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 Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:33 pm
Turn Coat
(From Jim's website)
Turn Coat
Book 11 of the Dresden Files
The Warden Morgan has been accused of treason against the Wizards of the White Council--and there's only one, final punishment for that crime. He's on the run, wants his name cleared, and needs someone with a knack for backing the underdog. Someone like Harry Dresden.
Now, Harry must uncover a traitor within the Council, keep a less-than-agreeable Morgan under wraps, and avoid coming under scrutiny himself. And a single mistake may cost someone his head--someone like Harry.
(From the front cover of the book)
When it comes to the magical ruling body known as the White Council, Harry keeps his nose clean and his head down. For years, the Council has held a death mark over Harry's head. He's still thought of as a black sheep by some-- and as a sacrificial lamb by others. But none regard him with more suspicion and desdain than Morgan, a veteran Warden with a grudge against anyone who bends the rules.
Like Harry.
So when Morgan turns up asking for help, Harry isn't exactly eager to leap into action. Morgan has been accused of treason against the White Council-- and there's only one punishment for that crime. He's on the run, wants his name cleared, and he needs some one with a knack for backing the underdog.
Like Harry.
Now Harry must uncover a traitor within the Council, keep a less than agreeable Morgan under wraps, and avoid comming under scrutiny himself. And a single mistake may cost someone his head.
Like Harry...
[Pic here at some point]
It should be obvious but expect spoliers here. Except a lot.
DON'T READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHO THE TRAITOR IS.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:39 pm
Page stretch to avoid accidental spoiler
Peabody!!!!!
Did anyone see that comming besides me? Okay, I only saw it comming about fifty pages before it happened (that whole scene with Harry getting the file made me think it might be him but more in a passing way).
I think Butcher pulled that out of his butt. There was no indication in any of the other books that it would be him, Harry never even considered him a possibility. He made up a lot of stuff in this book I think.
It worked though.
There is a lot to discuss so I'll save my observations until after there is another post or two. Although I have to ask, did anyone else find the jerky nature of the first 300 or so pages annoying and unlike the previous books? I think in the previous ten there were maybe 20 line breaks in the middle of chapters, in this one there was like thirty. I don't know, until he reached the island right before the final show down the flow was jerky and not smooth like previously.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:18 pm
I suspected Peabody pretty early on in this book from the interactions he was having with the members of the Senior Council. Something just seemed off, they were just a little too quick to sign his forms.
Honestly, I didn't notice that myself. But that's just me.
I like how Morgan went. I really liked the last few things he said to Harry. As close to an appology as he could make in that sitation. The way things fell out between Harry and Anastasia was a real downer though.
Other highlights off the top of my head: The "That's doctor smart a** to you." exchange with the secuirty guard. Morgan's, ah, appreation for Molly when she went out to gather intel from the private eye. Toot. Toot just rocked as always! Other's will come to me as I think about it more I'm sure.
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:04 pm
Poor toot, he dang near died all in the pursuit of pizza.
Yeah, it was his interaction (peabody's) with both the council and Harry when he came after the forms. But other than that, no indication what so ever. It was almost a... cop out maybe? He could have picked anyone else but he picked a wizard whose name was mentioned maybe three times in the entire book.
Is Indian Jo really just a wizard? 'cause harry always talked about human transformations as dangerous and extremely difficult, didn't he say it would destory a guy's mind (in the second book) if not properly insulated the way those wolf pelts insulated the FBI guy's minds? It wouldn't surprise me to discover that he was a nolostiga/ skin walker guy.
Moragn's love of Luccio was another a** pull. It worked of course but I don't know, it seemed like Butcher pulled a lot of things out of his a** to do this book. Maybe he just did it because he didn't pull off these things before in the previous books. I don't know.
Butcher still rocks!
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:44 pm
I think that would be "the noble pursuit of pizza" wouldn't it?
I torn between cop out or set up. There are hints in this book that the Black Council has more then one agent in the White Council, or at the least, has made overtures towards several members. While it's still a bit weak to have it play out like that, it's not the obvious Merlin betrayal, or the heart breaking Ebenezer betrayal, or the "really, him/her?" from any of the other senior council. Besides, the fall out from the bureaucrat betraying them could actually be kinda far flung and/or amusing. I have to admit, it does seem much more cop out though.
Well, everyone has a talent. And it's something that's a part of his culture, so that might help insulate his mind and personality for shapeshifting.
I don't know, I think it's more just an echo of the relationship between Dresden and Molly. Another thing in common in a weird way maybe? It could be a set up for something else though. And remember how freaked out Morgan got when Dresden "killed" Luccio back in Dead Beat. It wasn't a little upset, it was blinding, maddening, rage at that.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:34 pm
That is true, about Morgan's reaction to Harry 'killing' Luccio in Dead Beat.
Speaking of Luccio, poor girl. Now Harry's never going to get his Warden Sword.
He had better make someone else a trator, someone that gets brought into Ebenzard's Grey Council so that he screws them both. 'Cause if he doesn't I'll be extremely disapointed in the series overall.
Why wasn't Micheal mentioned? I mean aside from a short sentence or two and Harry telling molly to go running to her dad should he die, Micheal wasn't talked about. It could have been a HUGE scource of guilt for Harry espically since he was going back out to Demonreach where it happened.
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:14 pm
Peabody was predictable, I agree. Overall I liked the book, until we found out that Harry's relationship with Ana was all just a lie. I really didn't understand her whole break up speech with him. The way she kept going on and on made it seem like she really did not want to break up with him, but felt she had to. It was just irratating. He finally gets a romantic interest after how long (?!) and for this to happen just blows. It's like will Harry ever be happy? Also the whole deal with Thomas pissed me off. The whole ending was completely depressing.
I guess with this book Butcher was trying to hit home that the White Court Vamps really are not human, in any sense of the word. The whole Lara eating Madeline was....yuck. Did any one get the line, "This is what I've wanted to do to you since we were children?"
I love toot-toot. I was so scared that the skinwalker had killed him. I yelled "NOOOOOO!" and almost cried. Thank god he didn't. Him getting the promotion was cute.
Yeah I agree with the Michael thing. Harry is a guy who carrys alot of guilt so it was weird that he was not mentioned at all when Harry went to the island.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:23 pm
Pin-Up Goblin Peabody was predictable, I agree. Overall I liked the book, until we found out that Harry's relationship with Ana was all just a lie. I really didn't understand her whole break up speech with him. The way she kept going on and on made it seem like she really did not want to break up with him, but felt she had to. It was just irritating. He finally gets a romantic interest after how long (?!) and for this to happen just blows. It's like will Harry ever be happy? Also the whole deal with Thomas pissed me off. The whole ending was completely depressing. I guess with this book Butcher was trying to hit home that the White Court Vamps really are not human, in any sense of the word. The whole Lara eating Madeline was....yuck. Did any one get the line, "This is what I've wanted to do to you since we were children?" I love toot-toot. I was so scared that the skinwalker had killed him. I yelled "NOOOOOO!" and almost cried. Thank god he didn't. Him getting the promotion was cute. Yeah I agree with the Michael thing. Harry is a guy who carrys alot of guilt so it was weird that he was not mentioned at all when Harry went to the island. I pretty much agree with what you have said. I am wondering what will happen with Morgan's Warden Sword. I was disappointed beyond saying Michael was "crippled" (I don't like the use of that word), that there was no real news on that front nor with the disposition of the "holy" swords, poor Sanya.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:19 pm
Bets on whether or not harry gets Morgan;s sword?
I think one of two things will happen, 1) (and the most likely given the amount of commentation on Micehal *sigh*); the sword will never be mentioned again.
Or 2) it will be retired with morgan. given that the world still sees morgan as a traitor, there won't be any sort of memorial service for the sword as there might have been had he died in a battle as a hero.
Harry is never going to get a Warden Sword and the Holly Swords thread won't be completed until the last books in the series.
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:47 pm
@ Dragonhater: I'm sure Luccio gave him a "warden sword" plenty of... oh, wait, I bet you don't mean it like that. Never mind. mrgreen Oh, and remember, Michael is only really mentioned about every other book or so. And there's a short story out there that deals with how Michael is now doing. Wikipedia As of the short story "The Warrior" (released in the anthology Mean Streets), Michael is is starting to function better, despite his newly acquired limp and impaired vision in one eye. Harry tried to convince Michael of taking up the sword again but Michael has decided to never pick it up again and made Harry understand. Michael now is finally back to running his construction company and is coaching Alisha's softball team. Despite the fact that he no longer wields one of the swords, Harry was assured by Uriel that Michael is still doing good work.) While I agree that a bit more mention in this book would have been GREAT, the story is out there at least... @Pin-Up Gob: Of course she didn't "want to" just like she "wanted to" be in a relationship with him in the first place. She was mind raped into it. Peabody crawled into her brain, ******** her free will, and all but made her start a relationship with Harry. These effects were still there when she broke up with him. Of course she didn't want to, she was still programmed into wanting to be with him. The Thomas thing has been coming for awhile. Read Backup if you want to see more proof of this (and it's a good read). Besides, this sets up for a lot of new ways Thomas can go, including the hard road to redemption or the slippery slide into major villain. Also, Lara and Madeline? I personally thought that was awesome. Reminds you again (as if how the skin walker "fixed" Thomas wasn't proof enough) how monstrous all the vampires are. Especially the "This is what I've wanted to do to you since we were children." line. Hot! blaugh "The White Court: We're just as crazy inhuman as you other courts, we just have boat loads more hot, empty, sex!" (There's a motivational poster in there, I just know it!) Morgans Sword: My guess is destroyed or buried with him. Each sword is made specifically for the Warden, as Luccio explained in the book previous. So, even if Harry did call dibbs on his sword, it wouldn't do him any good. Remember, they've had a lot of Warden's dieing of late, if it was simply a matter of passing along a blade, then Harry would have had one books ago. It's not. It has to be made for him. And I don't doubt that Luccio (who likes Harry, all conditioning and brain raping aside), will make one for him as soon as she's able. As for the Holy Swords, Butcher said he hasn't forgotten about them. My money is on "Gentleman" Johnny Marcone getting Fidelacchius (or, hell's bell's, maybe Amoracchius). I still think Murph is going to pick up one of them too. And if not, Butters. Totally Butters for Amoracchius. But regardless, Harry will get his Warden's sword at the most dramatically appropriate moment. The Holy Swords will find new hands to wield them at the same rate. That could be book 13, or book 21. Hell, it might never happen. I think it'd be kinda cool to leave the stories with Harry still looking after Excalibur, waiting for the right person to claim it.
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:14 am
@Sprainogre; As Harry said, "...we have wild mokey sex to our mutual satasifiaction..." mrgreen
Oh, so there was a hint about Morgan's love of Luccio, in the scene where Molly goes and talks to that PI, Morgan's words about what a woman can make a man do made me think of his love of Luccio. But that was extremely subtle stuff. Had I not already read the book I would never have noticed it.
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:36 pm
I caught that one too. Tied into his motivation really well in the end.
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Shade Anam Nightsbane Captain
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:45 am
i wonder what royal line murph is with
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