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Zyx

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:38 pm


Please comment on:
"Greta, or The Rose Garden," posted in 5 separate sections on page 2.

"Greta" is meant to stand on its own, as part of a subsection composed of linked short stories, so don't worry about how it fits into the overall narrative. It. . . probably does. Somehow.

I would like to link you straight to that post, but I don't know how, so just navigate along.

Critique Guidelines:
1. What is going on? Does a given excerpt make sense, and, if so, what are you getting out of it? If nothing is coming through, I'd like you to let me know.

2. Who/what is the narrator, and how do you feel about that? (Interested, repelled, bored, curious, angry?)

3. What bits did you like, hate, or find boring? (If you can, tell me why, but any description of what you consider the strengths and weaknesses of a piece.)

4. Did you feel that there were too many or too few words, explanations, or details at any point? Where/when?

5. What do you think might make this piece more interesting, effective, or entertaining to read, and who/what would you cite as an example of techniques I should imitate?

6. Miscellaneous comments: Sentence structure? Pet peeves? Poor spelling or word choice? Reminds you of that one time with the things and the stuff? Feel like cutting off my hands so I will never write again? Feel the need to give feedback I didn't ask for, but probably should have? Say as much or as little as you like.

PLEASE COMMENT, especially if you have nothing nice to say.

Also, the dated posts are just me rambling, so don't bother reading them if you don't want to laugh at my writing process.
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:40 pm


Synopsis

A famous medium/mentalist/magician/magician's assistant makes it big in Britain after World War I, then becomes increasingly eccentric.
Structured as. . . well, let's just say it's biography-shaped, at this point, with appendages (like appendices, only messier).

Most of this seems to be appearing in the form of first-person accounts, including segments of our hero's irritatingly cryptic memoir. The whole thing is allegedly compiled around 1947 (maybe later), and set between 1890 and 1935.

Zyx


Zyx

PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:41 pm


To Write List
=Strange elixirs from the Orient usually end in tears.
=Eyebrows are difficult
=How much for the boy in the turban?
=Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, guess I'll go eat words

Not to Write List
=anything that tilts to obviously into one interpretation
=stuff I haven't finished researching
=stuff that never happened
=in which the hero dies a pure-hearted, lonely virgin

To write or not to write?
=marriage? infideltiy?
=the queer/bisexual love triangle that will make everyone laugh at me
=Gratuitous redheaded girl
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:42 pm


Miscellaneous

Soundtrack
Techno on Pandora.com

Procrastination
Trying to figure out what to write. (Wait, does that count?)

Conundrum
How can I figure out what James is seeing when I don't know what the @$%^ I'm seeing right now?

Zyx


Zyx

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:18 pm


June 2, 2:00 am

Writer's block is a funny thing. It'll make almost any other project flow like nobody's business. Any project except anything connected to real responsibility. My newsletter articles are languishing, as is my correspondence, but the rewrites on my last project are on fire.

It doesn't help that I'm jet-lagged. Nor does the fact that it's 80 degrees and 100% humidity. Furthermore, I am allergic to the house where I'm staying. I have an amazing number of excuses at my disposal.

The past few nights I have woken up at 3:00 or 4:00 am in a cold sweat, struck with some crucial idea on one or another project. 4:00 am is treacherous. almost all of my best and worst moments of realization happen around that time of night, even if I've tried to sleep beforehand.

I use the phrase "writer's block" as a euphemism. I find myself reluctant to admit that the novel I've outlined scares the living $#!% out of me.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:10 am


June 4, 3:00 am

Chapter 2 is one of those biography-flavored "early years" things that winds up reading: "we can't tell what he was like as a kid because he wasn't famous then, but here's a few vague anecdotes." I already have the first paragraph, complete with a prim, snarky footnote in which my narrator asserts his own objectivity. Now he and I have to let in a whole lot of other people who are going to tell outrageous lies, none of which will be more entertaining than the lies told in the hero's own autobiography, which (unfortunately) does touch briefly on his childhood.

Maybe I can skip Chapter 2. However, "Chapter 1" may actually be an introduction, and the current shape of the story requires it to do the chronological thing biographies usually do. My narrator insists that it's necessary. I may override him, but it's risky, and I can only do that if I can imagine a cleverer version of biography form.

I've been unable to avoid asking friends and acquaintances the following question:
If one's narrator decides to be a disillusioned, gay (closeted) journalist/historian/biographer who's trying to comment on World War II, and one's protagonist starts to turn into David Bowie, is it advisable to give up all hope?

So far, I've only gotten two answers:"WTF?" (about three times) and "Umm. . . turning into David Bowie is generally a bad outcome."

This project needs an outline, and I need more wine.

Zyx


Zyx

PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:57 pm


June 6, 2:45 am

William Perkins is shoddy. Not only does Madame LaFleur have a stupid name, she's hateful and I hate her, and don't want to write in her voice. But she's important, somehow. Or possibly just insistent.

James Alden has too many origin stories, too many pseudonyms and no real name. He shouldn't even be called "James Alden" except that the name has stuck, hard. It's not a very good stage name, even. But there it is.

Harry Medford keeps clinging to an outmoded story model, but he has a very distinctive red silk brocade waistcoat. And he won't go away. Also. . . he's the producer, or the financial adviser, or something. For someone. He means well-for an ad man. Which means he's a bit too smug and slimy to be at all benevolent, though he's pleasant enough if you don't let him shake your hand. (He has plump, sweaty hands, and his grip feels just like a warm octopus.)

Who the Hell is Ella? Or, rather, I know who she is. She's a businesslike, no-nonsense horsewoman who isn't quite pretty enough for the stage, but holds her own as a performer anyway. But what's she doing here, other than keeping people in line, being awesome, and having quiet crushes on people? I can't even tell if she works Vaudeville, British variety shows, or the bloody circus.

The crushes are Betsy's job, anyway. But she's too busy having the vapors to do anything useful. Also, I have no idea where she fits in. But I can see her, too. Sitting at her dressing table, rosy-cheeked and vacant-eyed, blushing when she looks into the mirror and sees Alden standing behind her. Oh, God, how I wish she would go away.

And now I'm rambling.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:58 pm


June 7, 7:00 pm

I have come to the conclusion that I may inadvertently have told some lies about my writing process. it's not that I don't like to share excerpts and get feedback. I love feedback, and I love having people tell me what they want to read so I can write it for them. (Especially when I'm writing pornog-I mean, erotica-which is a fun game for two or more to play.)

No, the real problem is that I would rather not ask for critiques until I think what I've written vaguely resembles what I'm trying to write. So what I need to do is be certain enough of one section to polish it, and submit it for comment.

Unfortunately, I have no idea what I'm doing right now. This thing is too big to see, let alone outline, and unless I know where I'm going, I don't really know what scenes to polish.

Well, no . . . that's also a bit of a lie. I know where the story starts. It starts with the narrator's angle, more or less, and I can see that one clearly enough to write it. Hell, I have written it. Some of the other stuff is fairly clear in my mind, too, and could be written without causing my brain to hemorrhage in all directions.

But editing is hard, and I am both indolent and cowardly. Alas.

Zyx


Zyx

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:43 am


June 10, 4:40 am

I finally broke 10,000 words. This thing is getting weirder and weirder by the page. Given how my writing process usually works, that may be a good sign, but it's still creepy to watch it unfold in long, gooey strings of morbid metaphor.

This happens every time. Every stinking time. Just once I would like to write something completely pleasant, sunny, and innocuous. Is that too much to ask?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:08 am


Am I allowed to comment on here?
Ah well.

I'll admit that your story sounds fascinating so far, from what you've rambled, and anything that brings up stage magic somehow catches my attention. I don't know.

Don't know what to say about your lament, either. Forcing yourself to write happy stuff? Ha, I doubt that's gonna happen. You can try cutting out some of the nastier aspects of your work, though, or just squash them down into subtext.

Jasper Riddle


Zyx

PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:52 pm


Jasper Riddle
Am I allowed to comment on here?
Ah well.

I'll admit that your story sounds fascinating so far, from what you've rambled, and anything that brings up stage magic somehow catches my attention. I don't know.

Don't know what to say about your lament, either. Forcing yourself to write happy stuff? Ha, I doubt that's gonna happen. You can try cutting out some of the nastier aspects of your work, though, or just squash them down into subtext.


Yeah, comment all you like. I'm glad it at least sounds interesting. I've become increasingly obsessed with stage magic over the course of my research. (Actually, before I was ever seriously interested in magic, I worked with an amateur magician in a very small capacity when I was about 12, but unfortunately I didn't learn any sleight of hand, and I didn't take proper advantage of the research opportunity.)

A couple of nonfiction books I particularly liked were two by Jim Steinmeyer: Art and Artifice, and other Essays on Illusion, and The Glorious Deception: The double life of William Robinson, aka Chung Ling Soo, the "Marvelous Chinese Conjurer. There's. . . well, lots more. My fiction research has been a little more oblique, since some of it is more relevant for style than for content.

My main worry about the unpleasant aspects is that they may be standing in for more complicated emotions-a kind of shorthand to avoid going into situations and relationship dynamics that I'd rather not think about. (Too close to home, or too depressing: I prefer gruesome to miserable.) It also doesn't help that I have sort of a morbid sense of humor to begin with. *shrug* I'll be putting up an excerpt or two in a few days, and you can judge for yourself.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:19 am


June 17, 4:15 am

This four in the morning $%!# has got to stop. Seriously. I'm out of bourbon, my jeans are sticking to this accursed wooden chair, and all I have to show for it is a few hundred painstaking words, a sore everything, and the results of about three dozen idiotic personality tests.

Jesus.

Clearly, the solution is another beverage, and another hour or two glazing over in front of the screen.

Perhaps I should reconsider the whole "don't sleep until you finish X amount of writing" strategy. I've got work tomorrow later today.

In other news . . . why the balls do I still have the second presidential debate on my mp3 player? Or rather, why is there at all? I just bought the thing a couple of months ago.

Zyx


Jasper Riddle

PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:13 am


Use a reward system, as in unplug the internet until you've written. It helps.

Seriously.


@previous post: Ah. Yes. Well. that makes sense, not wanting to touch still-raw wounds.
Looking forward to your excerpt. :]
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:24 pm


Excerpt from "Postcards From Another World: A mentalist's Memoir"
Working title (of this excerpt): Greta, or The Rose Garden

REPOSTED IN 5 SEGMENTS, ON PAGE 2
Sorry about the inconvenience. It should be easier to read that way.

Zyx


Jasper Riddle

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:17 am


First off, wall-o-text here. Try inserting spaces between paragraphs.

I didn't really see any typos or things of that sort.
As for the story, very nice. I like it, so far.
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