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 Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:24 am
i got the new album with the dvd and noticed that they just wore black and no make up, also i kinda noticed the music is less melodic and just more metal...and don't get me wrong it's still great and i still love the band
it seems like they are trying to appeal too much to american audeinces
am i wrong in thinking that
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:13 pm
Dir_en_glay i got the new album with the dvd and noticed that they just wore black and no make up, also i kinda noticed the music is less melodic and just more metal...and don't get me wrong it's still great and i still love the band it seems like they are trying to appeal too much to american audeinces am i wrong in thinking that
It sounds like you're talking about Marrow, in which case, you're two years behind.
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:31 pm
Diru has definitely gone through a lot of changes, but I don't think it's our job to judge their motives.
Music is music, man.
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:47 pm
I think both are equally good
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:12 am
I think they're losing sight of why they became musicians in the first place.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:19 pm
I love their new sound, but, like I've heard many other fans say, I kinda wish they had kept more of their old styles.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:46 am
daidaikiiro I think they're losing sight of why they became musicians in the first place. I think that they are far more in touch with what they became musicians for the sorrow and despair of everyday life is much more prominent in there new music and is not distracted by makeup and gimmicks. They have said in interviews on about there visual kei days and have said it was a way to be seen and out there it was never really them. The whole americanising thing is stupid fans are getting upset because they think they are special for liking a japanese band and now the music * MOAB * sounded more western they all threw a tantrum! uroboros is full of indian sounds nobody seems bothered for that! Music is subject to inspiration and when MOAB came out they were touring america alott its no surprise to me it sounds western. Diru change their sound every albumn and nearly every track is different its always been that way. They are closer to their message than ever before this is what they are happier doing their words not mine so saying they lost the reason they became musicians is really stupid thing to say. They intense to express the sorrow and pain with all of their bodies intending to do it for them and only them unmoved by anybody else and i feel they are doing that better than ever. If they wanted to please a massive chunk of their fans they'd be back in makeup and visual garb in a second they have taken a beating for being dressed normal and playing more metal sounding music and I say good for them !! I love all their music long live diru <3
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:03 am
Yeah, they're totally trying to appeal to foreign audiences, for the worse if you ask me. You can see this in the transition after Vulgar when their music and makeup became more boring and monotonous like other popular foreign bands. At that same time they also began their venture into touring abroad, and I think it is no coincidence. Any new music I've heard of theirs is mediocre at best, and I don't think so many people have raised this issue for no reason.
I also really don't like how Kyo once addressed this issue by saying something along the lines of: if our old fans don't like the new stuff they should just stop coming to the lives. What a disrespectful way to treat the people whose support got them where they are today. neutral
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:47 pm
I became a Diru fan because of their old music. Their new music hasn't changed that, but I listen to their old stuff more. But think about it: they've been around for ten-eleven years. People change, styles change, likes change. I can't say I blame them for growing and changing as musicians.
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:04 am
namida_no_chi Yeah, they're totally trying to appeal to foreign audiences, for the worse if you ask me. You can see this in the transition after Vulgar when their music and makeup became more boring and monotonous like other popular foreign bands. At that same time they also began their venture into touring abroad, and I think it is no coincidence. Any new music I've heard of theirs is mediocre at best, and I don't think so many people have raised this issue for no reason. I also really don't like how Kyo once addressed this issue by saying something along the lines of: if our old fans don't like the new stuff they should just stop coming to the lives. What a disrespectful way to treat the people whose support got them where they are today. neutral
Secondly, this thing about the guys changing their style to suit western audiences is total bullshit, I love how it's used as a crutch. At the very best, people can call that off on the Marrow fo a Bone album, and it doesn't work very well considering a bulk of the album was written while they were on tour. In America. Around Americans. And American bands.
People seem to love conveniently forgetting how this band has always stuck to one particular motto. That they won't make the same album twice. They're constantly evolving, and so with it does their music. They knew and have stated that the purpose of Visual Kei was to shock and attract through visuals, to be noticed because you're either crossdressing or look like a retarded rainbow. They started to hate that aspect in themselves, and they've shed it. They've grown up, unlike say Kisaki and Mana. The men are in their thirties now, for Christ's Sake. You don't like their new songs, don't go to their lives. Don't like the fact that they dress like normal people, go drool over Bou some more.
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:15 pm
The Lady Eros namida_no_chi Yeah, they're totally trying to appeal to foreign audiences, for the worse if you ask me. You can see this in the transition after Vulgar when their music and makeup became more boring and monotonous like other popular foreign bands. At that same time they also began their venture into touring abroad, and I think it is no coincidence. Any new music I've heard of theirs is mediocre at best, and I don't think so many people have raised this issue for no reason. I also really don't like how Kyo once addressed this issue by saying something along the lines of: if our old fans don't like the new stuff they should just stop coming to the lives. What a disrespectful way to treat the people whose support got them where they are today. neutral
Secondly, this thing about the guys changing their style to suit western audiences is total bullshit, I love how it's used as a crutch. At the very best, people can call that off on the Marrow fo a Bone album, and it doesn't work very well considering a bulk of the album was written while they were on tour. In America. Around Americans. And American bands.
People seem to love conveniently forgetting how this band has always stuck to one particular motto. That they won't make the same album twice. They're constantly evolving, and so with it does their music. They knew and have stated that the purpose of Visual Kei was to shock and attract through visuals, to be noticed because you're either crossdressing or look like a retarded rainbow. They started to hate that aspect in themselves, and they've shed it. They've grown up, unlike say Kisaki and Mana. The men are in their thirties now, for Christ's Sake. You don't like their new songs, don't go to their lives. Don't like the fact that they dress like normal people, go drool over Bou some more. You make an awful lot of assumptions: 1) It still doesn't change how it is disrespectful to treat the people who got you where you are in such a way, just because they don't like the new things you've been doing. It seems ungrateful, really. And keep in mind again, that wasn't an exact quotation, it was a long time ago that I saw that interview, so my gist was only along those lines. 2) Eh, no? Their changing to suit western audiences started with Withering to death (which sounded eerily similar to Linkin Park), which was BEFORE any foreign touring. You just assume I meant MOAB, so you can stop that now. smile maybe people use it as a "crutch" because its true? Oh that theory of gravity, people just use it as a crutch in explaining why they shouldn't jump off a building. If they're not trying to appeal to Western audience, why are they touring in western countries? Especially considering they never did the first 7(?) years as a band... 3) no, they're not making the same album of theirs. It sounds like they're making albums new to them, but that other people have already made. My problem, as it seems to be with most people who raise this same issue, is not that they have changed style (so you can stop assuming that, too), but that they've changed style into something that is already trite and predominant in the music scenes of many other places (ie, Europe and the US). 4) I never said I have a problem with their looks (really, I don't care either way, though there were some outfits I liked in the VK era), just that they got more monotonous, which is true if you look at today's look versus Gauze. It is undoubtedly toned down. So you can stop assuming that I do/don't like their look, or have a problem with the way they dress. 5) I have no idea who Bou is. confused sounds like you're projecting.
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:01 pm
namida_no_chi I also really don't like how Kyo once addressed this issue by saying something along the lines of: if our old fans don't like the new stuff they should just stop coming to the lives. What a disrespectful way to treat the people whose support got them where they are today. neutral ... I kind of love Kyo for saying that...
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:08 pm
namida_no_chi Their changing to suit western audiences started with Withering to death (which sounded eerily similar to Linkin Park), which was BEFORE any foreign touring. Yeah, I see how the connection to Linkin Park can be made. Except that they suck, and Diru doesn't. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:54 pm
namida_no_chi You make an awful lot of assumptions: 1) It still doesn't change how it is disrespectful to treat the people who got you where you are in such a way, just because they don't like the new things you've been doing. It seems ungrateful, really. And keep in mind again, that wasn't an exact quotation, it was a long time ago that I saw that interview, so my gist was only along those lines. 2) Eh, no? Their changing to suit western audiences started with Withering to death (which sounded eerily similar to Linkin Park), which was BEFORE any foreign touring. You just assume I meant MOAB, so you can stop that now. smile maybe people use it as a "crutch" because its true? Oh that theory of gravity, people just use it as a crutch in explaining why they shouldn't jump off a building. If they're not trying to appeal to Western audience, why are they touring in western countries? Especially considering they never did the first 7(?) years as a band... 3) no, they're not making the same album of theirs. It sounds like they're making albums new to them, but that other people have already made. My problem, as it seems to be with most people who raise this same issue, is not that they have changed style (so you can stop assuming that, too), but that they've changed style into something that is already trite and predominant in the music scenes of many other places (ie, Europe and the US). 4) I never said I have a problem with their looks (really, I don't care either way, though there were some outfits I liked in the VK era), just that they got more monotonous, which is true if you look at today's look versus Gauze. It is undoubtedly toned down. So you can stop assuming that I do/don't like their look, or have a problem with the way they dress. 5) I have no idea who Bou is. confused sounds like you're projecting.
1) Kyo is not being disrespectful, he is being blunt and honest. Whether or not people think his words were rude isn't really going to change the reality of his statement.
2) By saying 'western audience' I get very, very fuzzy. Music in America doesn't sound the same as mainstream Chinese, Russian, French, German, so on and so on music. So who are they trying to appeal to? Everyone in countries west of Japan? It will take a hell of a lot of albums to do so. And the linking Park reference: did you not know Kaoru is a big LP fan? Perhaps it's them who has influenced him some, just like many bands on the Family Values tour influenced the sound of MOAB.
3) So.. Are you knocking them for producing something that comes out via their own influences? Or because they have simply made something that sounds more mainstream because that's how it happened? I'm not really sure what you're trying to say there. A band is aloud to have influences show in their music, they are allowed to be mainstream if they want.
4) I'll restate the fact that you assume I was making a ton of presumptions about you, because that's really all you stated in this one. The rest is just going "Hello Captain Obvious."
5)A former member of a VK band who's famous for looking like a girl. I've never heard anything about his musical skill, just that he's so cute. It was an example.
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:51 am
The Lady Eros namida_no_chi You make an awful lot of assumptions: 1) It still doesn't change how it is disrespectful to treat the people who got you where you are in such a way, just because they don't like the new things you've been doing. It seems ungrateful, really. And keep in mind again, that wasn't an exact quotation, it was a long time ago that I saw that interview, so my gist was only along those lines. 2) Eh, no? Their changing to suit western audiences started with Withering to death (which sounded eerily similar to Linkin Park), which was BEFORE any foreign touring. You just assume I meant MOAB, so you can stop that now. smile maybe people use it as a "crutch" because its true? Oh that theory of gravity, people just use it as a crutch in explaining why they shouldn't jump off a building. If they're not trying to appeal to Western audience, why are they touring in western countries? Especially considering they never did the first 7(?) years as a band... 3) no, they're not making the same album of theirs. It sounds like they're making albums new to them, but that other people have already made. My problem, as it seems to be with most people who raise this same issue, is not that they have changed style (so you can stop assuming that, too), but that they've changed style into something that is already trite and predominant in the music scenes of many other places (ie, Europe and the US). 4) I never said I have a problem with their looks (really, I don't care either way, though there were some outfits I liked in the VK era), just that they got more monotonous, which is true if you look at today's look versus Gauze. It is undoubtedly toned down. So you can stop assuming that I do/don't like their look, or have a problem with the way they dress. 5) I have no idea who Bou is. confused sounds like you're projecting.
1) Kyo is not being disrespectful, he is being blunt and honest. Whether or not people think his words were rude isn't really going to change the reality of his statement.
2) By saying 'western audience' I get very, very fuzzy. Music in America doesn't sound the same as mainstream Chinese, Russian, French, German, so on and so on music. So who are they trying to appeal to? Everyone in countries west of Japan? It will take a hell of a lot of albums to do so. And the linking Park reference: did you not know Kaoru is a big LP fan? Perhaps it's them who has influenced him some, just like many bands on the Family Values tour influenced the sound of MOAB.
3) So.. Are you knocking them for producing something that comes out via their own influences? Or because they have simply made something that sounds more mainstream because that's how it happened? I'm not really sure what you're trying to say there. A band is aloud to have influences show in their music, they are allowed to be mainstream if they want.
4) I'll restate the fact that you assume I was making a ton of presumptions about you, because that's really all you stated in this one. The rest is just going "Hello Captain Obvious."
5)A former member of a VK band who's famous for looking like a girl. I've never heard anything about his musical skill, just that he's so cute. It was an example.I have to say i agree 100 percent with eros! and this entire idea that they started playing in a more "western sound" to appeal to western audiences can be fired back at people by saying they played in visual clothing to grab the attention of the japanese fanbase. I think that that would be more true than the idea of selling out to western audiences because they were already so popular as a visual band if they wanted to keep the fanbase happy and make money they could have played it safe! Kyo saying that if you dont like the music dont come to the gig is brilliant! good for him he always says stuff like that he also said very early on that fans who stand at the back and dont move annoy him. If you dont like it tuff shizz stop moaning about it and go listen to music you enjoy or are you that bored you feel the need to complain about stuff move on stop complaning and wasting your own time and money its simple.
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