deconstructor (I heard paladins have an aoe heal, o wait the only aoe we get is Infusion of Light flash heals from shock.) Kologarn (If I get beamed and clipped by a tick of it) Iron Council hardmode (holy shock after fusion punch is the ONLY OPTION for heals) Hodir (on anyone low health during flash freeze) Freya (on myself) Auryiah (on myself or tank after I get interrupted) Thorim (if I'm in arena instead of gauntlet) Mimiron (ALL THE ******** TIME PALADINS DON'T HAVE AN AOE HEAL) Vezak (if tank takes spike during my greenstuff time) Yogg-Saron (all the time) So that's a grand total of one fight I don't use holy shock. The one fight that we happen to be in vehicles. And maybe the 5% isn't necessary if you're not the only person healing the tank, but I am normally the only person healing the tank. I don't overheal quite as much as someone who has backup. As far as I can remember the only fight I have backup on is hardmode Council and that's just because I can't cleanse and heal at the same time. 3% crit is barely worth losing 5% extra healing on every healing spell.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:16 pm
His reasoning is he wants to stack as much crit as possible and he rarely uses holy shock. He's a main tank healer that spams holy light and casts beacon of light on himself. He.. on VERY rare occasion uses flash of light, therefore he doesn't spec into infusion of light. Before 3.1, he spec'ed into that but since 3.1 came out, he took that off his spec. He's our only holy paladin in the raid when I'm a part time holy paladin. He's a pretty good healer.
That's how he taught me when I had to spec healing on some encounter.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:25 pm
I'm the only holy paladin in my raid. Not getting infusion of light is dumb. Even if you rarely use it, 20% crit on the next holy light is better than using holy shock and getting nothing.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:39 pm
IIDX GOOOOLD I'm the only holy paladin in my raid. Not getting infusion of light is dumb. Even if you rarely use it, 20% crit on the next holy light is better than using holy shock and getting nothing. He said that if you use Holy Shock other than movement or pvp, then you're not good. Don't quote me on that. Apparently Infusion of Light is more of a PvP talent rather than PvE. He and I hardly use holy shock, and we only use it on emergency get away heal. Oh and go read up on Elitist Jerks for holy pallies, they will say Infusion of Light is not effective PvE healing spec.
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:15 pm
Lunarisa IIDX GOOOOLD I'm the only holy paladin in my raid. Not getting infusion of light is dumb. Even if you rarely use it, 20% crit on the next holy light is better than using holy shock and getting nothing. He said that if you use Holy Shock other than movement or pvp, then you're not good. Don't quote me on that. Apparently Infusion of Light is more of a PvP talent rather than PvE. He and I hardly use holy shock, and we only use it on emergency get away heal. Oh and go read up on Elitist Jerks for holy pallies, they will say Infusion of Light is not effective PvE healing spec. Well, you're wrong and misreading EJ. smile Quote: Holy Shock Yay! This spell has sucked for so long, it used to only deal damage, and now it is finally a good healing spell. This spell got greatly improved in WotLK, to heal for a lot more, have a 40 yd range as a heal (finally), and a 6 sec cooldown. Along with Infusion of Light, which makes it so whenever you crit with Holy Shock, your next FoL is instant or your next Holy Light has a 20% increased crit chance. It receives 90.5% of spell power per spell casting, if you have Healing Light. This is great a spell to use when you are moving and can't cast anything else, or the tank took a huge burst and they will likely die before you can get a Holy Light off. It is both worse hpm and hps then Holy Light, so I wouldn't use it besides the aforementioned reasons. RECCOMENDED EJ SPECS: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxA0gM0sVu0tgdxZVcbx:wdfzcVhttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxA0gM0sVu0tgdZVcbxbh:wdfzcVps; I do more hardmodes than your guild & there ARE MANY SITUATIONS where holy shock is a USEFUL SPELL TO USE ON THE TANK. It is our version of nature's swiftness, WHY WOULD YOU NOT USE IT
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