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| Is Self-Defense A Ligitement Argument For Abortion? |
| That's The Stupidest Claim I've Ever Heard! |
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 Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:58 pm
So this pro-choice adult woman tried to convince me that abortion is self-defense. "What if the baby puts her in a dire financial situtation?" she argued.
Some would argue that abortion is self-preservation; defense against taking responsibility.
My view: Here's the problem with that argument: The unborn baby is no bigger than my palm. Outside and inside the womb it is completely defenseless against the mother. No, the kicking part doesn't count! I find the argument flimsy and even laughable.
I want to know your view. Do you think it's legitimate or do you think it's so stupid you can't believe I'm even asking this question.
I report, you decide!
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:16 pm
Rosary16 So this pro-choice adult woman tried to convince me that abortion is self-defense. "What if the baby puts her in a dire financial situtation?" she argued. Some would argue that abortion is self-preservation; defense against taking responsibility. My view: Here's the problem with that argument: The unborn baby is no bigger than my palm. Outside and inside the womb it is completely defenseless against the mother. No, the kicking part doesn't count! I find the argument flimsy and even laughable. I want to know your view. Do you think it's ligitement or do you think it's so stupid you can't believe I'm even asking this question. I report, you decide! If someone is in such a financial state that a child would be detrimental, what are they doing having sex? If someone gets pregnant at an inopportune time, whose fault is that? Who was it, exactly, who chose to have sex and create that child? Why would you get a free pass to kill your child for your own stupidity?
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:23 am
By that logic, if my parents are in a dire financial state, they can kill my brother because he's a drain on money.
In fact, if I'm in a dire financial state, I can rob a bank and it's fine because I'm in a dire financial state and NEED that money.
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 10:09 am
Hi! I'm new...
Abortion can be interpreted as self defense. I was prochoice for a while so I understand this viewpoint. It stems from the fact that the child is indeed using and attached to the woman's body. If her life is being threatened by the pregnancy (preeclampsia for example) then aborting the child could be viewed as defending her life, since it is the child's existence in the pregnancy that is making her ill.
However, in 99% of cases these days, pregnancy can be brought to or near term while keeping the woman safe, so there's really no sense to this defense.
As for a monetary defense, that's ridiculous. Your life is not in danger if you lose your job the same way your life is in danger if someone is trying to kill you. THAT is when 'self defense' is acceptable. Otherwise, we could all kill our bosses if they tried to fire us!
I think what that pro-choicer was thinking about was life STYLE. Not literal livelihood.
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:09 pm
EighthPlanet Hi! I'm new... Abortion can be interpreted as self defense. I was prochoice for a while so I understand this viewpoint. It stems from the fact that the child is indeed using and attached to the woman's body. If her life is being threatened by the pregnancy (preeclampsia for example) then aborting the child could be viewed as defending her life, since it is the child's existence in the pregnancy that is making her ill. However, in 99% of cases these days, pregnancy can be brought to or near term while keeping the woman safe, so there's really no sense to this defense. As for a monetary defense, that's ridiculous. Your life is not in danger if you lose your job the same way your life is in danger if someone is trying to kill you. THAT is when 'self defense' is acceptable. Otherwise, we could all kill our bosses if they tried to fire us! I think what that pro-choicer was thinking about was life STYLE. Not literal livelihood. Welcome to the forum! It's good to meet you!
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Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 1:48 pm
EighthPlanet Hi! I'm new... Abortion can be interpreted as self defense. I was prochoice for a while so I understand this viewpoint. It stems from the fact that the child is indeed using and attached to the woman's body. If her life is being threatened by the pregnancy (preeclampsia for example) then aborting the child could be viewed as defending her life, since it is the child's existence in the pregnancy that is making her ill. However, in 99% of cases these days, pregnancy can be brought to or near term while keeping the woman safe, so there's really no sense to this defense. As for a monetary defense, that's ridiculous. Your life is not in danger if you lose your job the same way your life is in danger if someone is trying to kill you. THAT is when 'self defense' is acceptable. Otherwise, we could all kill our bosses if they tried to fire us! I think what that pro-choicer was thinking about was life STYLE. Not literal livelihood. Not to mention, adoption is still an option. And welcome to the guild! We need more active members! biggrin Especially those with a sympathy for the other side, too many people just bash Choicers for being Choicers. So thanks for being here!
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:56 pm
The only and I mean ONLY way that abortion can be construed as self defense is if the child threatens the life of the mother.. terminating her pregnancy she thereby sustains her own life......and NOT her social life, people.
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:36 pm
divineseraph If someone is in such a financial state that a child would be detrimental, what are they doing having sex? If someone gets pregnant at an inopportune time, whose fault is that? Who was it, exactly, who chose to have sex and create that child? Why would you get a free pass to kill your child for your own stupidity? I agree, and have used this point when discussing with pro-choicers before. The retort I usually get is that sex is a natural, human thing and it isn't fair to say that people can never have sex. I try to tell them that I'm not saying that they can never have sex, but they should be prepared to accept the consequences of that action and be responsible. They argue that an abortion is taking responsibility. I swear, like talking to a brick wall sometimes.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:19 am
Exactly. Try presenting your argument like this- It is wrong to kill a fetus. I don't care if you have sex, I don't care if you get a disease or get pregnant or have a wonderful time with no consequence. It's all irrelevant to me. But what ever you do, it is still wrong to kill an unborn human being.
Take the "natural sexuality" out of the equation- It turns the abortion debate into an argument over who has sexual rights, and killing a fetus is not a sexual thing. Hopefully. A lot of choicers equivocate "you shouldn't have sex unless you're willing to accept the consequences" with "You shouldn't have sex, and if you do you have to have a baby", so remove the sex part of the argument and make it about the objective standard of protecting the lives of the unborn.
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:50 pm
The problem, is that people don't see the other side of the coin. Ok, so she has an abortion because she is poor. What if, because of the abortion, she becomes severely depressed, depression so deep, she becomes suicidal. Because of this depression, she shuts off from the world, stops going to work, stops hanging around with friends or family. Wouldn't you say the lose of a income is a dire financial situation. Sounds extreme, unfortunately there are a great number of women who get abortions that develop mental illnesses. That's a great financial strain.
In other words, it's so easy to see all that green grass from this side of the fence, but once you get there, you might not like what you see, regardless of how you got past the fence. And you know what, you might just love what's over there. You don't know the future and you can't base your life on what bad things can happen. If you choose to do good, you'll get rewarded far more, far longer than choosing bad.
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Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:40 pm
Its the dumbest thing i have heard in my life...i cant believe that women even said that!!!! Abortion is not self defense ..... unless you consider murdering someone who cant do anything about it self defense.....
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:48 am
wow. thats not a good reason to get an abortion. I think it is kinda a lame excuse that just fail. It would be an epic fail in my book.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:15 pm
Hmm, tricky question. I think that if I were a woman, I would have the baby even if the birth could kill me. I just don't think I could go through abortion, even with those circumstances.
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:06 pm
I would have to say the women didn't know what she was talking about or she rather just was trying to put a point across. personaly i think that killing a child because you don't have money is stupid...
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Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:09 pm
Rosary16 So this pro-choice adult woman tried to convince me that abortion is self-defense. "What if the baby puts her in a dire financial situtation?" she argued. Some would argue that abortion is self-preservation; defense against taking responsibility. My view: Here's the problem with that argument: The unborn baby is no bigger than my palm. Outside and inside the womb it is completely defenseless against the mother. No, the kicking part doesn't count! I find the argument flimsy and even laughable. I want to know your view. Do you think it's legitimate or do you think it's so stupid you can't believe I'm even asking this question. I report, you decide! Last I check, killing because of lack of money and feeling uncomfortable is not self defense. Self defense is saving yourself when in a dangerous situation (life or death). So unless the baby is literally killing the mother (such as an ectopic pregnancy), it's not self defense. It's not defense against responsibility but avoiding it.
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