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Millefune
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:04 pm


Matthew Yi, San Francisco Chronicle
President Obama today will announce a national standard for tailpipe emissions patterned after California's pending rule requiring automakers to build more fuel-sipping vehicles and make drastic cuts in greenhouse gases, a senior administration official said Monday.

The federal standard would be less stringent than California's regulation, which awaits a waiver from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, but it could have a larger impact in fighting global warming by involving all 50 states, the official said.

Obama's plan is a compromise that includes the support of automakers who have fought California's request for a waiver, arguing for a nationwide fuel-efficiency standard rather than what they've billed as a patchwork of state rules.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is scheduled to be with Obama today when he makes the announcement, applauded the president.

"California's relentless push for greenhouse gas reductions from automobiles is paying off not just for our state," he said, "but for all Americans, for our environment, for automakers and our economy."

The federal standard, expected to face a months-long federal rule-making process, would require automakers to increase fuel efficiency beginning with the 2012 model year. Automakers' fleets would have to average 39 mpg and light trucks and SUVs would be required to reach 30 mpg by 2016 - four years faster than federal law now requires.

Current federal standards require 27.5 mpg for cars and 22.3 mpg for SUVs and light trucks.

The regulation would reduce nationwide oil consumption by 1.8 billion barrels while cutting carbon dioxide emissions by the equivalent of taking 177 million cars off the road or closing about 190 coal-fired power plants, the White House official said on condition of anonymity.

"What this means is that there's going to be more choices on cleaner vehicles (for consumers)," the official said.

Automakers are expected to support the president's plan.

"For seven long years, there has been a debate over whether states or the federal government should regulate autos," said Dave McCurdy, president and CEO of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. "President Obama's announcement ends that old debate by starting federal rule-making to set a national program."

For California, with its landmark legislation signed by Schwarzenegger in 2006, the move is a huge step toward reaching its goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent by 2020.


This is bullshit. 39 MPG for cars, and 30 MPG for trucks is insane. Why can't the government understand that we should be given a choice in what we want to buy. Not all of us want wheezy as ******** boring cars. This is really looking like the final Golden Age for cars and trucks.

The worst part, is none of this is going to help. The meat industry is already farting out more greenhouse gas than all the automobiles in the nation put together. And every time we could make a dent in the greenhouse battle, ******** China fires up another coal power plant that undoes any impact and adds even more. China truly is the scourge of all things decent.
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:17 pm


Now I don't want to sound like a environmentalist, but I think this is a good idea. As we can see, we are getting better gas mileage from V6's today then what four cylinders use to get 20-30 years ago. Just because it gets better gas mileage doesn't always mean it has to be slower. I believe automakers can make this happen while still maintaining performance.

Now when it comes to China not helping out the situation, maybe just maybe their should be some kind of law or something put against them. I don't know who would do this (maybe the United Nations, I don't know), but I do think it would be better for countries that are contradicting the effort made by other places in the world to be taken care of first. But we do have to keep in mind that majority of what people use is made in China so I don't know what effect of them having to slow down on global warming would do to the rest of the world as far as them producing common supplies used by billions of people.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:58 am


Please note that even in the Bush era, meetings were held in China that focused on the reduction of emissions. China has said that they want the same environmental "freedoms" that the US and UK had when they ere developing, but the world has changed since then(during those times, no-one knew or cared what they were doing to the environment) However, Obama is picking up the slack and pushing further into the issue. I think its good that the US is finally starting to walk the walk of the "world watchdog," and leading by example rather than military force.

This won't sit well with the old-school V8-heads, but it does show us that the days of Group B rallying and the turbo-era of F1 were actually steps in the right direction where automotive technology is concerned. Tiny engines, monstrous power(the old F1 engines were making equivalent power of the DRAGSTERS of the day and being run for far, far longer) from engineering alone.

This is the way of the future, I think. And I like this arena very much. The day of the pushrod may be over but the day of the high-efficiency, all-alloy V8 are coming soon.
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:04 am


Quakes21
Now I don't want to sound like a environmentalist, but I think this is a good idea. As we can see, we are getting better gas mileage from V6's today then what four cylinders use to get 20-30 years ago. Just because it gets better gas mileage doesn't always mean it has to be slower. I believe automakers can make this happen while still maintaining performance.

Now when it comes to China not helping out the situation, maybe just maybe their should be some kind of law or something put against them. I don't know who would do this (maybe the United Nations, I don't know), but I do think it would be better for countries that are contradicting the effort made by other places in the world to be taken care of first. But we do have to keep in mind that majority of what people use is made in China so I don't know what effect of them having to slow down on global warming would do to the rest of the world as far as them producing common supplies used by billions of people.


Actually, if the UN members and Kyoto signatories standardize emissions standards at the production line and bring in emissions trading, then hook it up to the auto pricing structure China will be king hit: its vehicles will jump in price and that would take away their biggest marketing point. At that stage, China will either need to step up to international standards, get left behind, slap heavy tarrifs on imports to China itself in retaliation(that would do absolutely nothing to the established auto trading network since they are still small fry) or they can try the same closed-door policy when it comes to their own people(drive their own auto industry, with their own state-owned vehicle firms)

OR, they can self-destruct. Growth projections brought up in The Age(Ozzie newspaper) have it that China's growth is at unsustainable levels. There's still ways and means to hurt them badly and MAKE them conform to global regulations.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:17 am


As long as it "grandfathers" cars built before the legislation, I guess I won't start any riots. However I hate seeing any of cali's laws gaining momentum!
PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 3:27 am


I was at a Dutch bro's coffee shop drive through. when I saw a late 60's Camero in front of the line. it was a blown BBC with a "bird catcher" high rise intake, really sick lumpy idle. it had a custom "clean air / enviromental" license plate that read "FEW MPG"! xd
It's been the funniest thing I've seen all month. rofl

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 4:56 am


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As long as it "grandfathers" cars built before the legislation, I guess I won't start any riots. However I hate seeing any of cali's laws gaining momentum!


Doesn't fuss me actually. The more MPG I get the happier I am; I can finally tow all the way to Winton and back in one tank, and make it to Wakefield Park without stopping. 3nodding
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:11 pm


I don't mind having a fuel efficient daily driver. I know the EPA finally changed the way it estimates fuel economy not long ago, but compact car estimates seem--to me, at least--a bit low compared to what it seems they possibly could be with current technology and current gas prices.

I do think exceptions ought to be made for two-door vehicles. I think enforcing more stringent standards on four-door vehicles and trucks would be effective while allowing leniency to low-volume purpose-built vehicles. Perhaps such vehicles that are not used for work/commercial purposes could be taxed to provide revenue to help offset their environmental costs.

I am concerned about the environment, but I don't quite buy into Al Gore's "truth" as he hops about from place to place in his gas-spewing Lear jet to lobby for people to invest in his gas emission trading scheme.

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Millefune
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:22 am


I agree completely, which is why I'm kinda glad it's a Corporate AVERAGE Fuel Economy policy. That way, they can make fuel efficient cars for everyday people, to offset the gas guzzling awesomeness of a powerful sports car. I honestly think that Jennifer puts out less pollutants than a Prius/Insight, or whatever the ******** high mileage sub-compact cars are popular, because I driver her less than once a week!
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:46 pm


This is interesting, because I think we're going to start seeing less sports cars over all. Companies that have multiple sports cars, or 'sporty cars' might consolidate and make one sports car only, because they need to meet the corporate average. I wonder how the companies will cope and which cars we'll be sad to see die off.

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