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sezuki_chan

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:40 pm


The other day when i was a school my friend said some things that were very derogitory towards our heavenly father. She said that the only reason he didn't come down here and help anyone was because he was scared of us. She also said that it is his fault bad things happen because he lets them happen. Then she said that he killed his own son and implied that our father didn't care! she made me really angry. When someone says things like that you are supposed to defend our father right? I tried to explain things to her but she wouldn't listen and if she did it didn't seem like it helped. I don't know how to help her. She thinks her life is horrible and that god does not care. I would like your thoughts on the subject and, if you have any ideas about how i can help my friend please tell me.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:51 pm


sezuki_chan
The other day when i was a school my friend said some things that were very derogitory towards our heavenly father. She said that the only reason he didn't come down here and help anyone was because he was scared of us. She also said that it is his fault bad things happen because he lets them happen. Then she said that he killed his own son and implied that our father didn't care! she made me really angry. When someone says things like that you are supposed to defend our father right? I tried to explain things to her but she wouldn't listen and if she did it didn't seem like it helped. I don't know how to help her. She thinks her life is horrible and that god does not care. I would like your thoughts on the subject and, if you have any ideas about how i can help my friend please tell me.
If you are wondering if it is okay to get made about it and really defend god and debate his existance, then I say yes. (Watch out for Gendou though he might lock your conversation) Righteous anger is admirable. It shows you believe and trust in God and you are willing to say whatever is needed.

Corporal Giroro


Mystic_moon15

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:27 pm


sezuki_chan
The other day when i was a school my friend said some things that were very derogitory towards our heavenly father. She said that the only reason he didn't come down here and help anyone was because he was scared of us. She also said that it is his fault bad things happen because he lets them happen. Then she said that he killed his own son and implied that our father didn't care! she made me really angry. When someone says things like that you are supposed to defend our father right? I tried to explain things to her but she wouldn't listen and if she did it didn't seem like it helped. I don't know how to help her. She thinks her life is horrible and that god does not care. I would like your thoughts on the subject and, if you have any ideas about how i can help my friend please tell me.

well i would sayyes you can and should but dont get mean about. but yes i have always been told that he does alouw(sp?) us to be tested wich is satan doing bad things tho its not God doing them. i know lots of people who say that kind of stuff all the time and likely they wont listen its just part of who they are. most of my friends are people like that but they know better than to say to much about that stuff in front of me if they dont want a lecture. if you want to talk to someone about it im happy to help you, just IM or pm me.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:26 pm


Our Job in on this earth was just to go out and tell the other people about Christ. If they don't want to believe us they don't need to. All we can do is Pray and God will do the rest... I've had problems like yours befoere. My friend kept telling me i wasa starving myself whenever i was fasting. One day i got so angry that i yelled at her. I told her about it and after that all i could do was pray. Just never give up your faith and keep praying to him becasue HE will always help you.

Tarani Sarihi


sezuki_chan

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:53 pm


I was not mean when i told her about it. I just said that god does not cause bad things to happen and that there was no way he could be scared of his children. I felt mad but i did not show it.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:01 pm


sezuki_chan
She said that the only reason he didn't come down here and help anyone was because he was scared of us.


A good question to ask her is just how could God, who created us and is supreme over us, be scared of us, his creation?

sezuki_chan
She also said that it is his fault bad things happen because he lets them happen.


Fault is a really bad way of putting it, but God does allow bad things to happen. Even then, he has a purpose for them.

sezuki_chan
Then she said that he killed his own son and implied that our father didn't care!


If you two get to this point again, it'd be very good to bring up how when Jesus was in the garden, before Judas and his cronies arrived, how he was praying that if it was possible that "this cup might pass from me," but don't leave out how He wanted the Father's will, not His to be done.

sezuki_chan
When someone says things like that you are supposed to defend our father right?


Very much so, if you're passionate about something, you'll defend it will all your might. It's the same with God.

sezuki_chan
I tried to explain things to her but she wouldn't listen and if she did it didn't seem like it helped.


Don't get too concerned about her not listening. The important thing here is that you're trying. Don't also sell yourself short on how it may or may not have helped. You have no idea how much of an impact those words could have made.

sezuki_chan
She thinks her life is horrible and that god does not care.


A typical worldview I've heard of, you should really ask her why she feels this way.

sezuki_chan
I would like your thoughts on the subject and, if you have any ideas about how i can help my friend please tell me.


First important thing is don't get too down if you didn't win her over the first time around. Also, don't try to force it on her. That's a big turn off, and it won't really help. The best you can do first is pray to God for help in what to say and for Him to work on her heat, so that she will turn towards Him. Also, if you're discussing with her and the topic is turning back towards there again, start praying for the Holy Spirit to help you have the words to say.

I pray for your success in bringing her to God.

hot_wheels_turbo_racing


Seority

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:17 pm


i second on what hot_wheels_turbo_racing said
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:36 pm


Seority
i second on what hot_wheels_turbo_racing said
ya im with them thats kinda what i was trying to say b4.

Mystic_moon15


sezuki_chan

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:01 pm


Thanks
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:22 pm


Im my opinion, your friend's problem is not with God; it's with herself. It seems that she may be scared herself, feeling lonely and confuzed. Instead of preaching to her, it would probably be best if you helped her work through her problems. Of course God cares. But it's hard to convince someone who is closed off because of their own problems. Once she sees that life isn't horrible, then she'll be more willing to accept the goodness of God.

Invite her to a movie, or go play miniture golf. Try to take her mind off of her problems and she'll eventually see the light.

squeen_of_pades


sezuki_chan

PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:01 pm


squeen_of_pades
Im my opinion, your friend's problem is not with God; it's with herself. It seems that she may be scared herself, feeling lonely and confuzed. Instead of preaching to her, it would probably be best if you helped her work through her problems. Of course God cares. But it's hard to convince someone who is closed off because of their own problems. Once she sees that life isn't horrible, then she'll be more willing to accept the goodness of God.

Invite her to a movie, or go play miniture golf. Try to take her mind off of her problems and she'll eventually see the light.

I would do that but she has a foot disease and that is what bothers her. I cant really cure it but i try to be supportive. She also wont let go of things that have happened in the past(like being teased and stuff like that)
PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:49 am


Mystic_moon15
Seority
i second on what hot_wheels_turbo_racing said
ya im with them thats kinda what i was trying to say b4.


hot_wheels_turbo_racing definitely has the right idea. I couldn't have said it better myself. ^^

Karayuna


allialto

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:06 am


HOW CAN SHE SAY THAT??!?!?!?! DOES SHE HAVE NO FAITH?!?!?!?! that makes me very angry. ugh. if in fact she has no faith(denomination) donttry to covert her. that usuallymakes things worse.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:33 pm


Shame be upon you who got angry!

This is a person without the love of God in her life. We should be feeling great sorrow! She has to go through life without the wholeness endowed upon us by the spirit, without knowing that, no matter what happens, there is always someone out there who loves them. Can you all imagine what life must be like like that? Shame be upon you who were so judging and lacking in the love of Jesus.

Certainly, defend the existance of your Father, for such things surely make Him glad with you. Next time she talks about how if God cared, then bad stuff wouldn't happen, use this true story that actually happened to me. It has taught me loads about life.

I knew a girl who was, in every sense of the word, blonde. To be blunt, she wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. However, she was the happiest, most innocent thing you could have imagined. In the morning, she had gotten up a little late, and, while she was going to turn off her alarm, she stepped on a light bulb. That hurt. Alot. Well, she showed up to school that day with a big bandage around her foot. When we asked about it, we found out that some glass was still in her foot. When we, understandibly, asked her why she didn't take it out, she replied 'It hurt'.

Sometimes, what can hurt us in the short term (like removing that piece of glass) is good in the long run (like not getting an infection from leaving the glass in there).

ioioouiouiouio

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