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 Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:34 pm
Yup it went up for vote and it failed. If you don't know what I'm talking about it is the parental consent referendum in California. It was designed to make girls wait 48 hours after they had told thier parents to have an abortion. It failed........ pisses me off that california is so liberal that they hand out condems to kids and give abortion on demand, but is unwilling to give a kid a tylenol with out parental consent. Does anyone think that the conservatives will just give up in California or will they keep trying, because personally I think if they keep going they'll wind up looking like hypocrites. (most)Conservatives are constantly claiming "the will of the people", but what happens when the will is against you? Comments or rants anyone?
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:40 pm
Its the way the liberals were lookign at it that got it sacked. They saw it as an attack on their bodily rights, when, in reality, it was to save the girl and to make sure she knew what she was doing, and to make sure its what she really wanted.
COnservitives in California are well aware that most young woman are pressured into having an abortion and are told there is no other means to survive in society. The child is underage and is going into an operation, the parents have every right to knwo abotu it if she's under age.
Secondly, I hihgly support the 48 hour waiting period. It would be usable as a way fo rthe parents to explain to their daughter that abortion isn't the only method available. To explain to her exactly what is goign to happen in an abortion, and what may end up happaning to her body if they botch it. It would give them time to explore all the companies who are willign to help pregnant teens.
Yes, the only reason why it got sacked was because the liberal were lookign at it the wrong way. Besides, if the parents say no, it non of their business. Its a losee/losse/possibelk win situation.
If we back down, we'll look like absolutly total failures. If we push it to hard we'll lok liek were tryign to subjicate their rights, and if we push just hard enough and long enough, people will eventualy catch on to it and see the light of it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:47 pm
Wow. Now the parents won't even know. The girl would most likely break down and crie, anyway. She'd probably admit what she did after a certain amount of time, so this "invasion of privacy" thing is... ugh. gonk
Now, all that the Pro-Life parents can do is talk to their daughter in an early age about it and what to do incase something happened.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:00 pm
But you have to realize that if conservatives keep going they will be hypocrites. I'm not tying to be name calling or anything, but aren't conservatives the ones that are always crying "let the people vote"? Well the people voted, and to keep going would be hypocracy, unless they want to bring it up again by referendrum a few years later, any other method would completely bring egg to thier faces.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:02 pm
You can call them hypocrits, but how are we going to get any thing done if we don't push for it?
If we back down, we give them room to act. If we give them this inch it is guaranteed they will take a mile.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:18 pm
karllikespies But you have to realize that if conservatives keep going they will be hypocrites. I'm not tying to be name calling or anything, but aren't conservatives the ones that are always crying "let the people vote"? Well the people voted, and to keep going would be hypocracy, unless they want to bring it up again by referendrum a few years later, any other method would completely bring egg to thier faces. Well, except that our point is that the liberals aren't letting people make their own decisions; They twist our side to sound like it's something else. We want parental notification for safety reasons, but they make is sound like we want parental notification to keep the child from having an abortion.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:27 pm
I.Am karllikespies But you have to realize that if conservatives keep going they will be hypocrites. I'm not tying to be name calling or anything, but aren't conservatives the ones that are always crying "let the people vote"? Well the people voted, and to keep going would be hypocracy, unless they want to bring it up again by referendrum a few years later, any other method would completely bring egg to thier faces. Well, except that our point is that the liberals aren't letting people make their own decisions; They twist our side to sound like it's something else. We want parental notification for safety reasons, but they make is sound like we want parental notification to keep the child from having an abortion. Eaxactly. ANd that why the law was trying to be put in place, to keep these girls safe
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:28 pm
You know that all abortion is selfish and for ones own personal gain. Self fulfillment seems to be idolized in our society as the only way for a person to live. That and if it isn't handed to you on a silver platter, it isn't worth the trouble. Thin skinned and selfish... whoohoo liberals.
Sorry, a little ticked.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:52 pm
...Ugh. I hate living in California. We keep doing stupid things like this. x.x
I can't believe it failed. I mean, really...it's not at all there to restrict abortion, only keep teenagers from hurting themselves and not thinking huge, life-changing decisions through. But, naturally, at the word "abortion" everyone scrambled to vote in the most pro-choice way possibly.
Bleh. My state is lame. gonk
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:24 am
Quote: but is unwilling to give a kid a tylenol with out parental consent Because they don't want you overdosing so they can't sue the people handing it out. Yet with an abortion... I'd rather not talk about it. Things like these really aggravate me. You bring in a freaking pack of Tums to school and they demand a doctor's note but you can get an abortion without any consent. Is that messed up or what? A Tum's means you could have eaten something bad, an abortion means you're leaving around. Quite frankly if I were a parent... you get the picture.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:10 am
Why are we always pinned as the bad guys confused ? No really, We state we are pro-life and I get told I'm anti choice when some pro-choicer goes on a rant about how it is forced pregnancy and the such.
You know, if they stopped and thought maybe for just a moment about why we are pro-life, then they might understand our point. We aren't anit-choice, we are pro-life and pro-choice at the same time. We support the right for any living being to choose his or her actions, but we veiw life in a higher regard. We don't want the women to suffer, but I mean when they kill the fetus, they are distrespecting it's bodily integrity as well.
Gah also with anti-men statements. Somehow all this trouble seems to be led back to us, yet we don't get a say in the abortion. We helped in the act, we contributed half of the required materials, and then bam we are thrown away like trash sad , our opinion on our child means nothing.
And what really gets to me is that some veiw pregnancy as a disability and the fetus as a parasite.
GRRGAGAGGARAGGARAGARRRRR
Pisses me off. I need to vent, sorry. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:50 am
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:59 am
Master Kaiser Why are we always pinned as the bad guys confused ? No really, We state we are pro-life and I get told I'm anti choice when some pro-choicer goes on a rant about how it is forced pregnancy and the such. You know, if they stopped and thought maybe for just a moment about why we are pro-life, then they might understand our point. We aren't anit-choice, we are pro-life and pro-choice at the same time. We support the right for any living being to choose his or her actions, but we veiw life in a higher regard. We don't want the women to suffer, but I mean when they kill the fetus, they are distrespecting it's bodily integrity as well. Gah also with anti-men statements. Somehow all this trouble seems to be led back to us, yet we don't get a say in the abortion. We helped in the act, we contributed half of the required materials, and then bam we are thrown away like trash sad , our opinion on our child means nothing. And what really gets to me is that some veiw pregnancy as a disability and the fetus as a parasite. GRRGAGAGGARAGGARAGARRRRR Pisses me off. I need to vent, sorry. sweatdrop
That makes about as much sense as me thinking that men shouldn't be against the death penalty. It's none of your business, after all.
And then there's that thread in the pro-choice guild, "Gay pro-lifers, WTF???"
Yeah, that was made about me.
It's a sterling example of masked hate.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:24 am
Hey, welcome to the "Pro-Choicers are so insecure about us that they had to make a hate thread to demonize us" club! biggrin
Personally, I've become quite proud of my hate thread. I should go and find it, so that I can, like, have a link to it in my signature. Like one of those "I have 6 unfans" type deals.
Actually, I think I might do that eventually.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:42 am
I don't ever go to their guild any more, am I ever mentioned?
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