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Le Pere Duchesne
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Beloved Prophet

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:51 pm
I have an organic revolutionary connection going all the way back to the Jacobin Club.

What exactly do I mean? Well...
After the second inter-imperialist war, Nazis in East Germany were shot, and stalinists and working class militants were given administrative positions.
In the West however, the Nazi bureaucrats were reinstated. After all, the war was against German Imperialism, not fascism.

So the rulers of Germany today, are organically connected with Nazi Germany, and the Empire before it.

But that is the organic connection within a capitalist state.

What is my organic connection with the French Revolution?
I will lay it out below. In each case there is both a very clear ideological connection, and a personal one.

Jacobin Club (Robespierre, Saint-Just... w00t!)
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Conspiracy of Equals (made up of left Jacobins, among others)
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Bounarotti (surviving member of the Conspiracy, close associate of Robespierre)
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League of Exiles (German section of the Masonic Lodge Bounarroti founded in Paris)
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League of the Just, renamed: Communist League (Split from the Exiles, which died not long after. Renamed after ME joined)
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Marx, Engels. (No ******** dur. You really think I should explain this?)
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1st international (Organised by ME to gather working class organisations. Killed by the Bakuninists after the Commune)
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2nd International (Heavy intervention by Engels. Killed through internal rot on 4-8-1914)
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Emancipation of Labour Group (built by Plekhanov during his decent days)
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RSDRP (which grew out of it)
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RSDRP(B) (look... some things are just obvious...)
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Left Opposition (Trotsky's grouping within the SU and Comintern)
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4th International
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And then... Well, I am sure you can guess. =P

So the question is this:
Where does yours differ from mine?  
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:09 pm
Marx and Engels:

1st International

2nd International

Russian Marxists:

RSDRP

Bolsheviks

Right Opposition (though i am more fond of the international working class movement represented by the Left, I feel it was important for the party to fight capitalist restoration in order to better secure the international fight)

After that i don't lean one way or the other. Titoism i suppose, im still reading up on things  

Intermundia


Director Mann

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:19 pm
I like how Gracchvs just tried his goddamn hardest to find a way to make his supposed ideology come off as the successors in a long line starting from the Jacobins.


Edit: To comply with the the circle-jerk that I sense in here my politics derive from whoever the hell I feel like. French Revolution, the Communards, Marx/Engels, 2nd Internationale, 3rd Internationale, Syndicalists, Council Communists, whoever the hell else.  
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:13 pm
Comrade Mann
I like how Gracchvs just tried his goddamn hardest to find a way to make his supposed ideology come off as the successors in a long line starting from the Jacobins.


No. It is a concept called Revolutionary Continuity.
Usually it just refers to the continuity of revolutionary thought. However, one time when reading some s**t on Bounarroti, I noticed an organisational connection between Marxism and the Jacobins.

I noted this in a post in the Pravda forum way back in 2006. In fact, I was expecting your snark to reference that and complain about me bringing it up again...

But this rejection goes hand in hand with your seething distaste for everything I do.  

Le Pere Duchesne
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Herobane

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:01 pm
I like that theory.

I highly doubt that it was intentional, more likely the groups just looking for a new revolution each time, but still. Cool beans. biggrin  
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