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| So, how did you feel about the judging for the final round of Talos? |
| It was fair! : D |
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| It was a little bias. D: |
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| It was awful. D: < |
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| It was some of the best judging I've read! 8 D |
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| Wait, so Karl is human now? -dies- |
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| I'll just post my thoughts~ |
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| Total Votes : 8 |
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 Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:38 am
And the winner of Talos is BlackLillian and her characters Annie and the Professor! Everybody who has a Deviantart go and give her a massive hug! 8D (And give Unknown a hug because he/she did an epic job as well!)
So! Do any of you have thoughts on the subject/judging? Post them up here! : D
My thoughts? Well, I thought that the judging was very fair, and that Lillian deserved this win. Her entry really focused on Talos and the characters themselves. As one of the judges commented "She made Talos her own~"
However, I didn't really like how one of the judges stated that Unknown's entry was "TOO epic." and "The Professor quoting The Raven was so predictable." I could really see what points they were trying to convey but... those aren't very grounded statements if you ask me.
Aside from that, I thought that the majority of the judges gave both entries a fair and honest review~ Which was rather refreshing (considering that we had been waiting for at least a month)
So congratulations Lillian~! And congratulations Unknown for making it this far!
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:12 am
I..wow.
Pesonally, I really really wanted Unknown to win. I love Karl, the story Unknown wove for us and the beauty of his style.
However, the judges thought otherwise.
Don't get me wrong, I read BlackLillain's entry (and every other entry/se from each competitor), and it was very well done, and her victory was well earned.
I didn't like the fact that not a single judge voted for Unknown! I know they have their points, but it was still a slap in the face to see that 1) Unknown hadn't won and 2) not 1 judge said that Unknown won for them. I agree with WonderingClarice about the judge who said Unknown was "too epic" and "predictable". We all know Unknown is epic, over half his fans' comments use that word to describe his art (if you think otherwise that's fine-I'm not trying to put words in your mouth), and its what we've come to love about his works. Saying something is too epic and making it sound like a bad thing isn't the best thing to tell an artist.
Overall though, the judges made fair decisions and chose BlackLillian.
As for the future of Karl...well, we'll just have to see what Unknown has in store wink
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:05 pm
I had been hoping for quite some time that Lil would win, and I was thrilled beyond coherency when the seemingly impossible happened. I must admit that part of this hope was born of a selfish desire to see the great Unknown-person's winning streak finally halted- not by fighting him and Karl on his own animated turf- but by using the greatest attributes that sequential art can offer. By winning, Lillian has proved, beyond the faintest doubt, that the comics art form is just as effective as the medium of animation in conveying story, character and emotion.
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:12 pm
I'm gonna put up a simple thought cause i'm tired and a little P.O'ed
....the judges were biased.
Goodnight.
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:44 pm
I personally was hoping for Unknown-Person to win. . .
But I think it's entirely fair that Black-Lillian won. . . I mean, the way she told the story was extremely thought-provoking and original-- not to mention she had a beautiful art style and wonderful characters.
. . . And hey, at least Karl's not smashed into little bits! sweatdrop I'm incredibly curious to see how Unknown-Person takes this little twist with his/her character.
I think some of comments about him were a bit unfair, though. Such as how his entries were 'erratic' and how they 'didn't like some of the voices'. . ? I thought that was a little dumb.
But all-in-all, I think Black-Lillian deserves props for her wonderful work. . as does Unknown. :3
OMG, KARL'S A HUMAN NAO. eek
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 9:48 pm
Karl and Arma I'm gonna put up a simple thought cause i'm tired and a little P.O'ed ....the judges were biased. Goodnight.
I'm sure Unknown won't forget Karl anytime soon, though. . . heck, he might even enter Karl in another OCT someday.
But. . . looking on the bright side-- at least Karl's not smashed into bits!! sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 2:03 pm
HagaRen016 Karl and Arma I'm gonna put up a simple thought cause i'm tired and a little P.O'ed ....the judges were biased. Goodnight.
I'm sure Unknown won't forget Karl anytime soon, though. . . heck, he might even enter Karl in another OCT someday.
But. . . looking on the bright side-- at least Karl's not smashed into bits!! sweatdrop I just hope he doesn't take BL's ending. Karl as a human....ick.
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:51 pm
Since the LoT storyline is post-Castle of Nations, Karl's surprising fate is not as hard a blow as it could have been, by any means. And I think that a lot of Unknown-person's fans are underestimating his/her creativity; this could be taken as an intriguing opportunity to push Karl's (and possibly Climber's) story in a new direction. Besides, I figure if Unknown really wishes to have Karl restored to his former resin self, then he/she will make it happen. It's not impossible.
And if Unknown had truly planned to kill off Karl all along, well.... it's no real loss, except maybe to the fangirls. In my admittedly limited experience, when you enter a character into a tournament, you have to be prepared for the very worst to happen to your creation. Your characters, in the hands of others, may lose their possessions, their sanity, their lives, and even fundamental aspects of their personalities.
You don't have to look far to see it, either: Zeurel's Black Ace has slaughtered two opponents so far in Escape from Nevara (Brother was the first casualty, and the second one has not been judged yet), and ConcentrationMoon's entries are almost always open mockeries that often leave his opponents scrambling to find some way to explain why their characters were acting so completely unlike themselves.
That is the risk that everyone must take, and Unknown took it, as did Lillian. They both knew what they were getting into, and now the ending must be accepted, just as the other contestants had to accept their own defeats and move on. Don't worry about Unknown. Unknown can handle anything thrown his/her way. Even if what was once a walking, talking statue is now confined to a body of flesh and blood.
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 6:21 pm
Mangakawa Since the LoT storyline is post- Castle of Nations, Karl's surprising fate is not as hard a blow as it could have been, by any means. And I think that a lot of Unknown-person's fans are underestimating his/her creativity; this could be taken as an intriguing opportunity to push Karl's (and possibly Climber's) story in a new direction. Besides, I figure if Unknown really wishes to have Karl restored to his former resin self, then he/she will make it happen. It's not impossible. And if Unknown had truly planned to kill off Karl all along, well.... it's no real loss, except maybe to the fangirls. In my admittedly limited experience, when you enter a character into a tournament, you have to be prepared for the very worst to happen to your creation. Your characters, in the hands of others, may lose their possessions, their sanity, their lives, and even fundamental aspects of their personalities. You don't have to look far to see it, either: Zeurel's Black Ace has slaughtered two opponents so far in Escape from Nevara (Brother was the first casualty, and the second one has not been judged yet), and ConcentrationMoon's entries are almost always open mockeries that often leave his opponents scrambling to find some way to explain why their characters were acting so completely unlike themselves. That is the risk that everyone must take, and Unknown took it, as did Lillian. They both knew what they were getting into, and now the ending must be accepted, just as the other contestants had to accept their own defeats and move on. Don't worry about Unknown. Unknown can handle anything thrown his/her way. Even if what was once a walking, talking statue is now confined to a body of flesh and blood.
That's just about the gist of what I was thinking, too. . . besides, I think Karl being made human may be, eh, 'interesting'. x3
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:26 pm
Mangakawa Since the LoT storyline is post- Castle of Nations, Karl's surprising fate is not as hard a blow as it could have been, by any means. And I think that a lot of Unknown-person's fans are underestimating his/her creativity; this could be taken as an intriguing opportunity to push Karl's (and possibly Climber's) story in a new direction. Besides, I figure if Unknown really wishes to have Karl restored to his former resin self, then he/she will make it happen. It's not impossible. And if Unknown had truly planned to kill off Karl all along, well.... it's no real loss, except maybe to the fangirls. In my admittedly limited experience, when you enter a character into a tournament, you have to be prepared for the very worst to happen to your creation. Your characters, in the hands of others, may lose their possessions, their sanity, their lives, and even fundamental aspects of their personalities. You don't have to look far to see it, either: Zeurel's Black Ace has slaughtered two opponents so far in Escape from Nevara (Brother was the first casualty, and the second one has not been judged yet), and ConcentrationMoon's entries are almost always open mockeries that often leave his opponents scrambling to find some way to explain why their characters were acting so completely unlike themselves. That is the risk that everyone must take, and Unknown took it, as did Lillian. They both knew what they were getting into, and now the ending must be accepted, just as the other contestants had to accept their own defeats and move on. Don't worry about Unknown. Unknown can handle anything thrown his/her way. Even if what was once a walking, talking statue is now confined to a body of flesh and blood. Or they can just make their entries NON-CANON. They don't have to follow their opponent's ending, nor do they have to explain why their character's acted the way they did in their opponent's entries. Unless their character is focused only on OCT's like i'm assuming Chimbley is.
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 6:06 pm
~I believe the results were totally and undeniably bias.
I have had this discussion with so many people so far, so I will try to keep this short and point out a few just a few things why I believed unknown's to be a truly better performance, and why BlackLil's entry just seemed poor to me.
Now, don't get me wrong-- And BlackLil fans, do NOT get defensive-- I do know that both contestants worked hard in the tourney and gave it their all; I just believe Unknown's entry to be better.
Alright. On to it.
arrow To begin with, Blacklil had a very poor portrayal of the characters other than her own. That, to me, is one of the very most important things that should be judged in an OCT. The incorrect character portrayal of Karl and Mizuno stood out most to me. It was seeming like she had set the personalities to help her own predetermined story out.
arrow Secondly, her plot seemed to have a lot of holes in it. To start with, Karl comes out of nowhere and "kills his wife". It was very abrupt, with little explanation whatsoever; Not to mention the way the situation was handled. Karl ended up shot. In the head. AH. But still alive, yes? But what do they do? Just leave him. Yes. Just leave with a body.
arrow Next, [[Which, I am not really going to complain much about this one, but I have heard a lot of complaints on it ]] is what the judges defined as "Closure" . BlackLil's oh so ever predictable "Disney Land" ending.
What I like about Unknown's entries is that he does the unpredictable and keeps you coming back for more. He let's you in on not only his characters, but as well as some of his opponents without ripping them apart all in one astounding performance. Not to mention in his finally he does something new, and different than any other would. He gives the entry somewhat closure, but leaves room to make it a cliff hanger ending; It's what seems truly artistic in my mind. No matter who you wanted to win, a majority of the Talos Fans out there would like to see more of unknown's work, as well as an epilogue to his last entry. Honestly, no matter who you were a fan of, did you?
Regardless, both entries gave it their all, and we could pick and prod at the flaws of both entries all night, or week long. I was happy to see the artistic quality both entries gave out though. Both were entertaining and I congratulate both competitors for giving us such a show~
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:21 pm
Fortunas Violin arrow To begin with, Blacklil had a very poor portrayal of the characters other than her own. That, to me, is one of the very most important things that should be judged in an OCT. The incorrect character portrayal of Karl and Mizuno stood out most to me. It was seeming like she had set the personalities to help her own predetermined story out. arrow Secondly, her plot seemed to have a lot of holes in it. To start with, Karl comes out of nowhere and "kills his wife". It was very abrupt, with little explanation whatsoever; Not to mention the way the situation was handled. Karl ended up shot. In the head. AH. But still alive, yes? But what do they do? Just leave him. Yes. Just leave with a body.
Yeah, I'd have to agree with this.
I really enjoyed Black-Lillian's entries, but in the Final Round, these points REALLY bugged me.
I just thought she focused a bit too much on her characters' story, and Taitle's. .
But since you already pretty much said it, I won't go into rants.
I do kinda' like the whole Karl Human thing, though. . and I'm really looking forward to how Unknown interprets that. .
That is, if he/she ever gets back. '=_=
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