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 Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:24 pm
You hear it all the time. Be polite, respect others beliefs.
Hold up, like ******** I'm respecting some peoples beliefs.
I'm not going to respect the Islamic belief that females should cover themselves head to feet, and be ashamed of themselves.
I'm not going to respect the Christian belief that homosexuals are evil.
I'm not going to respect the Scientology belief that... Well, okay, I'm not going to respect Scientology period.
And I'm CERTAINLY not going to respect the nazi belief that some people are inherently better than others just because of skin, hair or eye colour.
(First person to respond with a reducto ad Hitler retort gets a punch to the e-p***s).
To respect them is to permit these atrocities to continue in modern society. Playing nice and respecting beliefs is for a fantasy world where people aren't manipulative egotistical gits.
Discuss.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:38 pm
You can disagree with it as much as you want. Just don't get up in a person's face and rudely call them out for what they believe. Polite debates about beliefs are so much more fun than screaming fights.
(And reducto ad Hitler. Just to piss you off. And I have no p***s so I'm safe 4laugh )
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:41 pm
The Ravenclaw Beauty You can disagree with it as much as you want. Just don't get up in a person's face and rudely call them out for what they believe. Polite debates about beliefs are so much more fun than screaming fights. (And reducto ad Hitler. Just to piss you off. And I have no p***s so I'm safe 4laugh ) 1) I'm going to call them out. It may not be rude to me, but it'll be rude to them. To sit back is to allow it, to encourage it. 2) Everyone has an e-p***s. *punches*
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:45 pm
First, ouch. That punch really hurt.
Now, I call upon the rules of this subforum, which match quite well with this topic. Granted, I'll edit them to fit better. Life isn't a thread.
Learn the art of respectfully disagreeing. Bite your tongue, take a deep breath, and remember that, even if you don't understand it, they have their own logic to their opinion.
Accept other peoples' opinions. Listen to them. A debate is a discussion. A discussion requires interaction and commenting on eachother. If someone raises up good points that contradict your opinion, respond to them. Ignoring them and throwing up more information only makes it seem like the other person is talking to a wall. Nobody appreciates that.
Understand that people have their own opinions. If you want your thoughts and feelings to be respected, you need to do the same with others. This means no generalizing. Choose your words carefully, because how you say something determines whether or not it is going to appear mean or offensive.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:49 pm
The rules were what inspired me.
If the belief is reasonable, then yes, you should be respectful.
But the beliefs I listed above (except Scientology, I was kidding there) I hold in contempt. I'm not going to bother hiding that. Being civil when you hold something in contempt only makes the matter worse.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:56 pm
Well unless this person that you don't agree with is getting up in your face about your beliefs, there's no reason to get in their face. For example, I'm an atheist. I go to a school where basically everyone is Christian, or some form of it. At the start of the school year someone spread the fact that I was an atheist. A couple of people started to distance themselves from me, but nobody called me out, so I didn't yell at them, even if I disagree with their beliefs. This became a huge problem with all the drama of Prop 8. I severely diagreed with basically everyone at school, but I kept my opinion to myself, and they didn't shove their opinions down my throat. So the issue never became "worse". Prop 8 passed, I got a couple jeers, and it's done now.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:58 pm
Wrong is wrong.
If it doesn't harm anyone, than sure. If it's promoting intolerance, then it's your moral duty to get in their face.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:00 pm
But why would you feel the need to get in the face of a person you may barely know? Maybe this is a male/female difference. I'm more passive in my beliefs. You're not.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:03 pm
I think that we should be allowed to say whatever we want. As long as you don't threaten to kill a group, it should be okay. I don't like it when people avoid the big issues, because avoiding them will just make it worse. I am an avid atheist, and if i were to say anything, i would lose all my friends...
But, i'm losing respect for some religions
Besides, extremists are closer to the real faith then the "reformed" who conform to modernity
I just think there should be a better environment to express your beliefs, in school or college isn't the greatest.
BTW, many people admire Hitler, not for his misdeeds, but for the fact that he was a brilliant general who used what he had... Until he invaded Russia
I think we should put aside our egos and what we want to WHAT IS RIGHT.
If you look at Dawkin's website no matter how many people use logical explanations to try to deter the christian, they ALWAYS go like, "you're wrong because i think you're wrong, and it'll hurt my ego"...
Literally...
Lastly, i hate it when people say morality is tied to religion. It's not, in fact we have done brain scans where we see what part of the brain is turned on when we judge moral justice. If you turn your back to science, then you can't live, because science gives us everything. Development, life, food, shelter, clothes, computer, and entertainment. everything we love.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:14 pm
The Ravenclaw Beauty But why would you feel the need to get in the face of a person you may barely know? Maybe this is a male/female difference. I'm more passive in my beliefs. You're not. (I'm passive too. I'm trying to get discussion going). Passive permits wrongs to happen. If you don't step up then you let it happen. Europe sat back and respected Germany's beliefs as they elected Hitler. We all know where that lead. @SoulSkourer: I admire Hitler because he's one of the few humans with the balls to stand up for what he believed was right. Don't get me wrong though. The Holocaust was wrong.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:16 pm
Valheita The Ravenclaw Beauty But why would you feel the need to get in the face of a person you may barely know? Maybe this is a male/female difference. I'm more passive in my beliefs. You're not. (I'm passive too. I'm trying to get discussion going). Passive permits wrongs to happen. If you don't step up then you let it happen. Europe sat back and respected Germany's beliefs as they elected Hitler. We all know where that lead. @SoulSkourer: I admire Hitler because he's one of the few humans with the balls to stand up for what he believed was right. Don't get me wrong though. The Holocaust was wrong. He was really really really really really really really smart... Till he invaded Russia And decided to kill jewish people for no reason I think that if you let a criminal out of jail, MOST of them will just continue what they're doing. Unless they have another way to support themself, then they are doomed to continue crime. Let's stop fighting crime Let's start fighting poverty. Crime will mostly subside when that happens
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:22 pm
SoulSkourer I think that if you let a criminal out of jail, MOST of them will just continue what they're doing. Unless they have another way to support themself, then they are doomed to continue crime. Let's stop fighting crime Let's start fighting poverty. Crime will mostly subside when that happens Lead me not into temptation. The generation of crime by poverty is an area of debate I'm very passionate about, but it's not the point of this topic.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:14 pm
...Define respect.
I disagree with any religion, mainly because I don't believe in an exact right or wrong like most(or all?) religions do. But I'll rarely agure about it 'cause I know it's a waste of time.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:29 pm
I will respect others' beliefs as long as they are not forced on me.
If a Muslim man is abusing his wife in front of me, as an example, I will say something. If I can't see that any abuse is happening or I am not drawn into a conversation with him regarding it, I'm not just going to start arguing with him out of the blue.
And, just because you mentioned it in your first post, I will say that people with certain skin colors are better... from a genetic standpoint. Whites, for example, are very genetically weak compared to black people because of a larger number of population bottlenecks. xD
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:28 am
I kinda agree with Val, just that I don't start a huge discussion with them about it....[I might have misunderstood something, so...maybe ignore that part]
I don't approve of religion period. There's been so many stupid wars started because of it.
And I just respect their beliefs as long as they don't throw them in my face. If they get me started on any of it, all hell breaks loose. [pun intended]
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