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 Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:30 am
Via PandagonQuote: Doctor who saved many women’s lives murderedDr. George Tiller, whose clinic is quite possibly the most picketed and protested in the country, has been murdered while at services in his Lutheran church. So far, there’s no suspects caught, but police are looking for a powder blue Taurus. Odds are pretty strong the murderer is a forced childbirth terrorist, out to kill the doctor who focused his practice on providing therapeutic abortions to women later in their pregnancy than most abortion providers can or will service. Dr. Tiller was a brave man and a real hero. He was already shot once in 1993, but despite the ongoing threat of violence, he continued to work diligently to provide abortion services to women who are often in the worst possible situation, facing down the termination of a pregnancy that was being eagerly planned for, until things went terribly wrong. If a woman has a later term therapeutic abortion---be it because it was a wanted pregnancy, she has serious mental health issues, or she is a child victim of rape---it’s rarely easy on her mentally or physically. Dr. Tiller’s clinic was renowned for the thoughtful patient support to help women get through what is a very difficult time---counseling, support groups, religious services for the lost baby if you desire. He didn’t have to do this. He didn’t have to put his life and his family’s life on the line every day to tend to women going through a little-understood trauma. He didn’t have to go through a sea of protesters who hate women so much they actually think that women are lying about their problems so they “get” to have later term abortions. He didn’t have to suffer through relentless legal abuse at the hands of fundamentalist misogynists who obtain political power by exploiting voter ignorance about abortion. He didn’t have to make himself the target for this murder to help women, but for whatever reason, he rose to this challenge, and that makes him a real hero. Condolences to George Tiller’s family. Update: SUSPECT APPREHENDED
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:53 am
Via FeministingQuote: Dr. Tiller's murder: What you can doIn comments to my previous post on the killing of Dr. George Tiller, AnatomyFightSong asked, I would love to hear people's thoughts on how we can mobilize to (non-violently) fight back. How can we turn this terrible tragedy into an opportunity to strengthen the pro-choice movement? It's hard to know how to respond to something like this with more than just sadness and anger. A few suggestions on what to do with that energy: Attend a memorial vigil for Dr. Tiller. * Wichita, KS: Meet at 8pm on Sunday in Old Town Square. * Lawrence, KS: Meet at 8pm on Sunday at the South Park Gazebo * Washington, D.C.: Meet at 9pm on Sunday at the fountain at Dupont Circle. Also at 6:30pm on Monday at the White House. * Boston, MA: Meet at 6pm on Monday at St. Paul's Episcopal Cathedral. * Seattle: Meet at 6pm on Monday, Details TBA. (Follow @ProChoiceWA on Twitter for details.) * Portland, OR: Meet at Pioneer Courthouse Square on Monday at 8:00pm * Ottawa, ON: Meet at 8:00pm on Tuesday, June 2 at the Human Rights Monument @ Elgin & Lisgar * Kansas City, MO:Meet on Monday at 8pm at the JC Nichols Fountain (near the Plaza). * Yakima, WA: Meet at 6pm on Monday at Millennium Arts Plaza * St. Louis, MO: Meet at 6:30pm on Monday at St Johns Episcopal Church * New York, NY: Meet at 6pm on Monday, location TBA. * Atlanta, GA: Meet at 7pm on Tuesday at Woodruff Park. If your city/town isn't listed, plan a vigil yourself! Vigil photos are posted here and here. * Also, NOW is urging people to wear white armbands in memory of Dr. Tiller today (Monday). Donate to a pro-choice organization. * Medical Students for Choice -- to train the next generation of abortion providers * National Network of Abortion Funds -- to help low-income women access abortion Discuss how this is connected to the daily intimidation of abortion providers all over the country. * Write letters to your local media when you see this framed as an isolated incident, or as the act of just one extremist. Explain how this is connected to the broader issue of threats and intimidation against women's health care providers. * Encourage your friends and family members who aren't pro-choice to reject groups that endorse or support extremist behavior. Thank an abortion provider! People who work and volunteer in reproductive health clinics (both those that provide abortions and those that don't) risk their lives every day to ensure women's health and freedoms are protected. They also deal with a lot of harassment and crap that might not be physically dangerous, but is a huge mental burden and daily stress. Let's use this as an opportunity to recognize their commitment, and say THANK YOU! UPDATE: Ask Obama to commit to reviving the National Task Force on Violence Against Health Care Providers. Write to the Obama administration and ask that the Department of Justice work to enforce the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act. FACE was enacted after the murder of Dr. David Gunn in 1993, but the task force to ensure its enforcement was basically dormant during the Bush years. Ask Obama to revive it to protect reproductive health care providers and women who seek these services. More info here. Other thoughts on how to respond -- both individually and as a pro-choice community?
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:29 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:53 pm
The thing that distresses me the most about this is the response that I’ve seen from the Pro-Life community. So far, the people I've seen talk about this aren't really upset that this Dr. Tiller was murdered. Although they may say things like, "We fight to end abortion legally, and killing abortion doctors isn't legal," there isn't really any horror or outrage that this happened. At most, there is outrage that Dr. Tiller’s murder may generate support and sympathy for the Pro-Choice position.
I shouldn’t be surprised because my mother has been warning me about this for years, but I never really heard it until today. After all, these why would Pro-Lifers be horrified? To them, this man was a baby killer, and I think most of us would be unable to be truly horrified by the murder of a baby killer. If you went up to a bunch of Pro-Choice individuals and said, "Mr. Z drowned 100 toddlers in the bath tub, and Mr. Z was killed last night to keep him from drowning any more toddlers," would we, as a group, be truly appalled by Mr. Z’s death? Or would we feel, at least to some extent, that it was good that Mr. Z died?
Ultimately, this has really hit home to me that killing people who support the right to abortion is not inconsistent with the average Pro-Life belief system. When normal, everyday Pro-Life individuals compare abortion in the USA to the Holocaust in Nazi Germany, Pro-Choice individuals are left in the role of the Nazis. And how many people are upset that Nazis were killed in an effort to save the Jews*? Very, very few. Why am I surprised that so many Pro-Lifers are not upset that Dr. Tiller was killed?
If all I was encountering from this terrible event was Dr. Tiller’s death, I could set this down as the action of one extremist man. However, I’ve been watching how the Pro-Life community responds, and I find myself shaken. When a man drags his daughter in to an abortion clinic and attempts to threaten the staff into performing an abortion against his daughter’s will, both sides are truly, honestly aghast. Both sides can unite against such an action with no feelings of empathy for the man. But when Dr. Tiller is killed? I see individuals who I thought to be the most ordinary of Pro-Lifers speaking of understanding where the shooter was coming from.
I have no idea how to deal with this, emotionally.
*Note: I am aware that not only Jews were killed the the Holocaust. Listing all the groups that were is more than I think I'm up to.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:23 pm
It's very sad. This man went through harrassment, stalking, vandalism, bombings, a previous shooting (both arms), a stabbing and more yet he still went to work every day. As Calixti's link shows, this man was saving women's lives. We've lost a hero. But... I wish I never went on Twitter yesterday: CarnalNation | Tweets of Hate: The Crazy Right Twitters About the Assassination of Dr Tiller.*sigh* Pro-choice folksinger/feminist icon Ani DiFranco on abortion providers and the violence they face: Hello Birmingham, about the fatal shooting of an abortion provider in her hometown and the bombing of a clinic in Alabama. All I found were the lyrics and that's a shame because you really have to hear it. And of course, those lines from Self Evident: "Here's a toast to all those nurses and doctors who, daily, provide women with a choice who stand down a threat the size of Oklahoma City just to listen to a young woman's voice" More links (from sane people on Twitter): Rachel Maddow's Twitter (maddow) had this interesting link. It's from that awful Army of God group, so be wary of clicking: Quote: Pro-murder pledge by anti-abortion militants in '93: http://site-not-allowed/LVa9 Signer 6 executed in '03 for killing a doc and clinic escort Pam Spaulding of Pam's House Blend and Pandagon posted this: Quote: Pam_Spaulding- no it's not their fault: Phone number for Operation Rescue's senior policy advisor found on suspect's dashboard. http://bit.ly/Kv87Z
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:07 pm
Honestly I don't know how to react to this news. I just read about it this morning and so far I've been tossed between anger and sadness. This was a man who offered women in a bad situation a chance to end it and his life was senselessly taken by someone who in their own warped mind was pro-life. I've always had mixed feelings about political pro-lifers. Something about the way they believe they have the right to rule over another persons choice rubs me wrong. Yet I've still carried the thought that they may not understand or just disagree with us but they are still trying to change the world for (in their opinion) the better. I'm use to seeing moronic and just plain cruel comments from pro-lifers. It happens. But when it comes to the death of a human being... Quote: Though killing is not the answer, I hope he was hit somewhere painful and felt his bleedout. Quote: PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:33 pm Is there such a thing as a smart choicer? I just wanted Tiller to die from a heartattack or stroke, not assassinated. These kind of comments are just disgusting and unnecessary. (Taken from the pro-life guild.) Hey at least the last one only wanted him dead. Not murdered. rolleyes But after reading through news websites and even threads and guilds on gaia I simply feel completely disillusioned with the pro-life side. I see NO posts from the pro-life side saying how horrible it was that he was murdered. No concern for his family and community. Only quick, knee-jerk statements that equate to "We didn't do it!" And bitching about how this is going lead to a backlash for pro-lifers. I also the fear that this sort of thing will become more prominent. That "pro-life" terrorists will feel entitled to murder doctors, clinic workers or even pregnant women looking for abortions in some warped attempt to save fetuses. I realize that I'm rambling now so I'm going to end this with saying that I am obviously upset about the whole ordeal and send my prayers and condolences to the Dr's family and friends. Tomorrow I'm going to check my bank account and see if I can donate to some pro-choice organization.
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:29 pm
... Can we report comments like that?! More Links:Jill of Feministe has this piece up at The Guardian: Who killed George Tiller?Quote: [...] Some pro-life groups are issuing statements of condemnation and attempting to paint this murder as the work of an extremist. But this latest act of terrorism is, sadly, not an anomaly. It is part of a clearly-established pattern of harassment, intimidation and violence against abortion providers and pro-choice individuals. And mainstream pro-life groups shoulder much of the blame. Pro-life organisations routinely refer to abortion as "murder", a "genocide" and a "holocaust". They post the full names abortion providers on their websites, along with their addresses, their license plate numbers, their photos, the names of children and the schools those children attend (sometimes with helpful Wild-West-style "Wanted" posters offering $5,000 rewards). When you convince your followers that abortion providers are the equivalent of SS officers slaughtering innocents by the millions, tell them that "it's all-out WAR" against pro-choicers and then provide the home addresses and personal information of the "monster" "late-term baby-killer" abortion providers you're supposedly at war against, you can't act surprised when those followers conclude that it's morally justified to use the information to kill doctors. [...] PZ Myers at Pharyngula has posted about this a lot recently. Here are some: Not For Delicate Stomachs: Anti-abortion blogger Gingi Edmonds comments on the murder of Dr. Tiller with her usual insane remarks. Frank Schaeffer: Not good enough: The "not-pologies" of Frank Schaeffer and Randall Terry. Quote: No, not good enough. Abortion must remain a decision between a woman and her doctor…crazy evangelists (or ex-evangelists) and senators have no part in it. And the late term abortions? I am so fed up with the oh-so-concerned "pro-lifers" being "horrified" by them — those abortions are carried out when the pregnancy is threatening the life of the mother. Those are specifically decisions from which some patriarchal relic should be ejected. Does he really hope to place more obstacles and more stress in the way of frightened and often grieving women? EDIT: Holy ******** s**t. That same person in the PLG who said they hoped he suffered had this to say: Quote: I'm noticing the media spin-machine at work. The glaze over what the "doctor" had done, putting him on the level of a simple abortionist- Third trimester abortion is heinous, and while I do not support murder, I see where the shooter was coming from. Actually, screw it, I may support murder in instances such as this where law is deaf dumb and blind. Blatant painful murder is unacceptable. Did you recoil in shock when Dahmer was beaten down, albeit illegally, for his crimes against humanity? The spin the media is putting on this is quite epic, it would be like calling Hitler's suicide in his bunker as "Prolific youth leader and economic genius kills self due to lack of western support"- While technically true in all of the words, it's the part they omit that is the killer. So it goes, so it goes. I'm banned from posting there and I don't think they even want me reading, so I don't know what to do. Can we report this to a mod or tell the guild leader to take care of this?! Quote: Law is irrelevant. Remember slavery? Not literally, of course, but remember it's history? Just because something is legal does not make it right. Just because something is illegal does not make it wrong. It just means that the humans at the time have given it a mortal, faulty analysis which does not necessarily meet the objective standard. Murdering a full-term baby is something that should be punishable, and repeat offenders should be killed. A fetus at the third trimester could just as easily be removed alive. Therefore, the only difference is it's location. Practitioners of late-term abortion are committing a terrible crime, and while I mourn the fact that the media is spinning us into oblivion, I relish the idea of such a murderer getting his just deserts. And the man who killed him did not believe he was doing good? And Hitler did not think he was doing good for the chosen Aryan race? And Dahmer didn't think he was, at least, doing nothing wrong? If it's a question of belief that something isn't wrong, then set the shooter free, he is just as right as Tiller.
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:44 pm
******** wow. I just completely lost my appetite. Quote: ... Can we report comments like that?! I wouldn't report those, the comments seem hypothetical in nature (personally, I interpreted the last one as talking about being deserving of the death penalty) as opposed to seriously encouraging harm or illegal activity, or trolling anybody on here. I personally don't agree with those quotes at all, of course, but they aren't breaking any site rules.
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:35 pm
This is a story I found on THIS website of a man and his wife's experience in Dr. Tiller's care. I bolded some of the text that stood out to me. Quote: As suggested upthread, my wife and I spent a week in Dr. Tiller's care after we learned our 21 week fetus had a severe defect incompatible with life. The laws in our state prevented us from ending the pregnancy there, and Dr. Tiller was one of maybe three choices in the whole nation at that gestational age. My wife just called with the news of his murder, weeping. I can't really come up with some profound political statement just now, so let me just list some memories of Dr. Tiller. -I remember him firmly stating that he regarded the abortion debate in the US to be about the control of women's sexuality and reproduction. -I remember he spent over six hours in one-on-one care with my wife when there was concern she had an infection. We're talking about a physician here. Six hours. -He told the story of his previous shooting, where a woman shot him twice in both arms as he drove out of his clinic. At first he wanted to run her down with his Jeep, but then he thought "she shot you already George, she'll do it again!" -I remember being puzzled about a T-shirt he was wearing, which said "Happy Birthday Jennifer from team Tiller!" or something similar. Turns out it comemmorated the birthday of a fifteen year old girl who was raped, became pregnant, and came to Tiller for an abortion. As luck would have it, she was in the clinic the same week as her birthday. So the clinic threw her a party.-The walls of the clinic reception and waiting room are literally covered with letters from patients thanking him. Some were heartbreaking - obviously young and/or poorly educated people thanking Dr. Tiller for being there when they had no other options, explaining their family, church etc. had abandoned them. -I remember my wife, foggy with sedation after the final procedure, being helped from the exam table. He had her sit up and put her arms around his neck, and then he lifted her into a wheelchair. "You give good hugs" she whispered. He paused just for a moment. "You're just fine," he told her. posted by werkzeuger at 4:28 PM on May 31 [363 favorites] Yes, this man is obviously a monster. He spent six hours with one of his patients to make sure she was alright. Does tasks that are usually assigned to nurses or M.A's and throws a birthday party for a girl who probably wouldn't have had any if he hadn't. What a horrible man. /sarcasm
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:27 am
I can't even begin to read the heinous comments coming from the anti-choice/anti-life side about Dr. Tiller's death (He is a doctor wether you like it or not). But the stories about women who were at such dire need to see him are really heartening. Feministe has a bunch. People have also been flooding I'm not sorry with their new stories. Not so afraid to stand up right now. I have been tempted to see what the vile Jill Stanek has to say but I can't bring myself to go there.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:35 am
Rachel Maddow has been covering this extensively and has a lot of really intelligent things to say. Here are some videos on YouTube (my old dial-up is gone!): Encouraging Violence: A few anti-abortion groups and individuals are celebrating (or refusing to condemn) the shooting of Dr. Tiller. She also interviews Vicki Saporta of the National Abortion Federation who knew Dr. Tiller personally. A Brief History of Anti-Abortion Terrorism In America: "Rachel Maddow expertly details a brief history of anti-abortion terrorism in America up through the murder/assassination of Dr. George Tiller, including a look at Bill O'Reilly's role in the killing and his disingenuous disclaimer. " Rachel on the Anti-Abortion Movement Part 2: "Rachel analyses and discusses the success of the Anti-Abortion Terrorist Movement,as well as legal efforts to restrict Choice and Freedom." I'll check out Stanek. I've been submitting her to Fundies Say The Darndest Things for a while now and I don't think anything she could say about this would shock me. EDIT: Jill Stanek's not advoacting it, but as usual she's lying her a** off over at WingNutWorld Net Daily: Quote: The third trimester begins at 28 weeks of pregnancy, when healthy babies have more than 90 percent chance of surviving. There is no health reason for a mother to abort in the third trimester. Her baby can be delivered alive as easy as or easier than aborted dead. HEALTHY ones. We're not talking about the healthy ones but she ignores that. We're talking about cases of severe fetal abnormalities and complications where the fetus is already dead or dying and the life and health of the woman are at risk. When you think about it, opposing late-term abortion is an extreme stance because it's done in cases that mainstream pro-life people typically describe as acceptable. Quote: In many states it is illegal to abort a viable baby. This includes Kansas, where Tiller practiced. Kansas has one of the most restrictive laws in the nation, wherein a mother can abort a viable baby only if two doctors find she would otherwise suffer "severe and irreversible damage to a major bodily function." Oh, those whiny selfish bitches not wanting to be permanently disabled! rolleyes Quote: In an event I can't conceive, that a mother would die in her third trimester if her baby were not aborted, it has always been legal in every hospital in every state to abort to save a mother's life. The prevailing reason mothers aborted at Tiller's mill was because their babies had health issues, so they decided to kill them. Rather than to give birth to them and watch them slowly and agonizingly die. I'm a little bit surprised that she didn't say he got what was coming to him or anything like that. Isn't that what someone would say about a person they believed to be a mass-murderer? She does, however, believe that lying is an acceptable method in deterring women from having an abortion and that domestic violence is acceptable when a man finds out that his partner had an abortion.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:09 am
When I heard what happened on the news on Sunday, I was furious. I mean who in their right mind would do such a horrible thing. How can that person justify such a horrible act? The people that support these acts of terrorism, should be arrested and treated like the terrorists from Al Queda...-.- To be fair.
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:14 pm
But, but everyone knows that only Muslims can be terrorists! rolleyes All these noble pro-life groups are doing is using violence and threats in an attempt to intimidate their opponents into complying with their will! More bullshit: Scott Roeder was caught vandalizing a clinic the day before he killed Dr. Tiller. Quote: Fifty-one-year-old Roeder, who was charged Tuesday with Tiller's murder, allegedly showed up at the Central Family Medicine clinic over the past two weekends and tried to pour epoxy into its locks. Both attacks were reported to officials, but neither warranted police action, apparently. During his final nonviolent attack early Saturday morning, a clinic worker caught him in the act and chased him away while he repeatedly called her a "baby killer." She wrote down his license plate number and clinic manager Jeffrey Pederson called the FBI to report the attack and pass along Roeder's plate number. FBI agents "told him nothing could be done with the information until a federal grand jury convened," CNN reports. The next day, Pederson got word of Tiller's death, and the suspect's license plate number. It was the same number he had given the FBI just the day before. "I was just sick," he told the Kansas City Star. "I called the FBI back and said, 'It's the same car. It’s the same guy.'" An FBI spokesperson told the newspaper: "When we are notified when vandalism occurs at a clinic, we look into the matter, but we’re not going to comment on anything regarding that incident." scream
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:52 am
This is a bulletin I receieved from a friend on myspace regarding Tiller's death. He needs to get his facts straight for one thing.. Quote: The recent death of George Tiller was an act of deliberate violence. A man walked into the church Tiller was attending and shot him dead. This man chose to take the law into his own hands, and now he must face the consequences of his actions. The ironic part is that George Tiller also chose to kill. Tiller is responsible for the deaths of thousands of babies, who were viable to live outside the womb. Our media stood by, silent as he committed murder after murder. In fact, he was defended by the media, the pro choice activists, and ultimately, our liberal government. Serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer was not defended by the media, nor his actions condoned. Nor was John Wayne Gacy. Rightfully so, their brutal and unthinkable acts were reported in all their gory detail. Not so for George Tiller. Why? The only logical reason can be that they support the murders that he committed. But how as a people can we simply sit back and accept such attrocities as normal, acceptable, attrocities that continue to happen everyday in this country? That is a question we must seriously consider. Perhaps its because many simply do not understand what it is that Tiller and people like him do. And that is very understandable seeing that main stream media purposefully ignores the details of the deplorable act. It is called partial birth abortion. This is a type of abortion performed on babies who can live outside the womb. The abortionist induces a woman to dialate. He takes his hand and repositions the baby that it comes out feet first. The baby is delivered, all but the head. With a pair of sissors or sharp instrument, the abortionist stabs a hole at the base of the skull, going into the brain. He then inserts a suction device and sucks the brains from the child. This is called a proceedure. I wonder if Hitler called the gas chambers a proceedure? It is a brutal, calous, and systematic way to murder unwanted children. Imagine a baby, twitching and writhing, still hanging from its mother's womb as a pair of sissors is being plunged into its little head, killing the poor defenseless child! We need to let people know about this, because our new administration supports this as a woman's right. It is not a right to murder, it is a crime, both in the laws of the land, as well as God's law! And we are called to choose life! John Wayne Gacy and Jeffery Dalhmer were both serial rapists( Dalhmer I'm not sure). They raped their victims before he killed them. Hitler was nuts. Gacy was nuts as was Dalhmer..
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:08 am
PhaedraMcSpiffy But, but everyone knows that only Muslims can be terrorists! rolleyes All these noble pro-life groups are doing is using violence and threats in an attempt to intimidate their opponents into complying with their will! More bullshit: Scott Roeder was caught vandalizing a clinic the day before he killed Dr. Tiller. Quote: Fifty-one-year-old Roeder, who was charged Tuesday with Tiller's murder, allegedly showed up at the Central Family Medicine clinic over the past two weekends and tried to pour epoxy into its locks. Both attacks were reported to officials, but neither warranted police action, apparently. During his final nonviolent attack early Saturday morning, a clinic worker caught him in the act and chased him away while he repeatedly called her a "baby killer." She wrote down his license plate number and clinic manager Jeffrey Pederson called the FBI to report the attack and pass along Roeder's plate number. FBI agents "told him nothing could be done with the information until a federal grand jury convened," CNN reports. The next day, Pederson got word of Tiller's death, and the suspect's license plate number. It was the same number he had given the FBI just the day before. "I was just sick," he told the Kansas City Star. "I called the FBI back and said, 'It's the same car. It’s the same guy.'" An FBI spokesperson told the newspaper: "When we are notified when vandalism occurs at a clinic, we look into the matter, but we’re not going to comment on anything regarding that incident." Wow..... WOW............. I am incredibly shocked. I thought the FBI was better than that.
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