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 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:42 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:28 pm
Well it may be interesting but more than likely dropped one day =/
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:02 pm
It's a fad to get kids interested in newspapers again.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:04 pm
Honestly, this caught my attention more: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/7776.htmlThe manga thing can go either way. Newspapers tend to want stuff that's short and sweet and memorable. Chances are the manga artists here won't have episodic four-panel-and-then-punchline comics to put in the newspaper, and will want to attempt to develop the storylines and characters way more than what the Paper wants out of them. I mean, s**t, the guy who was talking about Peach Fuzz was going on about interconnections between characters and romantic interests and stuff. North American newspaper editors and readers don't have the time or the attention span for that s**t! But I guess the editors are tired of putting in strip after strip of overused Peanuts, Hagar and B.C. comics and want to put in something fresh or something. But since the quoteunquote cartoonist is vanishing and the menga crowds are becoming larger and - most importantly - louder, they've gotta resort to this. Like I said - it can go either way. If it's well written, who gives a damn? It could be done entirely in pointilism and I wouldn't care.
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:54 am
They can print any genre or style they want in a newspaper, but it's not going to do anything to increase sales to comic readers unless they:
a) dedicate more pages to comics. Comic readers aren't going to buy a whole newspaper for 2-4 pages worth of comics.
b) print comics larger than postage stamps. Sunday comics used to give an entire page for each comic. Newpaper comics have gotten worse and worse over the years and they've taken up less and less space over the years. This isn't a coincidence. There's not enough room for any kind of comic EXCEPT talking-heads-gag-a-day.
c) stop being ashamed of the fact that there is a comics section. There's little evidence that most newspaper editors think of the comics section as a feature as much as they think of it as a necessary evil.
If newspapers really wanted to use comics to attract new readers they'd treat the comics section with more respect.
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:16 am
Peppy the Pirate They can print any genre or style they want in a newspaper, but it's not going to do anything to increase sales to comic readers unless they: a) dedicate more pages to comics. Comic readers aren't going to buy a whole newspaper for 2-4 pages worth of comics. b) print comics larger than postage stamps. Sunday comics used to give an entire page for each comic. Newpaper comics have gotten worse and worse over the years and they've taken up less and less space over the years. This isn't a coincidence. There's not enough room for any kind of comic EXCEPT talking-heads-gag-a-day. c) stop being ashamed of the fact that there is a comics section. There's little evidence that most newspaper editors think of the comics section as a feature as much as they think of it as a necessary evil. If newspapers really wanted to use comics to attract new readers they'd treat the comics section with more respect. Which is one of the reasons I posted the article: Not because it's "Manga" comics, but as evidence and as something to discuss and talk about (Which might not be much, but still has developed some nice commentary)
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:58 am
It would be nice to bring back proper comics pages back to newspapers; hells, Will Eisner's The Spirit started off in the Sunday paper after all, where they'd have 3 pages or so worth of comic.
This "manga" thing? Too bad Peach Fuzz is utter rubbish. And call them COMICS for ******** sake, the very word "manga" gets my goat these days.
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:57 am
magnumT It would be nice to bring back proper comics pages back to newspapers; hells, Will Eisner's The Spirit started off in the Sunday paper after all, where they'd have 3 pages or so worth of comic. This "manga" thing? Too bad Peach Fuzz is utter rubbish. And call them COMICS for ******** sake, the very word "manga" gets my goat these days. I call then Manga-Style comics just for simplicity. Manga means Comics... So Comics is the right temr to use.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:00 am
Obviously there are a few things that are important to note here:
1) Newspapers are trying to get people to read, albeit using comics.
2) This assumes that the younger generation relies on things other than the newspaper for news
3) The younger generation relies on anything but newspapers to get current events.
4) Newspapers think they are still an unbiased source of information
Honestly, I am a little torn since I grew up reading New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and the like. I grew up reading newspapers, but since then I've abandoned reading them, aside from passing fancy, since I can rarely ever find anything that amounts to objective journalism in them. Granted, I can't find this on the internet either, but at least with the internet, I can just surf over to a rival paper and see something a little different, or at least SKEWED differently.
I honestly think that if people are going to go back to newspapers, newspapers are going to have to shake the stigma of being wastes of times because they are spin-doctoring rags with no objective information in them - and I don't see that happening anytime soon. Everyone has an agenda, and editors are no different, though they have a much larger pulpit from which to scream their world view.
As for calling this s**t manga. Whatever. You can package up s**t in tissue and perfume, but it's still s**t. Japan isn't a ******** wonderland where every comic is golden. For every Ashita no Joe, you get a hundred Peach Fuzz equivalents, and I'm not saying that in a flattering manner. You get just as much s**t per comic gold as you do here, only people here like to delude themselves about it. and don't even get started on the whole Tokyopop OEL s**t. Steady Beat? More like Asstastic Beat. A dead monkey's a** could write a more original storyline. Revolutionizing comics? ******** that "Rivkah." Try to learn how to write better, and while you're at it, do some actual ******** research on what objects in the everyday look like. Fantastic images are fine as long as they are grounded in REALITY. Drawing a typical shoujo harpfest is only worth it if you're connecting to people and right now, the book connects at most with the fatass ******** emo teens that think that life should run like a goddamn dating sim.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:04 pm
In response to Gamera's post: yes. It's really difficult to tell what's happening in the news sometimes because governments are known to silence the news. History is written and rewritten by the dominant I guess. People need to trust the news more, and trust the government more. It's a travesty that's even reached the shores of my country. Voter Apathy levels are higher than normal this time around thanks to our Prime Minister being a bit of an o'toole and the other political parties either being run by creeps or being not all that dependable. Le Sigh.
Call the pictures-with-words-and-actions what you like. Their shape won't change if you call them by a certain name.
And what's this business about revolutionizing comics? Gameraman, I know you mentioned it for maybe a sentence fragment but it's stuck in my mind. Personal pet peeve, y'see, as people don't seem to realize that revolutions don't exist outside of politically-based nonsense. Comics don't need revolutions, innovations, saviours, hierarchies, or necessarily anything "new and fresh." They just need to be good. Or at least entertaining. I've never heard of this Rivkah person or persons, nor have I read this "Steady Beat", but if they think they're revolutionizing comics then I laugh, hard and long, because, to me, comic book revolutions don't exist. Or rather, there is not a demand for them.
On that note, you should ALL READ SHARKNIFE.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:40 am
Has there ever been an 'objective' news source anyway? Even in a theoretical country that's completely free, editors would still have their own biases on how their news source should be. This obviously applies to the internet and the news-blogs that pop up every so often (although some of these pride themselves in their bias, seeing themselves as the torch-bearers for New Journalism over the 'net). GAMERA009 Steady Beat? More like Asstastic Beat. A dead monkey's a** could write a more original storyline. Revolutionizing comics? ******** that "Rivkah." Try to learn how to write better, and while you're at it, do some actual ******** research on what objects in the everyday look like. That reminds of the fuss over Rikvah's latest because, of... I dunno. The whole thing's so damn forgettable, to think that even Warren "pretentious b*****d" Ellis got all hot under the collar because of it. And that Rikvah joined his forum.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 1:21 am
Who's Rivkah/Rikvah?
In other news, I still think that "Peach Fuzz" isn't exactly the best name to attach to a comic which features young girls as the main characters . . . hilariously inappropriate maybe . . .
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:26 pm
Rivkah is a pretentious whore who calls Warren Ellis "Uncle Warren" ins some kind of crazy sycophantic upsurge in cockmongering. Why? I have no idea, but she's entirely forgettable outside of the fact she's managed to alienate Oni Press and possibly a good chunk of Marvel and DC comics.
How? She said Oni was pretentious indie s**t that wasn't really worth publishing and had forgettable titles. She said that comics from Japan are godly and that the staple monoliths from Marvel and DC were horrible, even though she admits she's never really read Spiderman or Superman.
Tokyopop was walking around the SPX apologizing to all the indie editors she insulted inadvertantly. Hilarity!
Honestly, there is no "revolution' in comics. And I agree with the statement there is simply good stuff and bad stuff - but I think there certainly can be a mention of fairly memorable or innovative storytelling. A lot of people like to say that Sharknife is some new explosion of hyper and awesome, but honestly it's old hat.
Hirohiko Aaraki came out with a far superior story, with the same kind of insane action, sassy posing, and ridiculous dialogue way back when with JoJo (particularly the second and third story arcs). And he did it with much more intelligible art, even if it was ridiculous. Whoever toned Sharknife was insane because they could look at Corey "ReyRey" Lewis's lines and actually tell what was going on.
Honestly, there is a lot of be said about authors of comics nowdays and the people trying to supplant them. The entire industry breeds assholes, as far as I can tell, and in some kind of incestuous relationship, it feeds on itself and relies on the few people who are really "outside the box" to bring new breath to stories and art.
Especially since, you know, if you're not "in" already or have a way 'in" then you're really not going to get "in" unless you're supremely talented/lucky.
Particularly if luck is one of your many talents.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:46 pm
GAMERA009 Rivkah is a pretentious whore who calls Warren Ellis "Uncle Warren" ins some kind of crazy sycophantic upsurge in cockmongering. Why? I have no idea, but she's entirely forgettable outside of the fact she's managed to alienate Oni Press and possibly a good chunk of Marvel and DC comics. How? She said Oni was pretentious indie s**t that wasn't really worth publishing and had forgettable titles. She said that comics from Japan are godly and that the staple monoliths from Marvel and DC were horrible, even though she admits she's never really read Spiderman or Superman. Tokyopop was walking around the SPX apologizing to all the indie editors she insulted inadvertantly. Hilarity! So...she's basically a fangirl with a powertrip now that she's published? Oh dear. She has much to learn about The Biz and its rules of engagement. GAMERA009 Honestly, there is no "revolution' in comics. And I agree with the statement there is simply good stuff and bad stuff - but I think there certainly can be a mention of fairly memorable or innovative storytelling. A lot of people like to say that Sharknife is some new explosion of hyper and awesome, but honestly it's old hat. Hirohiko Aaraki came out with a far superior story, with the same kind of insane action, sassy posing, and ridiculous dialogue way back when with JoJo (particularly the second and third story arcs). And he did it with much more intelligible art, even if it was ridiculous. Whoever toned Sharknife was insane because they could look at Corey "ReyRey" Lewis's lines and actually tell what was going on. I'mma have to debate that, as I have, in fact, read Jojo's Bizarre adventure and seen the "a-mi-ne" as the kids call it. In defence of Sharknife, part of the appeal behind it is probably the ridiculous style is presents. It's almost like someone took graffiti art and made a comic, splicing in non-existant slang and stupidfresh fight scenes. When you compare this to a lot of other manga-styled North American comics it stands alone with its complete lack of angst and "fweee kawaii ^_^" dialogue as well as the fact that ReyRey simply don't give a ********. Which is very apparent in Sharknife, and can be interpreted either way. This is not necessarily to say that Jojo's is bad, however, as it is wonderfully crazy in itself. The Stands are beautiful and even though the characters all look like fusions between Kenshiro and gay strippers they are still very memorable. It's just that we have to compare it to other shounen series to see how it stacks up. The series itself is distinct from other Shounen Jump stories because the characters are, for one, not attractive teenagers with personal problems, because the powers stand out from other shounen series that were released at that time and, of course, the level of violence. Overall, though, a comparison between Sharknife and Jojo's is almost like trying to compare a calico cat to a mountain lion. Both are the same species of animal, with similar physical characteristics, but in nature they are completely different from each other. Plus, there's the issue of preference: ask yourself which one you'd want in your house to show off to your friends and neighbours. GAMERA009 Honestly, there is a lot of be said about authors of comics nowdays and the people trying to supplant them. The entire industry breeds assholes, as far as I can tell, and in some kind of incestuous relationship, it feeds on itself and relies on the few people who are really "outside the box" to bring new breath to stories and art. Especially since, you know, if you're not "in" already or have a way 'in" then you're really not going to get "in" unless you're supremely talented/lucky. Particularly if luck is one of your many talents. The more I hear about the comic book industry, the more I ask myself whether or not I actually have a chance as getting in as a writer and surviving. It's rather discouraging when I hear about accounts such as these, as well as all of the rivalries and struggles to get to the top or at least hold your ground. Which is understandable. It's a competitive field. The strong survive. I just wonder what goes through the heads of people when they openly berate the creators of rival comics like Rivkah or even Doug Tennapel when he calls out against non-Christian-non-American people in general. Does their success actually get to their heads and make them crazier, or were they always this batshit loco? Plus how "outside the box" does one have to be in order to be respected? Not every comic artist/writer can create the next Watchmen, or be another Grant Morisson. Clearly the audience must understand that when new stuff comes out. (at least I hope so), and there must be some writers and artists out there that know that too. As for the industry breeding assholes, well, every media type does that no? There's a lot to compete against, and a lot to get involved in. How else do you make yourself known to people when your stuff is not a best-seller or necessarily seen as "original"? *shrug*
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:21 pm
It may not be the proper approach, but I usually try to ignore most of that crap and just read the comics that I enjoy reading. Whether or not any of them are actually "good" or "outside the box" or whatever doesn't really affect the fact that they are an entertaining enough way to pass the time during lunch at work (which is when I read all of my comics).
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