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Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:08 pm
Okay, I've heard some things throughout the guild that everyone's name means a different thing in Kingdom Hearts. Well, at least Sora, Riku, and Kairi's names mean something. As far as I've heard. Anyway, Sora's name is supposed to mean sky, Riku's is ground, and Kairi means seperation between something (Sora=sky, Riku=ground). So, do you think that the game producers did that on purpose? Or was it just by chance? My thoughts: Well, I believe that Kairi is a seperation between Riku and Sora because they were so much better off without her, rant, rant, rant. She's like a distraction, kinda like how people always look out toward to horizon, or far out; waiting for what's out there. That's exactly what Kairi did. She tore Sora and Riku's attention away from each other (or something..I dunno) and made them focus on wanting to go to other worlds. So, basically, she's where ground meets sky. So maybe it could even go into something like Riku and Sora are forbidden to be together and they need to have Kairi in between them for a challenge in the story line, or the main bump in the road to get over.
I guess you could call this a mini-debate board. Sure, why not. I'd really like to hear your opinions on this matter/topic/thingy.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:51 pm
Well, I was browsing around trying to figure out what Kairi's name actually meant when I came across this. I forget the site I got it from though. ^^;
"Sora, Riku, and Kairi are named after the three primary elements of nature. In Japanese, riku means 'land', kai means 'ocean', and sora means 'sky'. the name Kairi could originate from the Japanese word "hikari", which means light, because she is the only untainted main character."
I don't know if this holds any truth but it seems logical. I'm not sure about the untainted part though. She is a princess of heart and does save Sora when he was a heartless, but Kairi doesn't strike me as completely innocent.
If Kairi's name partly means the ocean I can see the seperation. Riku is the land, Sora is the sky, and Kairi, the ocean, seperates these two. In the game you always see Riku looking off into the horizon. Or perhaps he's looking out towards the sea?Stion That's exactly what Kairi did. She tore Sora and Riku's attention away from each other (or something..I dunno) and made them focus on wanting to go to other worlds. Actually, it was Riku's idea to leave the islands. Kairi could've just been wound up in the two boys talk of leaving and just went along with it. However, it was because Kairi came there in the first place that Riku started to think of these thoughts of leaving. The seperation between Riku and Sora started when Kairi came to the islands.
Riku was always enthusiastic about leaving after that but Sora, in my opinion, was indifferent about the idea. In the beginning I got the feeling that Sora and Kairi thought this was another adventure where, in the end, they would return home again. When the door opened and when Sora finally realizes how determined Riku is to leave the islands he seemed shocked and confused to me. Think back to the part where Sora meets Riku for the last time on the islands.
Maybe one of the reasons Riku wanted to leave so bad was because of the islands themselves. They were small and surrounded by miles of ocean. Kairi=ocean. Therefore Riku hates Kairi. xDD My twisted logic.Stion So, basically, she's where ground meets sky. So maybe it could even go into something like Riku and Sora are forbidden to be together and they need to have Kairi in between them for a challenge in the story line, or the main bump in the road to get over. Kairi seems to be the divider between the two boys but clearly isn't a "bump in the road" to get past. Kairi will always be there...the ocean will always be there if you want to look at it that way. But the ocean isn't everywhere, whereas the sky and land meet often. Now that Kairi is back on the islands and Sora is out looking for Riku there will be no "Kairi" to get in the way so to say. If any sort of "romantic" relationship is to form, it'll happen when there's an absense of ocean and when only the land meets the sky.
I hope I made the least bit of sense. :'D
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:46 pm
*nods enthusiastically while reading kupo-tenshi's post* Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. *applauds* Everything you said made perfect sense.
Let me offer up some more food for thought.
I was messing around with my downloaded English to Japanese to English translator, and I found that:
1. The word 'kairiku' means 'land and sea'. I guess this one makes sense if Kairi's name does come from the Japanese symbol meaning 'ocean', but...the way that word is formed...Is it just me or does that look an awful lot like how the pairing Kairi/Riku would be written? *left eye twitches*
2. On a (much) lighter note, the same translator told me that the word 'soriku' means 'land and air forces'. Hmmm...Does that mean that Riku and Sora will soon be allies in the quest to rid the worlds of Heartless/darkness/Nobodies/whatever the hell they have to defeat in KH2? Lol, one can only hope.
3. On an even lighter note, my translator (and believe me, I love this cheap application for this little translation), told me that the word 'kairi' can also mean 'beaver'. Now, I have no idea if this is true or not, but...I happen to find it ******** hilarious! rofl heart
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:37 pm
Of course it is! heart Beaver... Serves her right.
I think it makes absolute sense, and I whole-heartly agree with it all. She HAS been dividing them, hasn't she...? cry
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:24 pm
I see why you put beaver in your post on the 'Kairi Bashing' thread, Torrina. wink
kupo-tenshi - Paragraph 2 and 3 - I agree with your 'untainted' theory. She has definately carried hell in her handbasket. Paragraph 4 - I hope Riku isn't looking out toward to ocean! gonk He needs to be looking at Sora! Paragraph 5 - Well, I meant that they never really started thinking about leaving until Kairi came and showed them that there really was something else out there besides their island. I believe if she didn't come then the boys would have been all hunky-dorey on the island by themselves. THEMSELVES! Paragraph 6 - Yeah. He did seem like it made no difference as I look back... Maybe Kairi didn't want to see her home again...( My theory is that Ansem is her daddy ) Paragraph 7 - Yeah, he did want to leave the islands ( I dunno if this is just my inference or whatever, but I think that's right sweatdrop ). Twisted, but it makes sense completely. Paragraph 8 - I guess I'm just a hopeful. In reality, if we all get out of our yaoi prone minds, it really isn't all that likely that Riku and Sora will become a couple. Whenever I think this, I just whack myself right upside the head and say I shouldn't be thinking these hideous things. But ya know, I like to dream. It candy-coats things.
Sorry if I just ruined a couple people's perfect worlds. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:45 pm
Yes...ever notice their name's meaning resonate with them? sora means sky, and usually the sky is blue...so are his eyes. And he has brown hair, a color associated with land, possibly meaning he is somehow connected to Riku. Rikumeans land of course most people view his eyes as green, what most land associates with...the color green. And his hair is white, the color of clouds. Get my meaning? Clouds are in the sky. TeeHee... *dirty thoughts* Of course Kairis the ugly oddball so her eyes deserve to get gouged out...but she has blue ones none the less...DX Since someone here previously said it was because she was the ocean, thats why....unless it has dirty water....*thinks about it* Ewwww, Kairis a dirty person.... (BTW, I saw that Commercial on Channel one with the chick who voiced Kairi, for the skin problems....LOL)
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:26 pm
Ooh...That's interesting...I'll have to keep that one in mind. whee heart
Hmmm...Kairi has auburn hair and indigo eyes...The colors of the sunset, perhaps? And sunset is when light changes to darkness...*gasp* More evidence that Kairi's the one who drove Riku to ally himself with the darknes? O:
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:35 pm
There are many different positions Kairi could be when you think about it. In general, I prefer to remain neutral on Kairi's role in all this, because each idea has it's own points.
The idea that she's "seperation" makes a lot of sence, and seems to be the generally accepted theory.
The idea that she's the ocean is also good, but holds a bit less substance - what I mean is that though we see obvious conection with land and air with Riku and Sora, Kairi seems... She just doesn't make me think of the ocean. Also, remember Sora's whole "falling" thing/the tsunami? Maybe it means that he's decending to meet the earth - but get's caught in the ocean, and even though he tries to fight it, he is litterally torn away from Riku.
The Kairi-is-evil-and-that's-all-there-is-to-it theory doesn't seem very fair to me at all. As far as I can tell, Riku is using her as a sort of... anti-Sora, to ward off his emotions (I'm experienced with homo-denile situations, so this seems plausable - especially with Riku). The way Sora seems to feel towards her seems sister-brother like, though... though I do DEFFINITLY see a MUCH stronger connection between Sora and Riku, there is some vauge hints of a small, pinkish affection between the two. Then again, that happens all the time - girl meets unusually nice guy, goes out with him... and then it turns out that he's gay. Heh.
I may have left some theory's out... Yes, I know I did, but I can't remember which... neutral
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:14 pm
Scathach13 Also, remember Sora's whole "falling" thing/the tsunami? Maybe it means that he's decending to meet the earth - but get's caught in the ocean, and even though he tries to fight it, he is litterally torn away from Riku.
Ooh, I like that...Geez, the evidence against her just seems to pile up, doesn't it? xd ;; <3
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:10 pm
It's really kinda sad, isn't it? sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:14 pm
It's almost like Sqaure /wanted/ us to hate her. O_o
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:38 pm
Haha, yeah it does seem that way, doesn't it? xd
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 8:40 pm
It's because they WANTED Sora and Riku to be together, but disney (may they burn for it) wouldn't let them. Probably, anyway. The Japanese actually have quite a history in terms of male/male relationships - take the samurai, for example. It wasn't all that unusual for men to sleep with other men, while away on missions away from home (and their wives).
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:28 am
Yes, they did. whee Damn you, Disney! stressed
Lol. Anyway, yeah, that's true. Actually, male/male relationships were pretty common throughout all of history. Look at Alexander the Great, for example. To this day, rumors fly around about whether or not his companion Hephaestion was just a friend, or something more. X3
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:55 pm
Yup.
(what an eloquent responce... sweatdrop )
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