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 Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:46 pm
Steam is from hot water, which would mean you need fire, which would mean you need oxygen or some other gas that'll feed the fire, which means that you'd need fans and gasses, but if you travel higher in elevation the less gas there would be meaning that the higher you go, the harder it would be to feed the fire, meaning that the only way the steam powered ships would fly is if we had a gas supply, but since gas molecules are always moving about and not very dense and compact like a solid object, it would run out very easily, but then we could use actual oil, but then this isn't diesel punk. How then could we have a steam powered flying machine unless the steampunk universe actually used oil? Correct me in any way if i'm wrong or post opinions and facts about this topic that could help support or prove wrong this topic.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:13 pm
Sorry sir but steam WILL actauly run at high altitudes quit easily, in fact many real life high altitude rack and pinion railways in the mountines had to recall steam engines from being scrapped because the newer diesle engines did not like the atmospheric pressure and refused to run. And there are oil burning steam engines but most people would prefure coal as a more authentic fual sorce. In fact I would bet that you should be more worried about your body giving out to oxygen depravation before your engines as the steam engine can run on remarkibly low amounts of oxygen so long as it is constanly being replaced.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:21 am
the jet jaguar, do you forget that petrol engines need oxygen too?
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:08 pm
I believe you're also forgetting our decreasing coal source. Didn't they use coal in steam trains? I see people shovelling it into the fire quite rapidly whenever they're on tv.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:12 am
The problem with petrol was not the oxygen but the lower (or higher, I forget) atmospheric pressure. And a well built steam engine will run on anything that burns, not just coal (there was even an engine designed to run on weeds if I remember correctly). And firemen on T.V. genraly shovel coal at a faster rate for show rather then function, real engines only requiring rapid coal feeds if being pushed to their absolute limits.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:18 pm
Hey guys, Steampunk defies the laws of physics from the very start. It's all pseudoscience and hand-wavium. confused
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:36 am
I guese its something like Star Trek then; BS your way through with enough big words and invented technology and you can make asnything work. rofl Same goes for any fantasy genre, though. wink
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:36 pm
Using a set of optics, you could actually make a steam engine run on light. One of the most iconic images invokes a giant water tower in the desert being heated by dozens of huge mirrors.
If one of you gents can recall WHERE I'm talking about (I think it's in Arizona), that'd be much appriciated.
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:09 am
X-Raziel Hotokashi-X Using a set of optics, you could actually make a steam engine run on light. One of the most iconic images invokes a giant water tower in the desert being heated by dozens of huge mirrors. If one of you gents can recall WHERE I'm talking about (I think it's in Arizona), that'd be much appriciated. Yes I know what your talking about. Don't know where but I do know what. It really does show how versitile the old steam engine is doesn't it?
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:01 am
Xeigrich Hey guys, Steampunk defies the laws of physics from the very start. It's all pseudoscience and hand-wavium. confused Pardon me if I say 'poppycock' - there's nothing pseudosciencey about a good mechano-spider or airship! I like to give my steampunk a fair grounding in reality before I delve into the impossible (*cough* flying city *cough*). But you make a fair point, we needn't dwell on the limitations of materials (many of technology's common failings) and the non-existence of aether (as steampunk knows it).
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:29 pm
Captain Amaranth Xeigrich Hey guys, Steampunk defies the laws of physics from the very start. It's all pseudoscience and hand-wavium. confused Pardon me if I say 'poppycock' - there's nothing pseudosciencey about a good mechano-spider or airship! I like to give my steampunk a fair grounding in reality before I delve into the impossible (*cough* flying city *cough*). But you make a fair point, we needn't dwell on the limitations of materials (many of technology's common failings) and the non-existence of aether (as steampunk knows it). Right. My point was simply that you can't argue over the trivial details of how something that doesn't exist works. I'm not saying that airships and mechanical spiders are unrealistic -- in fact there was a YouTube video I watched once of a mechanical spider vehicle that someone showed off at a Burning Man festival, though I believe it was internal-combustion powered, not steam. And we all know that airships are real, just not necessarily in the same condition and sophistication we might see in a steampunk world (I mean, the propeller and lighter-than-air technology are only capable of so much, as we know them). For me, the more believable and plausible, the better, but there are definitely times when you must turn a blind eye to avoid breaking the illusion (in media terms, I believe they call this "suspension of disbelief" when you forget that something is fictional, or even impossible, while being entertained). I probably shouldn't be putting a damper on everyone's fun though. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:43 pm
XD guess i wasn't thinking aboutthe other possibilities
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:05 am
Xeigrich Captain Amaranth Xeigrich Hey guys, Steampunk defies the laws of physics from the very start. It's all pseudoscience and hand-wavium. confused Pardon me if I say 'poppycock' - there's nothing pseudosciencey about a good mechano-spider or airship! I like to give my steampunk a fair grounding in reality before I delve into the impossible (*cough* flying city *cough*). But you make a fair point, we needn't dwell on the limitations of materials (many of technology's common failings) and the non-existence of aether (as steampunk knows it). Right. My point was simply that you can't argue over the trivial details of how something that doesn't exist works. I'm not saying that airships and mechanical spiders are unrealistic -- in fact there was a YouTube video I watched once of a mechanical spider vehicle that someone showed off at a Burning Man festival, though I believe it was internal-combustion powered, not steam. And we all know that airships are real, just not necessarily in the same condition and sophistication we might see in a steampunk world (I mean, the propeller and lighter-than-air technology are only capable of so much, as we know them). For me, the more believable and plausible, the better, but there are definitely times when you must turn a blind eye to avoid breaking the illusion (in media terms, I believe they call this "suspension of disbelief" when you forget that something is fictional, or even impossible, while being entertained). I probably shouldn't be putting a damper on everyone's fun though. sweatdrop Actualy there WAS a steam powered flying machine. I can't remeber the exact details but I believe that it was a modified model of a steam carrage that actualy achived lift off at and flew for about 100 meters at an altitude of somewhere between 1-10 meters (i think) From what I remember this predates the Wright brothers (who had the first powered, MANNED, flight) Not only did it fly but it was also heavier then air, so potentualy adding a steam blimp is possible.
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