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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:58 am


I believe in it; in grade five I picked up a book about Greek mythology and since then I've been obsessed, inexplicably drawn. Two years after, I performed a spell with a couple of friends. We were just fooling around - which I now realize was moronic, but knew no better at the time - and I visited a past life. I was a Greek woman, complete with toga. I remember I walked up to another woman, kissed her... and then everything blurred and I came out of it. Came back to myself, as it were.

At the time I dismissed it as an overactive imagination, and I was probably Greek because I liked the history so much... but why had I kissed that woman? I didn't dwell much on it, I just let it go. I became obsessed with shows like Hercules and Xena (and yelled at the TV screen every time they messed something up...), continued studying Greek mythology, got involved in Wicca... and almost completely forgot about that day.

Until eight months ago. I was debating with myself, trying to figure out if I really was in love with Tass, as it turns out, I was. I firmly believe she is the woman I kissed in that past life, because they feel the same. They feel like the same person, they give off the same energy. I recently found out that Tass, too, has always been in love with ancient Greece, and felt the same pull I have.

Now I ask you - do YOU believe in reincarnation? and why?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:48 am


I do, and I believe in it for many reasons, first being, if you look at most religions in the world from the point of view that reincarnation is real, they just seem to make more sense.

Secondly, and much more importantly, I have gained contact with several major elements of my past lives. Tigress is my soul mate. I know alot of couples who say that are mereley thinking wishfully, but we honestly know that we are. I also met up with another friend who was in a more recent life.

The story of my (and Tigress's) soul: The earliest reckoning we have is from around the year 500 CE, at the height of the time of the druids. And we were a druid. Our name was Arthus. We would teach the younger students and live and work in the forest as though it was our master.

The next life we can remember came about a thousand years later (there may be one or two in between). We were a peasant woman in some European country. After refusing to be married away like property, we were burned at the stake for witchcraft. This life was most fascinating, because it is the one where mine and Tiff's souls split from one soul to two. Even more fascinating is the fact that before we knew we were soul mates, we both had a vision of this life shortly after we started seeing each other. I had my vision while visiting church with Tigress. It wasn't fun to be sitting in church and suddenly "burst into flames" for being a witch.

We had lives after those, apart, of course. I became a medicine man for a tribe of Lakota Souix native americans. Another person I know today was in that life with me. One of my friends who used to live down the street was my kola (best friend, or brother-not-of-blood) about a hundred and fifty to two hundred years ago. Tigress, in the meantime came back a little after that and ended up as a 9 year old Jewish girl during the second world war. She went to a concentration camp and never made it out alive.

Our souls met between lives, before this current life. We wanted to be one again, but knew that travelling apart had changed us and to joint together again, we'd have to live and grow together. So we descided to meet in our next life. I was born on July 30th 1984, at 10:59 PM, and Tigress was born EXACTLY, down to the minute, one year and ten months later. Before this life, we changed destiny so that we should come in contact with each other again, and now we've found each other.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:19 pm


I do believe in reincarnation, I believe that our lives are much too short to be judged by just one lifetime. We roughly live about 76/82 yrs, depending on our sex; in the eyes of geology, that is much like a blink of an eye.

However, about past life regression, whether done through a pyschologist, pyschaitrist(sp?), a spell, etc, I believe that much of that stuff is fake. I believe that what you witness there is what you want to see. I believe that it is a very similar thing to the placebo effect, you want it so much that you create the memories yourself. I believe that it is impossible to know who, or what we were in our past lives, and what we did.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:35 pm


Yeah, I believe in it..for the reasons Murder said.

He stole my post!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:56 am


I believe in reincarnation but I believe in it before I knew what is was.
I know that proabley sounds dumb but it is the truth.
I only learn about reincarnation in the past few years but I knew about for much longer, since I was seven to be exact. I would always have dreams and such, I can always feel, taste and smell aswell as the seeing and hearing part. I oringally thought it was natuaral untill people stated a little fact of always waking up before something terrible happen and you never feel the pain when you wake up.

It's not just remembering being in human form that I just remember, I also remember the animal forms.
I remember how it felt to run throught the buruning hot sun, throught the tall grass just about to strike my pray. How it hurt to fall out of tall tree down to the rocks below, mind you the worse thing about that, was the fact I woke up in pain and with taste of blood in my mouth.

Out of everthing in my past life, I've still seem to be in contact with a friend through out all of it but never anyone, who seems to be the one. It is like I'm alone in love. Which I must say kinda sucks or maybe I'm over looking something.
I can still remember more but that would take to long to explain it all, trust me. Too many.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:32 pm


chaoticpuppet
However, about past life regression, whether done through a pyschologist, pyschaitrist(sp?), a spell, etc, I believe that much of that stuff is fake. I believe that what you witness there is what you want to see. I believe that it is a very similar thing to the placebo effect, you want it so much that you create the memories yourself. I believe that it is impossible to know who, or what we were in our past lives, and what we did.


I have to disagree with you here. When Tigress and I "uncovered" our past lives, we learned what happened through trances. Right after we met but before we even considered that we were soul mates, we both had visions of different parts of the same live, like pieces in a jigsaw puzzle. It wasn't until a year or two later when we realised that honestly ARE soul mates, and that those were pieces of a past life.

We were just lying in my candlelit room one night and started remembering these things as we stared into each others eyes, like we were remembering parts of a dream.

Now I do agree that MOST past lives people remember are merely self-fabricated dreams. A good saying that applies to many things is, "If you have to ask yourself if it's real, it's probably not. When it's real, you'll know." That's why I can't give any advice for people who want to know their past lives but don't. And as far as commercial psychics and fortune sellers go, most of the time, they're just professional bullshitters anyway. I've never been able to keep a straight face when someone says to me. "I was nefretiti (or king tut) in a past life!!" (Those are apparently the most common past life personalities people claim to have been.)

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:20 pm


I have never undergone a past-life transgression. I would like to one day. (Read: ASAP). Anyhoo, I sort of believe in reincarnation. I believe that, when we die, we give up a part of uor souls; we split. when we split, this new soul goes on to experience life; our old one stays as a ghost, spirit, etc. If the old spirit has unfinished buisness, it stays. If not, it goes to "heaven".
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:23 pm


Son of Axeman
I have never undergone a past-life transgression. I would like to one day. (Read: ASAP). Anyhoo, I sort of believe in reincarnation. I believe that, when we die, we give up a part of uor souls; we split. when we split, this new soul goes on to experience life; our old one stays as a ghost, spirit, etc. If the old spirit has unfinished buisness, it stays. If not, it goes to "heaven".


You're beliefs are close to mine, except that intead of a soul splitting and becoming a ghost or going to heaven (both of which can and do happen), it is more likely to become another person. When it does this, the two souls are soulmates.

I believe that in the VERY distant past, every single living thing came from one single soul (remember the "divine spark" I talked about in the evolution thread?) and it has since split trillions of times to create every single living thing today.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:17 pm


I do believe in reincarnation, and karmic balances coming into play in each new life.

It was actually in massage school that I was given a new view of it (before I had completely made up my mind about it.)

A teacher told us that in order to be completely honest with ourselves, we had to realize that we were all drawn to a profession in life that heals, that nurtures, because in a past life we might have caused people great pain.

I don't know how I feel about that, other than the past's the past, and if I'm meant to make it up in this life then I will. But I will not be guilted into helping people at my own expense for a debt I may not owe.

But anyway, I recently attended a seminar for intuition which greatly disappointed me, and part of that disappointment was the "past life regression." Basically you had about 50 people in a room, and you told them all to meditate and get in touch with you in a past life, and ask yourself what message you had for yourself.

I, personally, had doubts about the teaching abilities of the woman leading the class, and had a "vision" that I will not right now relay, accept or dismiss.

According to Yahoo! Astrology's Free Edgar Cayce Past Life Reading, I used to be Jewish. So was my boyfriend, since our birthday is the same day, exactly 4 years apart. So, if you're born on April 15th, you used to be Jewish, and have a strong urge in this life to stand for your beliefs. Whatever. He, on the other hand, has a strong feeling that he was Egyptian. He never said pharoah, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 5:58 am


I sometimes get random flashes of being a Jewish Rabbi, not too sure when. My suroundings are hay; I must have been in a barnyard. I have those sideburn-curl-thing (sorry, but their name escapes me). Some other rabbi calls to me in a launguage that sounds remarkably like Hebrew, but, since I don't know Hebrew, I can't make out what he's saying. IN another scene, I'm in what looks like a synagogue. (sp?) These flashes are weird and often freak me out.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:46 am


I can't say that I really have flashes from a past life, but I do have strong feelings that I know things I've never learned in this life. And taking classes for massage therapy and anatomy and other things, it's like second nature to me.

I really want to sign up for more classes and learn new techniques and modalities for massage, but a lot of the descriptions of classes, I read and think, I know that, or I could figure that out so easily. The answers are already there, but I'm not exactly sure where they came from.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:56 pm


Here is why I do not believe you can know what you were in a previous life:
1. The subconcious is mostly unexplored, we know less about it than we do of deep space.
2. The mind is very powerful.
3. That life is over, our memories of that life die when we die.
4. Memories are not connected to our soul, they are merely part of our physical body.
5. Since those memories are part of our physical body, they deteriorate with it, meaning that when the brain dies, the memories die.
6. That life is over, there is no need to look back at it. The mistakes we made will have no impact on what we do in the next.
7. This is because, after we die, we start the next life with a clean slate, in other words, we start out as if it were a brand new life, each time.
8. Since we start each life with a new slate, we have no need to remember what we did in our past life.
9. This is enhanced by the idea that we have one goal in life, that goal is either attained or not. When it is attained, we move on somewhere else.
10. When that goal is not attained, and we have exhausted our physical resources (a.k.a. our bodies) we gain another life. This life is not a continuation of the previous. It is a new start.
11. The only way we can attain our goal is to go from a new start to the goal. In other words we cannot look at the past lives, they will not reveal answers, they will only reveal what we didn't do.
12. To look at a past life is to look at a wrong note played in a song, but not correct it. Meaning that if we could look at a past life, we would not know how to analyze it.
13. Lastly, we are in a plane of existence in which we cannot look at past lives, because they are attached to physical memories. Physical memories which die when we die, because they are not attached to our soul.

Now, what I am saying is that any view of a past life is an image or memory made by your mind. I hokd a theory that those who believe they can see their past lives are only seeing a memory they want to see. That memory is made in the subconcious. That memory was made for any number of reasons. E.g. person A was thinking about philosophers when they heard of the concept of past lives, thus they are a philosopher in their past life memory. Person B has an extreme like of tigers, thus they were a tiger. Person C has an affinity for medicine, so they were some kind of physician, etc.

Now AMOA, you were talking about how you and tigress are soul mates, in the true sense of the words. Now, what I am saying is that your memories are in essence a lie; that does not mean that you and tigress are not soul mates. In fact, maybe your goal was to find your true soulmate, in which, you may have completed that, and when you have exhausted your resources, you will move on to another plane.

Hopes that makes some kind of sense

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:36 pm


chaoticpuppet
Here is why I do not believe you can know what you were in a previous life:
1. The subconcious is mostly unexplored, we know less about it than we do of deep space.
2. The mind is very powerful.
3. That life is over, our memories of that life die when we die.
4. Memories are not connected to our soul, they are merely part of our physical body.
5. Since those memories are part of our physical body, they deteriorate with it, meaning that when the brain dies, the memories die.

So, what you're saying here is that we don't know how the mind works, but we know that it dies.
If we don't know how it works, how do we know it dies?

chaoticpuppet
6. That life is over, there is no need to look back at it. The mistakes we made will have no impact on what we do in the next.
7. This is because, after we die, we start the next life with a clean slate, in other words, we start out as if it were a brand new life, each time.
8. Since we start each life with a new slate, we have no need to remember what we did in our past life.
9. This is enhanced by the idea that we have one goal in life, that goal is either attained or not. When it is attained, we move on somewhere else.
10. When that goal is not attained, and we have exhausted our physical resources (a.k.a. our bodies) we gain another life. This life is not a continuation of the previous. It is a new start.
11. The only way we can attain our goal is to go from a new start to the goal. In other words we cannot look at the past lives, they will not reveal answers, they will only reveal what we didn't do.
12. To look at a past life is to look at a wrong note played in a song, but not correct it. Meaning that if we could look at a past life, we would not know how to analyze it.
13. Lastly, we are in a plane of existence in which we cannot look at past lives, because they are attached to physical memories. Physical memories which die when we die, because they are not attached to our soul.

Here is my problem with the clean slate theory: If everyone is born with a completely clean karmic slate, then why are some people born handicapped? Why are people born blind? Deaf? Why dwarfism? Why giantism? Why do babies die?

Because, I believe, that is something they need to work out from a prior lifetime. You cannot tell me that a clean slate will not give a newborn child enough strength to live. And it's not the mother's doing, it's not nutrition or the doctors or anyone's fault, the baby just couldn't survive, it's body wasn't strong enough, it was born with a failing heart.

Yes, people have lessons they need to learn. but if they do not accumulate, how can they be so different? How can one person's lession in life be to live life without eyes to see and need to open their inner eye for guidance and strength, while another person's destiny is to be born seeing injustice everywhere, prejudice and corruption, and to lead others to overcome it?

It makes sense, if it was something in a past life, some misdeed that needs righting.



chaoticpuppet
I hold a theory that those who believe they can see their past lives are only seeing a memory they want to see. That memory is made in the subconcious.
I have something to add to this, and I add it because I do not think you know it. When we die, we take something from our physical body. Something leaves our physical body, and it has a physical weight. It was documented a long time ago, there was a doctor in a hospital that went into the rooms of people who were in critical conditions, and placed 4 scales under their bed, 1 under each leg. As each person died, they lost weight. The same amount of weight, for every person, every age, every body type. It's only a few ounces, but it's the same.

So now, tell me again that our soul takes nothing from our physical body, no memories or energy prints.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:51 am


chaoticpuppet
Now AMOA, you were talking about how you and tigress are soul mates, in the true sense of the words. Now, what I am saying is that your memories are in essence a lie; that does not mean that you and tigress are not soul mates. In fact, maybe your goal was to find your true soulmate, in which, you may have completed that, and when you have exhausted your resources, you will move on to another plane.


I won't get into it right now, because I know that if I do, I'll go on a rant that will literally take up pages, but I know of many reasons why you are wrong about this particular issue. I'm not asking you to change your mind. I'm simply asking you to see my point of view.

First and foremost, I agree with you about MOST people who think they know what their past lives are. Thinking you were something simply because you like something right now is ludacris. (I used to believe I was a hippy with a gambling problem simply cause I liked Pink Floyd and played way too much solitare xd ) And I definatley agree on the whole issue about your memories fading with your brain.

However, I must mention that each and every time Tigress or myself had a vision, it was always from a third person perspective. It was as though we were outside of our bodies watching things happen to ourselves. The only time I EVER saw the vision from a first person perspective is after I was consumed in flames. I felt the hands of deity itself lifting me out of the flames, comforting me and telling me not to worry.

And as for what we actually DO remember, we only remembered things that had a direct impact on this life, but I know for sure that we had more lives than just the ones I mentioned.

In my life being a Souix medicine man, I never got to say a proper goodbye to my best friend. In this life, after remembering the past, I was able to change that. The life I remember before that is five hundred years earlier, and it's the one that cause mine and Tigress's soul to split. The life I remember before that is a whole thousand years earlier. We're not sure why we were a druid named Arthus, but we know that it's important, otherwise we would not remember. I intend to find out.

So know that I understand your point of view, but I believe based on personal experience that there's an even larger picture out there.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:40 am


Verim
So, what you're saying here is that we don't know how the mind works, but we know that it dies.
If we don't know how it works, how do we know it dies?

No, not your mind, just your memories. They are something you don't need, thus they will go away.

Verim

Here is my problem with the clean slate theory: If everyone is born with a completely clean karmic slate, then why are some people born handicapped? Why are people born blind? Deaf? Why dwarfism? Why giantism? Why do babies die?
Because the higher power wants to see how we react in different situations. The higher power wants to see how we accomplish our goal(s) with different abilities/disabilities. When one experiments they do not simply use a control group do they? No, that is absurd, and you owuld never get any test results. When one experiments they use a control group, and a number of other groups, with a different form of the variable thrown into the mix.
Why do babies die? Well, who's to say that the higher power didn't accidently create a baby who had achieved its goal enough in another life/lives.

Verim
Because, I believe, that is something they need to work out from a prior lifetime. You cannot tell me that a clean slate will not give a newborn child enough strength to live. And it's not the mother's doing, it's not nutrition or the doctors or anyone's fault, the baby just couldn't survive, it's body wasn't strong enough, it was born with a failing heart.

Yes, people have lessons they need to learn. but if they do not accumulate, how can they be so different? How can one person's lession in life be to live life without eyes to see and need to open their inner eye for guidance and strength, while another person's destiny is to be born seeing injustice everywhere, prejudice and corruption, and to lead others to overcome it?

It makes sense, if it was something in a past life, some misdeed that needs righting.
See previous statement.


Verim
chaoticpuppet
I hold a theory that those who believe they can see their past lives are only seeing a memory they want to see. That memory is made in the subconcious.
I have something to add to this, and I add it because I do not think you know it. When we die, we take something from our physical body. Something leaves our physical body, and it has a physical weight. It was documented a long time ago, there was a doctor in a hospital that went into the rooms of people who were in critical conditions, and placed 4 scales under their bed, 1 under each leg. As each person died, they lost weight. The same amount of weight, for every person, every age, every body type. It's only a few ounces, but it's the same.

So now, tell me again that our soul takes nothing from our physical body, no memories or energy prints.

Could you please provide a link to this study?
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