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The Focus coupe looks okay... I'd dare say the tC looks better, though. But, the Eclipse? Who wouldn't rather have one of those?

Mitsubishi's Eclipse? NO BLOODY WAY. That bloody engine is a reciprocating disaster factory. The ones back in the day, you'd need to have an annual budget in place to maintain the lump three to four years after you've bought the car. The later-model 4G63T from the Evo's are alright, but the E1-3 engine, which is basically the same as the Eclipse one, suffers from the same chronic disease.

When they're running they're BLOODY good(massive weight aside) but when something fails, you're looking at the start of a chain reaction.

I suppose you're right about the Eclipse, my brother use to own a GSX and a GS and he had trouble with them both all the time.

I'm talking about the new one.



Does it have the same motor as its predecessors? I thought it was just a basic, reliable four cylinder with no power.

What engine is in the latest one? confused

That God-forsaken piece of ugly was the worst modern day car I had the "pleasure" (read: "painful torture") of driving. It comes with a 2.4L 4G69 if you're asking about the 4-banger.

Doesn't look bad from that angle. Is it AWD or WWD (Wrong wheel drive)?

What was wrong with the car in your opinion? confused

Wrong wheel drive, and seriously? Look at the ******** door and window for crying out loud! The side profile isn't too bad, but look at it from these angles.

I test drove the 2.4L back in 2007 when I was looking for a new beater, and we actually had a 2009 GT (3.8L V6) around the building for a month. I drove it for a day, running errands.

1. Interior room: It has the dimensions of a mid-size coupe on the outside, but an incredibly claustrophobic interior. The measurements say it's incredibly wide, but that doesn't do anything for you when you can't straighten your back without hitting your head. The back seat? JOKE!

2. Seating position: The steering wheel's column is very sort and stubby, and you can't pull it out. I'm not incredibly tall or large (you've all seen pictures, and I'm only 5 ft. 10 in. / 178 cm), and even though my legs are a bit longer in proportion to the rest of my body than most dudes, I wasn't the only one to complain that I had to bow my legs out since I had to scoot the seat up to reach the steering wheel with my arms. One of my female coworkers once said, "Forget driving this thing with a skirt." This is a car for people with stubby legs.

3. Performance: The 2.4L was a slug, even for a 4-banger. You don't put a 160 hp/tq engine in with a 3,300+ lbs. car and call it a sport coupe. The GT was a lot quicker in the straights IF you could get it to hook up (had some real torque smile ), but just as horrible in the turns. It rolled like Rick, had a ginormous turning circle (I had to do a three-point job at the Staples parking lot, because of it), and plowed more than my old Accord V6.

4. Outward visibility: rofl

Sacrilegious as this may sound, I'd rather own a Scion tC. It's a more entertaining and comfortable drive (except in the straight), and you can actually do something in the back seat. Oh, and their so common that nobody cares to look anymore. Unlike with the Eclipse, you get looks of disgust.

The turning radius is ridiculous, but I find a lot of vehicles now days have that issue, but a coupe shouldn't though. On paper the optional Rockford Fosgate audio system seems like the only neat thing in that car, unfortunately I haven't ever heard it, all the eclipses I sat in came with the base audio system.

I don't think its a bad looking car.
If it was AWD and maybe made from fiberglass it might be much nicer?

The door kills it. It's got funky lines on it (especially the yellow one Friv posted), the mirror is way out of place, and the tri-panel window is a Lotus Espirit wannabe failure. The headlights look as if they were confused whether or not to make them sleek, or polygonal... and just couldn't make a decision. The fog-lights look like they're ricer add-ons and clash with the rest of the front. And the front in general is just plain shaped ugly. Look at that nose/grill! Looks like a jockstrap with a cup bulging out. No thanks. The rear has ricer Altezza-fail lights (see the current Nissan Altima or the ******** Altezza/IS300 on how to do it right), and resembles a squashed New Beetle.

Yes... Yes... Yes, and... Yes. Mille's right about everything he just said about the way the thing looks. I retain, though, that it looks slightly better than a Scion tC.



Let the flaming begin.

The Altima coupe looks deformed, too. God, why? Why is the entry level performance market full of horrid front wheel drive messes on wheels?

I think the Scion looks better, because it's so ******** plain, there's nothing offensive about it (except the ugly optional TYC tails they had available some years). It's modern day Toyota to a T. I'd rather have a plain, soulless appliance than an uggo with a little soul.

I'm with you on the Altima not being all that good looking. It's like the 350Z and G35 tried to have a baby, but since they're related... it came out all ******** up. The grill is way ******** up.

I take it back. I'll take the Eclipse over the Scion. I will never buy a Toyota product.

So that the "street racers" don't inadvertently kill themselves? blaugh

I do concede that the majority of people would think that the Saturn would look good if it were called a Nissan or something else of that realm. But personally, I don't judge a car by its maker or biases of people, but by the content of its very own character despite what the past was or the certain automaker. I don't think the yellow sentra looks bad, but at the same time I don't the the new Focus does either. The civics look like crap, and they always have. The 240sx isn't necessarily pleasing to the eye(besides the 2001 Silvia is in my opinion), but its one of the few rwd cars out there that were lucky not fwd.

So if a car is ugly its ugly, Nissan or Honda or whatever else cannot change that. The new Camaro is a excellent design I must say, the new Mustang is alright, could be better. The Nissan 370z is good, a drastic improvement over the 350z, which in a way reminds me of the newer Eclipses due to it having a big rump. And a design that I really like is the new Mazda 3, I wish people will stop complaining about it having a smiley face. It actually shows character in the car, and I think more companies should make bold design cues like that for their cars as well.